Do This, NOT That: Marketing Tips with Jay Schwedelson

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Welcome to "Do This, NOT That!" - your ultimate destination for mastering marketing insights. Join us as we dive deep into the world of marketing, unlocking powerful strategies and game-changing tactics that will revolutionize your approach. ㅤ Our podcast offers actionable takeaways and practical advice to supercharge your marketing game. Explore the power of decision-making, the art of nurturing contacts, and the influence of loss aversion in marketing. Discover how anchoring and positive psychology can elevate your campaigns to new heights. ㅤ Unravel the secrets of understanding your audience's minds and tapping into behavioral science principles. We guide you on a journey to marketing mastery, empowering you to make the right decisions and drive remarkable results. ㅤ Tune in to "Do This, NOT That!" to unlock your full marketing potential, stay ahead in the competitive landscape, and embark on this thrilling marketing adventure with us!

  1. SPECIAL SERIES ==> 🚨 Why Your Attribution Data Is Lying To You == | BATHROOM Break #115 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That

    7 hr ago

    SPECIAL SERIES ==> 🚨 Why Your Attribution Data Is Lying To You == | BATHROOM Break #115 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That

    Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Somewhere between confessions about theme-park vomit and stolen fries, Jay Schwedelson and Daniel Murray land on the number that's quietly running their whole marketing budget: blended CAC. It's the metric Daniel can't stop bringing up, and here he finally breaks down why it matters more than watching any single channel in isolation. Stick around past the carnival talk, because the real answer to "should I panic about Reddit's rising cost per acquisition" is in here. ㅤ Follow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights. ㅤ Best Moments: (01:07) Jay explains why he can't survive anything that spins in a circle (03:15) Jay calls out Daniel's favorite obsession: blended CAC (03:45) Daniel breaks down what blended CAC actually measures (04:33) Why attribution lies and makes channels like Meta and Google look better than they are (06:20) The case for tracking channels both blended and in silos (08:33) How to fold a brand new channel, like ChatGPT ads, into your blended CAC without skewing it

    13 min
  2. SPECIAL EPISODE!! 🎤 Public Speaking Advice That's All Backwards | Ep. 533

    1 day ago ·  Video

    SPECIAL EPISODE!! 🎤 Public Speaking Advice That's All Backwards | Ep. 533

    Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Most of the advice floating around about public speaking comes from people who are, ironically, painfully boring at it. Jay Schwedelson has done over 300 keynotes and landed on a set of habits that run against almost everything you've been coached to do, from ditching the memorized script to practicing with the TV blaring. Whether the room is a packed stage or four people on a Zoom, the same small moves are what actually keep people listening. ㅤ Best Moments: (01:30) The opener that quietly loses the room before you've even started (02:00) Two little words that tell people boredom is on the way (02:18) Why a memorized speech always sounds hollow, no matter how polished (03:10) Rehearse with the TV on, because silence is nothing like the real room (03:45) Put your best material in the first 90 seconds instead of saving it for the end (06:15) The pre-talk move with one or two people that quietly kills the nerves

    9 min
  3. SPECIAL GUEST!! ClickUp's Co-Founder Chris Cunningham 💸 The $1,000 Content Hack Big Brands Miss | Ep. 532

    4 days ago ·  Video

    SPECIAL GUEST!! ClickUp's Co-Founder Chris Cunningham 💸 The $1,000 Content Hack Big Brands Miss | Ep. 532

    Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Connect with Chris Cunningham on LinkedIn and on Instagram (@Cunningham), or reach him directly at chris@clickup.com. He's happy to help anyone getting started with content or building on ClickUp. ㅤ Most B2B software gets sold with a webinar and two floating headshots on a LinkedIn promo. Chris Cunningham helped build ClickUp into a $4 billion company by doing the opposite, hiring actors by the day, making genuinely funny videos, and treating a project management tool like a consumer brand. He sat down with Jay Schwedelson to walk through the actual mechanics, from the scrappy month-one tests to mining follower data to land a meeting with McDonald's COO. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:46) The bet behind the whole strategy, that every company will soon have at least one in-house creator (04:02) The scrappy growth loop, run tiny tests, prove the signal, then go back for budget (05:45) The actor day-rate hack that gets you eight to ten videos for under a grand (08:30) Spotting McDonald's COO in the follower data, then shooting a video just for him (12:15) Why bloated, slow-shipping software is exactly what gets vibe-coded out of existence (16:31) Instagram's head says leave the barking dog in, messy video is what's winning reach

    20 min
  4. What’s Up THIS WEEK?! HUGE Google AI Overview Change! Simple Prompt to Show Up Everywhere! 🥊 Rocky? Jaws? | Ep. 531

    6 days ago ·  Video

    What’s Up THIS WEEK?! HUGE Google AI Overview Change! Simple Prompt to Show Up Everywhere! 🥊 Rocky? Jaws? | Ep. 531

    Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Big shoutout to our sponsor, Knak! Marketers, you know the pain… You spend hours on a campaign, and then it gets stuck in review cycles and barely looks like what you started with. Knak makes it simple. Design emails and landing pages, collaborate, and launch - all in one place. No tool hopping, no messy handoffs, with AI built in to help you move faster. See how it all works, get started at knak.com/demo ㅤ Something quietly broke inside Google this week, and most marketers won't notice until their AI Overview traffic disappears from the dashboard. Jay Schwedelson walks through what changed, why over 90% of that traffic just went dark, and a free 5-minute trick using ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Perplexity, and Grok to figure out exactly what your content should be built around. Stick around for the LinkedIn move everyone copied from Instagram, Kraft's genuinely clever ranch dressing play, and a deeply unserious ranking of the best July 4th movies ever made. ㅤ Best Moments: (00:50) Google stripped the tracking code, and over ninety percent of AI Overview traffic just went dark (03:01) Ask all five AI tools the same question to find what your content should actually be about (04:44) LinkedIn borrows collaborative posts from Instagram, and it is a bigger deal than it sounds (05:27) Kraft rolls out TSA-friendly ranch dressing for the World Cup crowd, smuggling it home (06:01) Polymarket gets caught paying creators to fake big-bet wins (07:43) Ranking the best July 4th movies, with a strong case for Jaws at number one

    11 min
  5. SPECIAL SERIES ==> 🚽 The AI Hacks We Actually Use == | BATHROOM Break #114 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That

    29 Jun

    SPECIAL SERIES ==> 🚽 The AI Hacks We Actually Use == | BATHROOM Break #114 COLLAB: The Marketing Millennials + Do This, Not That

    Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Ever wish you could hand your ad copy to David Ogilvy and get notes back? Daniel Murray and Jay Schwedelson turn that into something you can actually do, trading the two AI moves they each reach for when they want sharper work instead of a faster first draft. It's a quick one, with a detour into Jay's surprisingly committed strategy for never being spotted near a bathroom, but the tactics are the kind you'll try the same afternoon. ㅤ Follow Daniel on LinkedIn and check out The Marketing Millennials podcast for sharp, no-fluff marketing insights. Subscribe to Ari Murray’s newsletter at gotomillions.co for sharp, actionable marketing insights. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:27) Daniel has AI critique his copy through the principles of the ten best to ever do it, Sugarman and Ogilvy included. (03:35) Jay's take on why it works, the model has absorbed everything those experts ever published, so you get their real input. (04:52) The step most people skip, write it yourself first and let AI refine, or you just end up sounding like them. (05:22) Jay asks all five major LLMs for the top fifty questions buyers actually type in. (06:32) Find the four or five questions that overlap across every platform and you have your headline content. (07:28) Daniel layers in Reddit, Quora, and G2 to catch the pain points people post in public.

    11 min
  6. 🟠HUBSPOT'S CMO Kipp Bodnar🟠on AI and Showing UP! | Ep. 529

    25 Jun ·  Video

    🟠HUBSPOT'S CMO Kipp Bodnar🟠on AI and Showing UP! | Ep. 529

    Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Listen to Kipp's podcast Marketing Against the Grain, and pre-order his new book with Kieran Flanagan, Loop: Outlearn. Outmarket. Outgrow. ㅤ Jay Schwedelson wanted Kipp Bodnar on the show since day one, and it's easy to hear why once the two of them get going on the one thing keeping marketers up at night: whether AI has quietly torched the playbook everyone spent fifteen years building. HubSpot's CMO makes the case that content isn't dead, it just has a brutally short shelf life now, and the marketers who win are the ones who treat originality and taste like the scarce resources they've become. Along the way they get into why the new robots reward writing for actual humans, what a real content engine looks like when you're starting from zero, and the reasoning behind Kipp's new book in a year when four million others got published. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:01) Why AI didn't kill content marketing but did break the old playbook and slash content's shelf life (04:16) The T-Swift theory of content, why being good isn't enough anymore and you have to be prolific too (05:56) Writing for the new robots, how AEO flips twenty years of SEO into a human-first game (08:48) Why Reddit, LinkedIn, and YouTube quietly became the sources AI search trusts most (10:53) The one content engine Kipp would build first if he were starting with nothing today (13:18) Why he wrote a book in the middle of the short-form video era, and who it's really for (16:17) The journalism-school lesson that beats a business degree, repetition doesn't ruin the prayer

    20 min
  7. What’s Up THIS WEEK?! NEW! LinkedIn CHANGE! Anthropic PROBLEM? Goodbye ‘Work Email’? | Ep. 528

    23 Jun ·  Video

    What’s Up THIS WEEK?! NEW! LinkedIn CHANGE! Anthropic PROBLEM? Goodbye ‘Work Email’? | Ep. 528

    Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ MASSIVE thank you to our Sponsor, CallRail! CallRail is the AI-powered lead intelligence platform that helps marketers prove exactly what’s driving results. With CallRail, you can connect every call, text, chat, and form submission directly to the campaign that generated it so you finally know what’s working and where to double down. Plus, with built-in AI conversation intelligence, CallRail analyzes your customer conversations, captures leads 24/7, and gives you deeper insights into what your prospects actually care about. If you’re tired of guessing about your marketing ROI and want real data behind your campaigns, CallRail has you covered. Start a Free Trial Here: https://www.callrail.com/dothis ㅤ Paying for an AI tool and quietly wondering whether you're getting what they promised? That nagging feeling just turned into a class action lawsuit, and Jay Schwedelson thinks it's the first of many in a world where nobody can actually measure what "usage" even means. He also makes a surprisingly convincing case for why dropping the work-email requirement on your forms is a win and not a leak, with detours through LinkedIn GIFs, a Netflix rom-com, and a bestseller list nobody saw coming. ㅤ Best Moments: (00:35) LinkedIn is rolling out GIFs in comments, and why that matters more than it sounds (02:45) The Claude Max buyer who expected 20X more usage and found he was getting closer to 6X (02:56) Why "am I actually getting the AI usage I'm paying for" is about to become a recurring legal fight (04:00) Year over year, 27% fewer companies are forcing a work email on their forms (04:54) The case for letting job seekers use a personal email, and why your brand wins when they get hired (08:16) "Stupider People Have Done It" lands at #87 on the USA Today list, with $130,000 raised for cancer research

    10 min
  8. It’s ALL about the Data!! SPECIAL GUEST!! CEO of Data Axle 🔥 Andy Frawley 🔥| Ep. 526

    19 Jun ·  Video

    It’s ALL about the Data!! SPECIAL GUEST!! CEO of Data Axle 🔥 Andy Frawley 🔥| Ep. 526

    Partner with Jay: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/contact ㅤ Pre-order Jay Schwedelson's new book, Stupider People Have Done It (out June 9, 2026). All net proceeds are donated to The V Foundation for Cancer Research, let's kick cancer's butt: https://www.amazon.com/Stupider-People-Have-Done-Marketing/dp/1637635206 ㅤ Subscribe to Jay's newsletter for weekly marketing tips and tactics: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/newsletter ㅤ Register for Eventastic (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.eventastic.com ㅤ Register for GuruConference (FREE + VIRTUAL!) https://www.guruconference.com ㅤ Connect with Jay on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwedelson/ Check out Jay's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@schwedelson Check out Jay's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayschwedelson/ Ask Jay anything: https://www.jayschwedelson.com/ask ㅤ Leave a comment and follow the show, it really helps us out! ㅤ Connect with and follow Andy Frawley on LinkedIn, and learn more about Data Axle at data-axle.com. ㅤ Most people assume AI quietly solved the data quality problem for good. Andy Frawley, CEO of Data Axle, tells Jay Schwedelson the opposite is true: clean data matters more now, because a weak foundation just lets AI make bad calls faster. From there they get into why your B2B email list flops on Instagram, why direct mail is quietly thriving, and why Andy doubled his events budget after swearing them off. ㅤ Best Moments: (02:13) Why data quality is becoming a hotter topic, not a solved one, in the AI era (04:27) Data Axle still calls 25 million businesses a year to verify them by hand (07:51) How to match a B2B email list to consumer profiles so you can hit people on Instagram and CTV (10:42) Direct mail is far from dead, and even Amazon is leaning back in (12:52) Why a small, clean database beats a big, unreliable one every time (14:45) The skeptic who doubled his events budget once he forced an ROI story

    17 min

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Welcome to "Do This, NOT That!" - your ultimate destination for mastering marketing insights. Join us as we dive deep into the world of marketing, unlocking powerful strategies and game-changing tactics that will revolutionize your approach. ㅤ Our podcast offers actionable takeaways and practical advice to supercharge your marketing game. Explore the power of decision-making, the art of nurturing contacts, and the influence of loss aversion in marketing. Discover how anchoring and positive psychology can elevate your campaigns to new heights. ㅤ Unravel the secrets of understanding your audience's minds and tapping into behavioral science principles. We guide you on a journey to marketing mastery, empowering you to make the right decisions and drive remarkable results. ㅤ Tune in to "Do This, NOT That!" to unlock your full marketing potential, stay ahead in the competitive landscape, and embark on this thrilling marketing adventure with us!

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