Jordan Stephens is a platinum selling musician, rapper, best-selling author, artist, and advocate, who has emerged onto the men and boys scene as one of the major faces to the movement. Known for his diplomatic, calm approach to discourse, Jordan is one of the few individuals who has managed to straddle the picket lines, with one foot in the men and boys advocacy camp, and another in the feminist camp.In this podcast, Jordan and George discuss love, loss, abuse, boys, prison, gangs, feminism, and “the patriarchy”, asking if and how we can meet in the middle, and work together for the betterment of all people.~Chapters00:15 – How did the journey begin in the space of men and boys issues.01:13 – Do men take longer to recover from heartbreak?03:39 – Alexithemia (without words for emotions)07:00 – What's behind anger?09:09 – What do we call this movement?12:31 – The crisis of masculinity15:27 – A brief history of tears15:59 – Are the experiences of gay men and lesbian women different?17:05 – A band of brothers, and mens groups20:24 – "The Work" A documentary about men in prison23:25 – Is crying good for mental health?25:42 – What is masculinity and femininity? 27:38 – How do we go upstream from "masculinity" talk?29:40 – Gangs and fatherlessness30:43 – The bullied boy, behind the angry man32:25 – No more youth clubs, sport centres or afterschool classes, where are boys supposed to go? 36:05 – The importance of fathers and positive male role models39:13 – How do we teach kids about relationships?41:01 – Discussing the ugly areas of mens advocacy 51:11 – Do we live in a patriarch? 01:14:34 – Has TheTinMen become more hardened over the years?01:18:55 – How do we talk to women about these issues?01:21:31 – Parrhesia, to speak openly and apologise for so speaking01:23:30 – Why its important for men to feel01:24:33 – Is our view of mental health centred on women?01:28:30 – How do we change our minds?01:33:37 – Stepping outside the hysteria of social media01:36:06 – Are Gen Z too politically engaged?Buy Jordans' latest Sunday Times Best-Seller 'Avoidance, Drugs, Heartbreak an Dogs', here