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Jen Gale

The home of easy, everyday sustainability for the #imperfectlygreen

  1. 2 HR AGO

    [190] – The Big Plastic Count (join in!) with Daniel Webb from Everyday Plastic

    Today we are diving into all things plastic, and specifically counting plastic with Daniel Webb, founder of Everyday Plastic and the drive behind The Big Plastic Count. Longer term listeners might have noticed that I am mildy obsessed with people's back stories and one of my first questions is always 'how did you get here'. I'm genuinely fascinated to hear the journey that people go on to get to the point they're at, and Dan has the most amazing back story..! And it's not just Dan's back story that is super interesting, there's loads of stats and facts in this chat about plastic, and the thorny issue that it has become, not only in terms of it's environmental impacts, but in terms of health, and also social justice. It's a brilliant chat - I hope you enjoy it. And there's a very clear call to action at the end, which, spoiler alert, is to sign up for the Big Plastic Count, and get all your friends and colleagues to as well! Daniel Webb LISTEN... USEFUL LINKS: Everyday Plastic - Website - The Everyday Plastic Mural - The Hard Truth About Soft PlasticThe Big Plastic Count - Website - Sign up - For Schools - Instagram - FacebookBlue Planet 2Plastic Free JulyRecoupWholly Shrink soft plastic compactorHow do microplastics in our bodies affect our health?Plastic Free CommunitiesPlastic Free Schools The Everyday Plastic Mural Sign up to The Big Plastic Count and get counting! Let me know how you get on. […]

    57 min
  2. 6 FEB

    [189] – Climate Fresk (and friends) with Ash Goddard

    Could you really explain climate change to your kids, or to your nana if you needed to? By and large, I think the vast majority of people are aware of climate change, understand that it means the planet is warming and that it's bad, but if pushed for detail beyond that, we might struggle. Climate Fresk is an interactive card based workshop that invites participants to uncover the science of climate change and it's impacts, by working together, and then holds a space to unpack some of the emotions that might come with this new understanding, and then moving on to look at solutions and things we can do. It's a concept that started in France, and has now had over 2.3million participants worldwide, and what I really like about it is that we can all get involved. You can join a workshop online, or there might be one happening in person locally to you, and then you can quickly move on to becoming a facilitator and delivering the workshop in your own community or workplace. In today’s episode I’m chatting to Ash Goddard from Climate Clarity who is one of the most experienced Fresk facilitators in the UK, who also facilitates a whole host of related workshops such as the Biodiversity Collage, and the Adapting to Climate Change workshop. I've been lucky enough to attend a couple of Ash's workshops, and he is a brilliant facilitator -who makes it look easy. And while we might not all be able to be as good as Ash, at least not straightaway, I love the fact that anyone can start to deliver the Fresk in their own communities, schools or workplaces pretty quickly, and I hope that maybe a few people who listen in to this episode might be tempted to join a Climate Fresk, and then even take the next steps to spread the knowledge to people they know. Ash Goddard LISTEN... USEFUL LINKS: Climate Clarity - Website - Workshops - Events - Facebook - Instagram Climate Fresk - Website - Find a workshop - Become a facilitator - Facebook - InstagramIPCC reportsDigital CollageBiodiversity CollageAdapting to climate change CollagePlanetary Boundaries FrescoFind a FreskWorkshops for the planet Are you going to do a bit of investigating into your money, and your current accounts and savings after listening? Or have you already moved your money? Do let me know! […]

    51 min
  3. 30 JAN

    [188] Money, money, money! With Lisa Stanley-Mann

    Money makes the world go around, or so the saying goes. But did you know that YOUR money, might be making fossil fuel companies go round (aka fund them!), without you knowing? Do you want a few bonkers stats? - The “Big 5” UK high-street banks – Barclays, HSBC, Santander, Lloyds andNatWest – have financed the fossil fuel industry with more than $556 billion between 2016 and 2023 (1) - In 2023 alone, they provided $55 billion to fossil fuel companies (1). - For every £10 you put into your pension, £2 is invested in deforestation (2). In today’s episode I’m chatting to Lisa Stanley-Mann, from Good with Money. We dive into all things money, and more specifically, the power of our money, and what it might be being used for when we think it’s all tucked up nice and safe and innocently in our bank accounts or pensions. I was convinced that Lisa had been on the podcast before, but I scrolled back through the archives and couldn’t see an episode, someone please correct me if I’m wrong! But Lisa and I have previously chatted ‘off air’ quite some time ago as it turns out, when I hosted some podcasts for Good With Money – we got chatting about the 2016 craze that is/was sweeping the internet at the time of recording, and that I was blissfully unwaware of as I’m not cool enough! Inevitably I hopped straight onto the bandwagon pretty much as soon as my call with Lisa ended, and if you’re in any way interested (it’s genuinely not that interesting, so I won’t be offended if you’re not!), I did my own 2016 post – I’ll pop a link to it below if you want to have a nose. PS. We should have said this in the chat, but hopefully it's blindingly obvious that I'm not a financial advisor, and Lisa isn't either! Do take proper professional advice before moving your money. References: (1) https://makemymoneymatter.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Banking-Guide-2025.pdf (2) https://makemymoneymatter.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Green-Pensions-Guide-2025.pdf Lisa Stanley-Mann LISTEN... USEFUL LINKS: Good With Money - Website - Instagram - Facebook - The Good Egg accreditation - The Good Guides - The Good ListsMake My Money Matter - E-mail template to email your employer about their pension providerBank TrackPension BeeZeroRelated podcast episodes from the archives: - [015] - Money as a Force for Good with Triodos Bank - [091] - Make My Pension Matter - with Make My Money Matter - [169] - How green is your money - with Dan Sherrard-Smith from MothertreeBank.GreenEthical ConsumerB-CorpNaturesaveMy 2016 post on Instagram Are you going to do a bit of investigating into your money, and your current accounts and savings after listening? Or have you already moved your money? Do let me know! […]

    1h 5m
  4. 24 JAN

    [187] No Crap Parties with Charlotte Mason-Curl

    In this episode, I'm chatting to Charlotte Mason-Curl, who is the founder of No Crap Parties and the Kids Party Pact campaign. Charlotte has a background in marketing and comms, and not only does this help to explain how she's done such a bloody great job with getting her message out there, also means she's written herself a really good bio. I had to write myself a bio when The Sustainable(ish) Living Guide was published, and I found it really cringe-inducingly difficult, but Charlotte's done a fab job, so I'm just going to copy and paste her words as an intro: Charlotte Mason-Curl is a marketing and comms consultant and the person behind The Kids Party Pact. She believes children’s parties are overlooked as a place to spark change. What started as a few Instagram posts has grown into a campaign that’s reached millions of parents. Thousands have now changed how they approach gifts and party bags, sending ripples through their communities. The campaign has secured National Lottery funding and featured in The Times, BBC Newsround, Positive News and more. With 13 years of marketing experience and a sharp understanding of behaviour change, Charlotte builds campaigns that cut through. Powered by strategy, creativity, and a fierce commitment to leaving the world less of a mess for her kids. How is that for kick-ass! In the first episode of the re-boot, I dived into the debate around individual change vs system change, and how it can feel really hard as an individual to feel like you can change 'the system;,whatever that really is, and what it means. And then in the last episode I was chtting to the fabulous Nick Oldridge who is going all out for getting MPs on board with the urgency of aciton on the climate crisis, to effect system change from the government, which is ultaimtely what is needed. But for systems to change, we need people to recognise where things are broken, and to do something differently, which starts to shift social norms. This is somethign that Charlotte is doing brilliantly. She saw that not only was there an issue around kids parties in terms of plastic tat, and waste, and ultiamtely I guess, excessive consumptiuon, but that most parents aren't really that comfortable with it, but well feel like everyone else must be on baord with it, so we don't say anything.  Charlotte says at one point in the podcast, that it's 'just a few party bags', but it's absolutely not. What Charlotte has done, really cleverly, is tapped into her knowledge of behaviour change and comms, and utilised it brilliantly, to help make it really visible that it's not just you, and that you're not alone, and that thousands of other parents would love to do kids parties differently.   And if you're not a parent, or if your kids are out of the party phase, there is still so much in this episode for you - so much of what Charlotte has done can (and should be!) applied to other campaigns and movements, so while you're listening have a think about what social norm you would love to challenge, and what you might be able to replicate from what Charlotte is doing.  Enjoy! Charlotte Mason-Curl LISTEN... USEFUL LINKS: No Crap Parties - Website - Instagram - Facebook - Sign the Kids Party Pact - Email templates to share the Party Pact - Sustainable Party Bag alternatives - How to host a toy swapParty Kit Network - Podcast ep with Isabel Mack - founder of The Party Kit Network If you've got young kids, have you signed the Pact? What are your plans for the next kids party in your household? Do let me know! […]

    1h 1m
  5. 24 JAN

    [186] The National Emergency Briefing with Nick Oldridge

    In this episode, I'm chatting to Nick Oldridge, founder of Climate Science Breakthrough, and co-founder of the National Emergency Briefing. What Nick has done with both of those projects, as you will here, is incredible, but I'm also really fascinated in his back story and his journey to where he is now (side note, really think I need to do an episode on insurance as a lever for climate action!). I ummed and ahhed about whether to publish this episode so early in the re-launch, as (spoiler alert) some of it is pretty bleak, almost right out of the gate. I'm a big fan of focussing on action and the things that we can do, and I'm very aware that confronting the reality of where we are can be overwhelming and paralysing. However, as Nick says, I think it's important that we don't hide from that reality, and that we find a way to channel our anxiety into action, and use it as motivation to keep taking the next steps.  The Climate Science Breakthrough videos are brilliant - I've linked to them all below. They're all just 4 or 5 minutes long, and do that really clever thing where they're delivering a pretty brutal message, but somehow making you laugh at the same time.  The National Emergency Briefing videos are now all online - I'm working up the courage to watch them if I'm totally honest, and trying to figure out a way to maybe host a 'watch party' so we can all be in it together. If you're interested in that, let me know! I do think it's important that the videos are watched and shared and that we all understand quite what is at stake. But even more important I think, is that the Briefings result in action, ideally from the Government, but we 'ordinary people' will need to take action to make that happen. I've linked below to the Take Action page, the good news is that all of them can be done from the sofa!  In the first episode of this podcast reboot, I dived in a little bit into the individual change vs system change debate. And as an individual, system change often feels like this nebulous thing that we agree needs to happen, but that we're not quite sure how that happens, or the role that we can play. The National Emergency Briefing is a route to system change, and gives us really clear ways that we as individuals can get involved. And as I said, they're not big asks, doing all of them would take less than 10 minutes and you don't even need to leave your house. And in the podcast, Nick shares that apparently once MPs receive around 20 emails (from different people!) on the same subject, it makes them start to sit up and pay a bit more attention. That number feels do-able - how many people do you know local to you, who you might be able to encourage to send your MP an email? Finally, a quick mention of the Crowdfunder, which at the time of this podcast dropping, is at over £70,000 and nearly halfway to the target. Frustratingly (but good news for the crowdfunder!) the cheaper rewards have all sold out, but that doesn't mean you still can't donate whatever amount you might feel able to. And as Nick says in the podcast, times are tight, and if you aren't able to donate, please do share it on your social feeds. Nick Oldridge LISTEN... USEFUL LINKS: Climate Science Breakthrough - Kiri Pritchard-McLean meets Prof Bill McGuire - Jonathon Pie meets Prof Joanna Haigh - Nish Kumar meets Prof Fredi Otto - Jo Brand meets Prof Mark Maslin - US version - David Cross meets Prof Michael OppenheimerNaturesaveHeat by George MonbiotThe Stern Review - the Economics of Climate ChangePlanet solvency: study by reseachers at the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries (IFoA) and the University of ExeterThe Utopia BureauAngus Rose podcastZero HourMP WatchNational Emergency Briefing - Take action - The videos on You TubeClimate OutreachLiquefied natural gas footprint is worse than coalThe People V Climate Change - doesn't seem to be currently available on iPlayer Your Brain on Climate - how to talk about the climate emergencyMPs underestimate support for climate policies - GuardianClimate Change: The Facts - David Attenborough documentaryRutger Bregman - Reith Lectures 2025 Have you watched any of the videos - either the Climate Science Breakthrough ones, or the National Emergency Briefing ones? What do you think of my idea of online watch parties. And most importantly, have you done any of the 5 things on the Take Action page of the National Emergency Briefing website? Do it now! […]

    1h 23m
  6. 12/04/2024

    [184] How to be more activist with Clover Hogan

    Hello and welcome to episode 184, and as it turns out, the last episode of the Sustainable(ish) podcast! I wanted to try and get to 200, and I’m annoyed not even to be ending on a nice round number like 185, but often in life things aren’t tied up in a nice neat bow. Long term listeners will know that at times the podcast has been very stop start, and the time has come for an intentional stop. For now at at least. I’m not going to say that it will never be back in some form, as I genuinely love having these conversations and will miss the opportunities that the podcast has given me to speak to so many extraordinary and inspiring people. However it’s reached the point where the joy of the conversations is starting to be outweighed by the work involved organising and scheduling everything, editing it all, creating the blog posts and the socials etc etc, so time to put this particular project to bed, for a while at least.  I am so delighted to be going out with such a bang and having the amazing opportunity to interview one of my absolute heroes, Clover Hogan. Clover is a 24-year-old climate activist and the founding Executive Director of Force of Nature - the youth non-profit mobilising mindsets for climate action. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, consulted within the boardrooms of Fortune 50 companies, and counselled heads of state. Her TED talk, 'What to do when climate change feels unstoppable', has been viewed 2 million times. As we’ll hear in the chat, she started her activist journey at the age of just 11, and attended the instrumental Paris COP in 2015 at the age of just 15. She genuinely is a force of nature, and is the kind of person who you just want to be able to download everything that is in their head. We talk about her own journey, what we can do as parents to support our young people, and what we can do ourselves to move beyond individual action and to be a bit more activist. We discuss what the word activist even means, acknowledging that it’s an uncomfortable word for many, but that it encompasses such a wide range of things, and that an ‘in’ for many people is thinking about their workplace and what they might be able to to do to encourage their workplace on a sustainability journey. I’m pretty sure it’s obvious from the chat, but this was a massive fan-girl moment for me,  I loved this chat and totally want Clover to be my new BFF. Ooh and just a quick warning if you tend to listen with kids around, I do drop an F-bomb towards the end – apologies in advance. Enjoy! Clover Hogan LISTEN... USEFUL LINKS: Clover Hogan - Website - Instagram - Linked In - You Tube - Twitter/XForces of Nature - Website - Instagram - Tiktok - Twitter/X - Linked In - Podcast - Season 1 - Season 2 - We need to talk about Eco Anxiety - Season 3 - Confessions of a climate activist - Climate CafesAn Inconvenient Truth by Al GoreExxon Mobil wants you to feel responsible for climate change so it doesn't have toKatharine HayhoeGlobal Action Plan - Bringing the values-perception gap to lifeGlobal Action Plan - United in compassionIt's Not That Radical - Mikaela Loach Carbon Literacy training Forces of Nature Forces of Nature podcast Has this episode sparked a few ideas for you? Or helped you to think a bit differently about what activism looks like for you? Do let me know in the comments, and I'd also love to hear about any of your own 'activism', big or small, do share! […]

    1h 6m
  7. 05/04/2024

    [183] Climate Comms that Lead to Action with Frank Holleman from Fork Ranger

    In the spirit of London buses, ie nothing for ages and then two come along in close succession, this week’s episode is another foodie one, hot on the heels of Episode 180 - Food and climate change without the hot air with Professor Sarah Bridle. I’m chatting to Frank Holleman who is the co-founder of Fork Ranger, a platform and app that aims to help us to explore how to eat for the climate. I was super aware of the recent food episode, and wanted to avoid simply repeating the same messages from that, so alongside diving into what Fork Ranger does, we also talked about climate communications, story telling and messaging, all of which Fork Ranger does incredibly well, and hopefully there’s a lot in this episode for all of us around how we talk about food and climate with friends, family and colleagues. Enjoy! Frank Holleman LISTEN... USEFUL LINKS: Fork Ranger - Website - Instagram - Linked In - You Tube - App - Frank on Linked InAn Inconvenient Truth by Al GoreProject Drawdown - Drawdown book - The powerful role of household actions in solving climate change[180] - Food and climate change without the hot airHooked by Nir EyalDon't even think about it by George MarshallDavid Foster-Wallace - This is water (commencement speech)Saving Us by Katharine Hayhoe Carbon Literacy trainingThe Sustainable(ish) Clubhouse I’d love to hear how you get on with the Fork Ranger app, any new facts you’ve learned, if you’ve tried out the recipes etc etc - do let me know below! […]

    1h 5m

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