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Industrial Cybersecurity Insider offers a thorough look into the field of industrial cybersecurity for manufacturing and critical infrastructure. The podcast delves into key topics, including industry trends, policy changes, and groundbreaking innovations. Each episode will feature insights from key influencers, policy makers, and industry leaders. Subscribe and tune in weekly to stay in the know on everything important in the industrial cybersecurity world!

  1. 4 DAYS AGO

    Former NSA now Founder & CTO Breaks Cybersecurity Down: Satellites to Manufacturing

    Dino sits down with Dick Wilkinson, CTO and co-founder of Proof Labs, to explore the intersection of space technology and industrial cybersecurity. Dick shares his 20-year journey in the U.S. Army with the National Security Agency, transitioning from signals intelligence to becoming a CISO for critical infrastructure organizations, including New Mexico's Supreme Court and the Albuquerque water authority. The conversation dives deep into the challenges of securing satellite systems with onboard intrusion detection and the persistent gap between IT and OT security teams. We also explore why the "castle wall" perimeter security model is dangerously outdated. Dick reveals how AI is lowering the barrier to entry for both attackers and defenders, and discusses the real-world applications of satellite communications in oil and gas operations. He also introduces a revolutionary physical layer-one air gap device called Goldilock Secure, which could transform how we protect remote industrial assets. This episode is essential listening for CISOs, CTOs, and security leaders looking to understand emerging threats in space-based infrastructure and practical solutions for securing distributed industrial environments. Chapters: (00:00:00) - Dick's Journey: From NSA to Space Cybersecurity(00:04:32) - What is Proof Labs and Why Space Security Matters(00:08:15) - Satellites as OT Assets: Oil, Gas, and Critical Infrastructure(00:12:47) - How Onboard Intrusion Detection Works in Spacecraft(00:16:23) - The Castle Wall Problem: Moving Beyond Perimeter Security(00:19:41) - IT vs OT: Bridging the Gap in Manufacturing Cybersecurity(00:24:18) - AI's Impact: Lowering the Barrier for Attackers and Defenders(00:27:35) - The Visibility Challenge: Why Most Plants Don't Know Their Assets(00:30:12) - Goldilock Firebreak: A Physical Air Gap Device That Changes Everything(00:35:20) - Real-World Applications for Remote Industrial Asset Protection Links And Resources: Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Dick Wilkinson on LinkedInProof Labs WebsiteIndustrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design

    34 min

  2. 3 FEB

    The IT-OT Knowledge Gap Costing Organizations Millions

    Dino sits down with Adeel Shaikh Muhammad, a Dubai-based cybersecurity expert and researcher with 16+ years in IT and OT security. They dive into why IT and OT teams still can't communicate effectively. The conversation reveals why most CISOs struggle to secure manufacturing environments. Adeel shares real-world insights from securing industrial systems across the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. They tackle the implementation gap in OT SOCs and why legacy systems remain vulnerable. The discussion covers third-party access risks, OEM warranty restrictions, and system integrator challenges. AI might finally solve IT-OT convergence by acting as a translator between these worlds. But first, organizations need to master the fundamentals: asset inventory, vulnerability management, and network segmentation. Most companies still haven't nailed these basics in their industrial environments. This conversation cuts through the hype to focus on what actually works. Chapters: (00:00:00) - 16 Years in Cybersecurity: Why CISOs Don't Know What a PLC Is(00:01:48) - Career Journey: From IT to OT Cybersecurity Focus(00:02:48) - Books on AI Transforming Security Operations Centers(00:04:44) - The Implementation Gap: Challenges Building OT SOCs(00:06:40) - The IT-OT Cultural Divide and Missing Communication(00:08:40) - Why the OT Ecosystem Must Proactively Bring Cybersecurity Tools(00:10:00) - Can IT-OT Convergence Actually Happen?(00:11:00) - AI as the Bridge: The Black Box Solution for IT-OT Communication(00:12:42) - Legacy Systems Reality: Windows 7 Running $5M Equipment(00:14:00) - OT Cybersecurity Conferences: S4, Intersec, and Rockwell Automation Fair(00:16:00) - Market Consolidation: Who's Been Acquired in OT Security(00:17:48) - Back to Basics: Asset Inventory, Vulnerabilities, and Network Segmentation(00:18:40) - Third-Party Access Control and OEM Warranty Restrictions(00:20:40) - Why We Can't Ignore Asset Inventory and Segmentation in OT Anymore Links And Resources: Adeel Shaikh Muhammad on LinkedInWant to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on a...

    22 min

  3. 27 JAN

    The Patching Gap Putting Industrial Operations at Risk: IT vs OT

    Craig and Dino tackle one of industrial cybersecurity's most critical challenges in this Rewind episode: the massive gap between IT and OT patching strategies. IT organizations patch constantly—think Patch Tuesday. OT environments rarely patch at all, creating dangerous vulnerability gaps across connected networks. The hosts explore why this disconnect exists. Production floor downtime costs are astronomical, making patching a risky business decision. OEM restrictions complicate matters further. Many vendors won't support systems or warranties after unauthorized updates. Managing decades-old equipment alongside modern systems creates another layer of complexity. Legacy PLCs weren't designed with patching in mind. The consequences of not patching are mounting. Insurance companies are tightening requirements and regulatory pressures are intensifying. Craig and Dino offer practical solutions that don't require shutting down production lines. Virtual patching technologies can protect legacy control systems without traditional software updates. The hosts emphasize the urgent need for IT-OT collaboration. All stakeholders—including OEMs and system integrators—must be part of strategic cybersecurity conversations. This episode is essential listening for CISOs, plant managers, and anyone responsible for protecting industrial operations. The connected world isn't waiting for OT to catch up. Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction to Patching Challenges00:01:08 - IT vs OT Patching: Key Differences00:02:55 - Understanding the Cost of Downtime in OT00:03:32 - Overcoming Challenges with Legacy Systems00:05:21 - Navigating OEMs and Safety Concerns00:06:45 - The Role of Safety in OT Patching00:08:52 - Exploring Virtual Patching Solutions00:13:11 - Enhancing Vendor Collaboration and Risk Management00:16:48 - Impact of Mergers and Acquisitions on Cybersecurity00:18:33 - Addressing Insurance and Compliance Issues00:20:12 - Significant Consequences of Not Patching00:23:14 - Building an Effective Collaborative Cybersecurity Strategy00:24:03 - Conclusion and Actionable Insights Links And Resources: Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInspan...

    26 min

  4. 20 JAN

    Four Distinct Companies & One Critical Gap—The Ownership Crisis in OT Security

    This compilation episode brings together the most critical insights from Industrial Cybersecurity Insider conversations about the fundamental challenges plaguing OT security implementation and management. Industry experts dissect why traditional IT security approaches fail catastrophically on the plant floor, revealing that the core issue isn't technology—it's ownership, collaboration, and understanding. From the dangers of deploying endpoint detection without vendor qualification to the millions lost in unplanned downtime, this episode exposes the gap between security theory and operational reality. Listeners will discover why cybersecurity tools are often shelfware, how the "have and have-not" world creates vulnerability gaps across manufacturing facilities, and what "left of boom" thinking means for preventing incidents before they happen. Featuring hard-won lessons about shutdown windows, cyber-informed engineering, and the critical importance of building relationships between IT teams and plant floor operations, this episode delivers actionable intelligence for CISOs, plant managers, and anyone responsible for securing industrial control systems. Chapters: (00:00:00) - Introduction: The Core Problem of Ownership in OT Security(00:01:45) - Why IT Security Approaches Fail on the Plant Floor(00:04:30) - The Cloud Analogy: Lessons for OT Implementation(00:07:15) - The Missing Conversation: Capital Plans and OEMs(00:10:20) - IT vs OT Networks: Different Purposes, Different Risks(00:13:35) - EDR in OT: The Aftermarket Parts Problem(00:16:10) - Cyber-Informed Engineering: Building Security into Design(00:19:45) - The Have and Have-Not World of Plant Security(00:23:20) - Left of Boom: Visibility Beyond Security(00:27:15) - Who Should Lead the OT Security Discussion Links And Resources: Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/craigaduckworth/" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

    30 min

  5. 13 JAN

    Your New Equipment Just Shipped With Security Risks & Here's Why Your OEM Won't Fix Them

    In this episode, Dino and Craig tackle one of manufacturing's most pressing challenges: the OEM blockade. They explore why brand-new equipment often ships with hundreds of unpatched vulnerabilities, how the gap between IT and OT teams creates operational blind spots, and why manufacturers can't rely on traditional IT solutions to secure their plant floors. From the CrowdStrike incident that took down HMIs to the "ghost in the machine" causing unexplained downtime, they reveal why OT teams must take ownership of their cybersecurity posture and build partnerships with the right ecosystem of OT-focused service providers. If you've ever wondered why your million-dollar machine center is running Windows 7 or why your cybersecurity reports don't match reality, this episode provides the answers—and a path forward. Chapters: (00:00:00) - The OEM Blockade Problem(00:01:00) - Understanding OEM Software Lock and Remote Access(00:03:00) - The Reality of Unpatched Vulnerabilities in New Equipment(00:06:00) - The IT/OT Blockade and Convergence Challenges(00:09:00) - Why IT Disciplines Don't Translate to OT Environments(00:11:00) - The CrowdStrike Incident: What Really Happened on Plant Floors(00:13:00) - The Lack of Due Diligence in Manufacturing M&A(00:16:00) - Chasing the Ghost in the Machine(00:19:00) - Process Integrity vs. Cybersecurity Tools(00:22:00) - Why OT Teams Must Take Ownership and Build the Right Partnerships Links And Resources: Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedIn Thanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, a...

    27 min

  6. 6 JAN

    The CISO's Impossible Task: Protecting Plant Floors They've Never Seen

    Craig and Dino tackle one of the most pressing challenges in industrial cybersecurity: the disconnect between IT security teams and operational technology environments. They explore why traditional CISOs struggle to protect manufacturing plants despite their best intentions, revealing that most security executives get 30 minutes or less per quarter to present cyber risks to their boards—leaving little time to address the complexities of OT environments they barely understand. The conversation digs into the fundamental differences between enterprise IT and plant floor operations, where safety and uptime trump traditional security approaches, and where telling an engineer to remove a Windows 7 machine from the network might mean shutting down millions of dollars in production. Craig and Dino make a compelling case for why external expertise, cross-functional collaboration, and a fundamental shift in how organizations approach industrial cybersecurity are not just recommended—they're essential for survival in an evolving threat landscape where adversaries only need to get lucky once. Chapters: (00:00:00) - The IT Security Mindset vs. OT Reality(00:01:00) - Has the CISO Really Engaged with Industrial Cybersecurity?(00:03:00) - The Disconnect: IT Owns the Network, OT Owns the Assets(00:05:00) - What CISOs Don't Know About the Plant Floor(00:07:00) - Safety and Uptime: The Top Two Priorities CISOs Must Understand(00:10:00) - The Asset Visibility Problem: Do You Really Know What's Out There?(00:13:00) - 30 Minutes or Less Per Quarter: The CISO's Impossible Task(00:16:00) - Why External Expertise Isn't Optional Anymore(00:19:00) - The Cyber Insurance Myth: Why Your Policy Won't Save You(00:22:00) - Secure by Demand: Holding Vendors Accountable(00:25:00) - Getting to the "Know": Where to Start and What to Ask Links And Resources: Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on...

    26 min

  7. 30/12/2025

    IT and OT Are Still Siloed - Here's Why That's Dangerous

    In this rewind episode, Craig and Dino tackle a critical disconnect in industrial cybersecurity: the gap between IT teams deploying OT security tools and the plant floor teams who desperately need the data these tools collect. They reveal why 85% of data from industrial cybersecurity platforms is meant for OT personnel, yet rarely reaches them. The conversation exposes how organizations invest heavily in tools like IDS platforms but fail to share vulnerability data, asset inventories, and network intelligence with the system integrators, OEMs, and plant teams actually working on their control systems. Craig and Dino discuss the consequences of this siloed approach—from incomplete asset visibility to duplicated tooling—and offer practical guidance on achieving true IT-OT convergence. They emphasize that organizations must work with partners who can "build the car, not just buy it," and stress the importance of tabletop exercises, proper vendor vetting, and collaborative frameworks that include the entire industrial ecosystem in cybersecurity planning and execution. Chapters: (00:00:00) - The Growing Problem: OT Teams Lack Access to Critical Security Data(00:01:47) - IT-OT Convergence in Practice: Are We Really Doing It?(00:04:42) - Why IT Teams Keep Security Data Siloed from Plant Floor Partners(00:06:38) - The Consequence: System Integrators Bring Their Own Tools(00:08:38) - The Disconnect Between IT Security Tools and OT Reality(00:11:48) - How to Bridge the Gap: Questions System Integrators Should Ask(00:15:42) - Vetting Your Security Partners: Can They Build the Car or Just Buy It?(00:17:46) - The Three-Legged Stool: Why IT-Only Security Fails in Manufacturing(00:20:48) - Action Steps: Creating a Comprehensive List of Your Industrial Ecosystem(00:22:48) - Final Thoughts: Moving Beyond Security Theater to True Collaboration Links And Resources: Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on a...

    24 min

  8. 23/12/2025

    The Hidden Reason Most Manufacturing Cybersecurity Programs Fail

    Dino sits down with cybersecurity expert Wil Klusovsky to discuss the massive gap between IT security practices and OT reality. With 26 years of experience, Wil shares his unconventional journey into operational technology and reveals why most security tools end up as shelfware on plant floors. They dive deep into the communication breakdown between CISOs and plant operations, the critical role of system integrators and OEMs that IT leaders often ignore, and why the "air gap" myth continues to put manufacturing facilities at risk. Wil breaks down his framework for speaking to boards in language they understand, emphasizing business impact over technical jargon. The conversation covers everything from the challenges of MFA implementation in OT environments to why patching isn't always the answer. They discuss how organizations can build effective OT security programs by making cybersecurity everyone's responsibility - not just IT's problem. Chapters: (00:00:00) - Opening: The $50K Security Investment That Nobody Uses(00:01:00) - Will's Unconventional Journey Into OT Cybersecurity(00:03:45) - The Communication Gap Between IT and OT Teams(00:07:15) - Why Asset Visibility Tools Miss 135% of Your Equipment(00:10:30) - Speaking Board Language: Revenue Loss vs. Technical Jargon(00:13:25) - The Missing Third Leg: System Integrators and OEMs(00:17:30) - Making Cybersecurity Everyone's Job, Not Just IT's Problem(00:21:15) - Why Patching Isn't Always the Answer in OT Environments(00:25:45) - The Reality Check: Physical Security in Manufacturing Plants(00:28:30) - Building a Cybersecurity Program as a Journey, Not a Destination Links And Resources: Wil Online LinktreeWil Klusovsky on LinkedInWant to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dinobusalachi/" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

    31 min
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Industrial Cybersecurity Insider offers a thorough look into the field of industrial cybersecurity for manufacturing and critical infrastructure. The podcast delves into key topics, including industry trends, policy changes, and groundbreaking innovations. Each episode will feature insights from key influencers, policy makers, and industry leaders. Subscribe and tune in weekly to stay in the know on everything important in the industrial cybersecurity world!

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