When Nobody's Watching

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Honest, tension-led conversations about what people really do once the security training's finished and nobody's looking. From The Cyber Escape Room Co., hosted by Amy Stokes-Waters. New episodes every fortnight.

Episodes

  1. 5 Aug

    "Blame is What Causes Incidents" | The CISO, with Kieren Lovell

    Kieren Lovell has spent four careers watching people under real pressure: two years on nuclear submarines, mine disposal, setting up the cyber warfare division at the Norwegian Navy's frigate training centre, hunting pirates off Somalia, running computer emergency response at the University of Cambridge, and now the CISO chair at Pragmatic Solutions.So when he says the industry measures the wrong things, it lands differently.He refuses to run phishing simulations, even though every board asks for them. He thinks most tabletop exercises are discussion workshops with a slide deck. And when Amy asks who's accountable if the next breach turns out to be behavioural, his answer is two words: always me.In this episode: • Why a click rate is set by whoever writes the email, so what you're really measuring is the security team's grammar• "We do the plastic metrics instead" — the command, control and leadership measures nobody collects• The military rehearses little and often: fire, flood, famine, every day. Cyber trains people for before an incident and never for during one• Labelling theory, explained via a 14-year-old boy, and why a wall of shame kills your reporting culture• The incident he had no playbook for• Why a ridiculous scenario can beat a realistic one• What he actually puts in front of his board, and what he refuses to• Fix It in 60: we hand him a real board update slide and give him 60 secondsRead the write-up and watch the clips: whennobodyswatching.co.ukWhen Nobody's Watching is the podcast about what people actually do once the security training's finished, hosted by Amy Stokes-Waters. New episodes fortnightly.Made by The Cyber Escape Room Co., a behaviour change company: cyberescaperoom.co

    "Blame is What Causes Incidents" | The CISO, with Kieren Lovell

  2. 20 July

    "I've Clicked on My Own Simulation" | The Insider, with Holly-Jane Grayling

    "I've clicked on my own simulation before." Holly-Jane Grayling builds security awareness and culture for a living. She still got caught by her own phishing test. Rushed, mid-task, chased to finish her mandatory training. Because no one is immune, and that's exactly the point. In Episode 1: The Insider, Amy Stokes-Waters sits down with someone who's spent over a decade on why people do what they do, for an honest, no-gotchas conversation about the gap between what security training says and what people actually do once the module's closed and nobody's looking. In this episode: Why "people are the weakest link" is nonsense, and what they really areDesigning for perfect conditions vs what happens in the real worldWhy 99.9% of the time it isn't a training needCompliance as a starting line, not a finish lineMeasuring behaviour change, not completion ratesThe one word that makes everyone's brain switch off Plus the first ever Fix It in 60: Holly gets 60 seconds to fix a real piece of security content, live, on instinct. More info: whennobodyswatching.co.ukConnect with Holly: Holly's LinkedIn When Nobody's Watching is a video podcast from The Cyber Escape Room Co., hosted by Amy Stokes-Waters. New episodes every fortnight.

    "I've Clicked on My Own Simulation" | The Insider, with Holly-Jane Grayling
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Honest, tension-led conversations about what people really do once the security training's finished and nobody's looking. From The Cyber Escape Room Co., hosted by Amy Stokes-Waters. New episodes every fortnight.

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  • Creator
    The Cyber Escape Room Co.
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    2
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © The Cyber Escape Room Co.
  • Show Website
    When Nobody's Watching