What if the person inspiring the room didn't come from a polished finance background at all, but from payday loans, being unbanked, a credit score in the 500s, and the kind of rock bottom most FI stories rarely admit out loud? In this on-location episode from Madison, WI, Jackie sits down with Afra Smith, founder of The Melanin Project and creator of the Wealth Empowerment Conference, for a conversation that is as honest as it gets. She's a late-starter and shares how depression, financial chaos, and a painful career setback forced her to finally confront what wasn't working. She shares how one financial coach, one budget, and one decision to stop waiting for someone else to rescue her changed the direction of her life. From there, she built something much bigger than a comeback story. It's now a growing movement centered on financial wellness, lived experience, and giving people the tools to rebuild from where they actually are. Her raw truth is proof that your hardest chapter does not have to be your final one. This episode covers: Afra's journey from payday loans, ChexSystems, and depression to financial stability The career disappointment that became her wake-up call How one financial coach and a basic budget started her turnaround Why financial struggles in underserved communities are often deeper than "just spend less" The origin of The Melanin Project and the Wealth Empowerment Conference Why lived experience and emotional honesty matter in financial education The link between mental health, physical health, and wealth-building How Afra built a meaningful community event while still working a full-time job Why consumption habits and appearances can distort how we judge wealth and value What it looks like to turn pain into service and purpose . === SUPPORT THE SHOW === 📩 Sign up for our newsletter 🌐 Visit Catching Up to FI website 🔗Connect with us ☕ Like what you hear on Catching Up to FI? Support the show at "Buy Me a Coffee" 🎙️We love hearing from you! Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question Record a Voice Message with your feedback or question . ===DEALS & DISCOUNTS FROM OUR TRUSTED PARTNERS=== F.I.R.E. For Dummies Did you know that co-host Jackie Cummings Koski, CFP®, AFC® is also author of "F.I.R.E. For Dummies"? This is the perfect guide for anyone looking to move from the basics of their finances to reaching F.I.R.E. (Financial Independence, Retire Early) and enjoying the time freedom it creates. Even if you feel behind on your finances, the steps in this book will help you catch up sooner than you ever imagined. Learn from someone who actually achieved F.I.R.E. in her 40s even after getting a late start Covers everything from basics to advanced strategies in one guide Practical solutions for early retirement obstacles like health insurance and early withdrawal penalties 📕 Get Your Copy (currently 40% off on Amazon) For a full list of current deals and discounts from our partners, sponsors and affiliates, click here: catchinguptofi.com/our-partners . RESOURCES MENTIONED ON THE SHOW The Melanin Project TrueStage CLIMB USA (Bob Wynn) Madison Gas and Electric Company Summit Credit Union ⏰ Related Episodes From Poverty to Wealth and Early Retirement | Jackie Cummings Koski | 007 We Found Them! Past Guests At The Women of FI Weekend | Kim H. and Lisa B. | 218 . 📌Disclaimer: Our content is for general education and information purposes only. We are not providing financial, legal, or tax advice. Always do your own research or consult a professional before making important decisions.
