Off Script

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Off Script is a podcast for the conversations we're often too quick to skip past. Hosted by Naina Madan and Elizabeth Kuiper, each episode slows down to sit with the questions that matter — about identity, society, work, mental health, and the world we're all navigating together. With curiosity, care, and a genuine openness to different perspectives, Naina and Elizabeth create space for guests to speak honestly — beyond the headlines, the polished answers, and the expected narratives. Because the most important conversations rarely happen on script.

  1. Season 2 Trailer

    AI won’t decide the future of work. The human advantage will with David Trimis

    AI won’t decide the future of work. The human advantage will. Naina Madan and Elizabeth Kuiper sit down with David Timis, author of The Human Advantage. David has seen this question from big tech, from intergovernmental institutions, and now from one of the world’s largest skilling and employment nonprofits. Instead of the usual blind optimism or blind panic, David calls himself a realistic optimist. AI brings real advantages and real dangers, and the outcome depends on the choices we make about how we use it, how we train people, and who gets to shape the technology. In this episode: What US jobs data can and can’t tell us about Europe. How we should rethink the value of different occupations, and how education needs to adapt. Whether Europe has the right guardrails, and how to stop control of AI concentrating in a few corporate hands. If you are thinking about what AI means for your work, your team, or the next generation entering the workforce, this one is for you. Full episode available on October 26!

    AI won’t decide the future of work. The human advantage will with David Trimis

  2. 15 Oct

    A conversation about technology, Europe, and the people brave enough to build in it - Gabriel Goldberg

    Gabriel Goldberg helped bring Google Ads to Belgium, scaled a company into a global acquisition, and now builds the next generation of Belgian founders through Hakacia and the Belgium Startup Awards. In this episode we go deep on AI. We challenge Gabriel on regulation, on what the EU should do to lead rather than follow, and on whether Europe can build an open, interoperable AI ecosystem on its own values. Then we turn to the human side of building: what it costs, what he has learned across an acquisition and several ventures, and why, in his words, you have to be slightly crazy to be an entrepreneur. Keep listening, keep questioning.

    A conversation about technology, Europe, and the people brave enough to build in it - Gabriel Goldberg

  3. Season 2 Trailer

    You use the tools he helped build - Gabriel Goldberg

    From Google, to a global exit, to building Belgium's next founders. We asked him where AI takes us next, and challenged him on topics he equally pushed back on. Coming soon to Off Script.

    You use the tools he helped build - Gabriel Goldberg

  4. 1 Oct

    From Albania to the Brussels Parliament.

    Picture an eight-year-old girl landing in Brussels from Albania, not speaking the language, with no seat at any table in sight. Now picture that same girl walking into the Brussels Parliament as an elected official. In this episode of Off Script, hosts Naina Madan and Elizabeth Kuiper sit down with Kristela Bytyçi, Brussels Regional Deputy elected in June 2024. From a childhood shaped by migration to nearly a decade inside the European Commission, her path to public life is anything but ordinary. The conversation covers identity and belonging, what pushed her from the outside of politics to the inside, the backlash women in politics still face, AI and who it leaves behind, and how you stay genuinely good in a system that can wear you down. Honest, warm, and free of the usual political spin.

    From Albania to the Brussels Parliament.

  5. Season 2 Trailer

    Kristela Bytyçi - the woman from Albania now in Brussels politics

    Picture an eight-year-old girl landing in Brussels from Albania, not speaking the language, with no seat at any table in sight. Now picture that same girl walking into the Brussels Parliament as an elected official. In this episode of Off Script, hosts Naina Madan and Elizabeth Kuiper sit down with Kristela Bytyçi, Brussels Regional Deputy elected in June 2024. From a childhood shaped by migration to nearly a decade inside the European Commission, her path to public life is anything but ordinary. The conversation covers identity and belonging, what pushed her from the outside of politics to the inside, the backlash women in politics still face, AI and who it leaves behind, and how you stay genuinely good in a system that can wear you down. Honest, warm, and free of the usual political spin.

    Kristela Bytyçi - the woman from Albania now in Brussels politics

  6. 10 Sept

    Climate Change: Facts, Fiction and Fair Share.

    Almost everyone thinks they understand climate change. The science has not become less certain, but the conversation around it keeps shifting, and one new player is changing the maths fast: artificial intelligence. In this episode of Off Script, Naina and Elizabeth are joined by Dr. Audrey-Flore Ngomsik, who holds a PhD in Physical and Analytical Chemistry from Sorbonne University and is the CEO and co-founder of Trianon Scientific Communication. She is President of the Belgian Entreprenoires, Vice-President of Brussels' Climate Experts Committee, and a board member of the European Policy Centre. Together they get honest about the AI question most people skip. Every query you send draws on a data centre that burns power and drinks water to answer you, and a single request can use roughly ten times the energy of a typical Google search. Yet the same technology is accelerating progress on things like vaccines. Audrey argues that AI is here to stay, so the real work is learning to live with it wisely: choosing smaller, university built tools over the biggest players, funding sustainability instead of endless scale, and remembering that everyday habits like one meat free day a week still add up. She also shares the thinker who shaped her view, Vandana Shiva. No tidy conclusions. Just better questions. Listen to our podcast, and keep listening, keep questioning, and keep the conversation human.

    Climate Change: Facts, Fiction and Fair Share.

  7. Season 2 Trailer

    What if the awkward question is the only one worth asking?

    That's exactly what we're doing in Season 2 of Off Script. One thing kept coming back in every conversation we had last season. AI. So this season we stopped avoiding it. The first half, we go straight at big tech. No hype, no fear, just the honest conversation. The second half, we turn to the part nobody checks. What is all of this doing to our wellbeing? We have five guests lined up to help us answer exactly that. We're Naina and Elizabeth, and this is Off Script. Curious by nature, human by choice, comfortable with the uncomfortable. New episodes are coming. Follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and wherever you listen, and come find us on Instagram for updates along the way. Keep listening, keep questioning.

    What if the awkward question is the only one worth asking?

  8. 15 Jul

    Race, Diversity & Europe with Ophélie Omnès

    Europe likes to believe race is an American problem. But close to 50 million people of an ethnic minority background live in the EU, nearly 40 percent report facing discrimination, and the institutions that collect data on everything else collect almost nothing on this. This week we sit down with Ophélie Omnès, a lawyer and lobbyist working at the intersection of EU law and inclusion. Naina comes to this one conflicted, as a woman of colour who questions why race is still the frame we keep returning to, and the conversation goes somewhere honest from there. Why the discomfort. Who benefits from keeping it vague. And whether naming these categories keeps them alive. Keep listening, keep questioning.

    Race, Diversity & Europe with Ophélie Omnès
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Off Script is a podcast for the conversations we're often too quick to skip past. Hosted by Naina Madan and Elizabeth Kuiper, each episode slows down to sit with the questions that matter — about identity, society, work, mental health, and the world we're all navigating together. With curiosity, care, and a genuine openness to different perspectives, Naina and Elizabeth create space for guests to speak honestly — beyond the headlines, the polished answers, and the expected narratives. Because the most important conversations rarely happen on script.

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  • Creator
    Naina & Elizabeth
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    13
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Naina & Elizabeth
  • Show Website
    Off Script
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