Fintech Daydreaming

Pål Krogdahl and Ville Sointu

Between digital native customers demanding instant gratification and the ever increasing amount of regulation, financial institutions are between a rock and a hard place. The era of the fintech started after the 2008 financial crisis, challenging the status quo. More than a decade later banks haven’t gone anywhere, yet fintech is more relevant than ever. What happened with all the fintech hopes and dreams? In this podcast Pål Krogdahl & Ville Sointu pick one topic in every episode and try to look at it through the lens of fintech disruption - or lack thereof. This is Fintech Daydreaming.

  1. 19/12/2025

    Live from Nordic Banking Forum 2025

    A Full House of Bank CEOs (and One Central Banker) We took Fintech Daydreaming on the road to the Nordic Banking Forum in Helsinki, and somehow ended up interviewing more CEOs in one day than we usually see in a year. In this special episode, Pål, Ville — and Janne, once we caught him mid–event sprint — sat down with: .-Prag Sharma (Citi) on agentic AI, future-of-finance vibes, and why 80–90% of bank data suddenly matters. .-Janne Salminen (Helsinki Fintech Farm) pops in for a quick Nordic Fintech Highlights segment and shares the annual event-planner panic cycle with us. .- Sampsa Laine (Alisa Bank) on SME banking, partner ecosystems, and why mortgages are still a “not yet.” .-Riikka Laine-Tolonen (S-Bank) on running a bank inside a retail empire, loyalty economics, and scaling to 3.4M customers. .-Jarkko Mäensivu (Saldo Bank) on embedded finance, European expansion, and building a lean, credit-focused bank. .-Aleksi Grym (Bank of Finland) on fraud in instant payments, CBDCs, and why Finland quietly invented half this stuff in the ’90s (and already shut it all down long time ago). Been there. Got the t-shirt. Wrote an excellent paper about it. With Citi, Alisa, S-Bank, Saldo Bank, and the actual central bank represented — plus Janne’s news segment — this turned into perhaps the most executive-heavy episode we’ve ever recorded. We celebrated: Zero vendor interference Zero stablecoin panels A rare concentration of bank CEOs voluntarily talking to us And the survival of an entire live recording day with minimal technical disasters (backdrop changes don’t count) And yes, we ended with a fintech dad joke. Naturally. Episode hosted by Pål Krogdahl & Ville Sointu Episode produced and edited by Fintech Daydreaming - Email us on Hello@FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming home page - https://www.FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming on Twitter - https://twitter.com/FintechDaydream - Fintech Daydreaming on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/fintech-daydreaming - Pål Krogdahl - https://www.linkedin.com/in/krogdahl/ - Ville Sointu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ville-sointu-54682b/

    1h 4m
  2. 05/12/2025

    Aristotle Walks Into a Bank with Rik Coeckelbergs

    In this episode, Pål and Ville sit down with Rik Coeckelbergs, founder of The Banking Scene and author of Ethos in Banking, for a surprisingly philosophical conversation. Yes, this is the first Fintech Daydreaming episode where we willingly tumble down an Aristotle-themed rabbit hole. Rik’s book dives into how the ancient trio of ethos, pathos, and logos can shape modern banking culture. Tturns out, these aren’t just concepts reserved for toga-wearing philosophers: .- Ethos: Banks need credibility that runs deeper than slogans and “purpose” posters. .- Pathos: Customers want to feel understood — not just “KYC’d.” .- Logos: Logic and competence still matter (even if your strategy deck has far too many slides). As Rik unpacks how these pillars can help rebuild trust in the industry, we catch ourselves wondering things like, “Did Aristotle ever have to deal with compliance?” and whether all those countless hours spent in corporate value workshops were really time well spent. Together, we wander into questions such as: .- Can a large bank genuinely live its values without getting lost in the org-chart wilderness? .- Do customers actually want ethical banking, or just fewer fees and fewer headaches? .- And how do you build trust in an industry where most good decisions are the invisible ones? In summary: jokes, tangents, and at least one moment where someone wonders if Aristotle would’ve made a good fintech founder. (Consensus: he would’ve hated the pitch decks.) - Email us on Hello@FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming home page - https://www.FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming on Twitter - https://twitter.com/FintechDaydream - Fintech Daydreaming on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/fintech-daydreaming - Pål Krogdahl - https://www.linkedin.com/in/krogdahl/ - Ville Sointu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ville-sointu-54682b/

    45 min
  3. 21/11/2025

    AI Everywhere, Crypto Creeping Back, & Klarna Being Klarna | Nordic Fintech Highlights October 2025

    October brought AI hype, digital euro déjà vu, and the shocking return of crypto — which means it was just another totally normal month in Nordic fintech. Pål, Ville, and Janne reunite to unpack the biggest stories from the Helsinki Fintech Farm newsletter. Spoiler: every startup is now an AI company. From automated compliance tools to AI-powered CFOs and even kiosks that buy your old phone via Swish — if it’s got electricity, someone’s calling it AI. Meanwhile, Klarna is back in the headlines with a new subscription model that makes Ville long for more gamified tiers, Pål rant about paying to breathe, and Janne quietly celebrate another strong month for dad jokes. The trio also tackle the ECB’s digital euro saga — now entering its “we promise it’s still happening” phase — and Nordea’s cautious dip into crypto trading, which Ville swears has absolutely nothing to do with his day job. Your biweekly dose of fintech group therapy is here — complete with skepticism, sarcasm, and just enough substance to make it count. In other words: business as usual at Fintech Daydreaming. Episode hosted by Pål Krogdahl, Ville Sointu & Janne Salminen Episode produced and edited by Fintech Daydreaming - Email us on Hello@FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming home page - https://www.FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming on Twitter - https://twitter.com/FintechDaydream - Fintech Daydreaming on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/fintech-daydreaming - Pål Krogdahl - https://www.linkedin.com/in/krogdahl/ - Ville Sointu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ville-sointu-54682b/

    42 min
  4. 07/11/2025

    Stablecoins, Africa, and a Locked Door with Hyung-Gon Paul Yoo

    This week, Ville and Pål are joined (once again) by Paul Yoo, CEO of Sukaa, who beamed in live from New York to talk about his newest venture — and somehow turned what was supposed to be a fintech chat into a masterclass on why Africa might just leapfrog the rest of us in digital finance. Paul walks us through his new startup’s mission to build a pan-African on-chain payments and lending platform, explains why the continent’s fragmentation is both the challenge and the opportunity, and delivers a few spicy takes on Europe’s new bank-backed stablecoin. (Spoiler: he’s not impressed.) We revisit old predictions, argue about what “self-settling” really means, and test the limits of how many times stablecoins can be mentioned in one episode before someone needs a lie-down. Somewhere in between, there’s a crypto joke, a Men in Black reference, and a minor real-world subplot involving a locked apartment door. It’s global, geeky, and a little chaotic — just another day at the virtual office of Fintech Daydreaming. Episode hosted by Pål Krogdahl & Ville Sointu Episode produced and edited by Fintech Daydreaming - Email us on Hello@FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming home page - https://www.FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming on Twitter - https://twitter.com/FintechDaydream - Fintech Daydreaming on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/fintech-daydreaming - Pål Krogdahl - https://www.linkedin.com/in/krogdahl/ - Ville Sointu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ville-sointu-54682b/

    53 min
  5. 23/10/2025

    The One We Forgot to Record (Twice) | Nordic Fintech Highlights September 2025

    In what might be our most meta episode yet, Pål, Ville, and Janne sat down to unpack the biggest Nordic fintech stories of September — only to realize halfway through that we’d forgotten to hit record. So yes, this episode is technically the sequel to the lost masterpiece that no one will ever hear. Once we finally remembered to press the big red button, things got back on track (mostly). Ville’s voice barely survived another deep dive into stablecoins — a topic now reaching “say it one more time and I scream” levels. Pål compared digital euros and euro stablecoins like a true survivor of SIBOS, and Janne tried to restore order with AI funding rounds, Revolut’s Nordic comeback, and an ePassi expansion story that proves the Finns can scale just fine without the metaverse. There’s even the obligatory terrible fintech joke, a bit of croaky small talk, and an awkward realization that maybe we talk about stablecoins more than our families. All in all: it’s chaotic, it’s geeky, it’s pure Fintech Daydreaming — take two. Episode hosted by Pål Krogdahl, Ville Sointu & Janne Salminen Episode produced and edited by Fintech Daydreaming - Email us on Hello@FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming home page - https://www.FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming on Twitter - https://twitter.com/FintechDaydream - Fintech Daydreaming on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/fintech-daydreaming - Pål Krogdahl - https://www.linkedin.com/in/krogdahl/ - Ville Sointu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ville-sointu-54682b/

    46 min
  6. 09/10/2025

    Live in Copenhagen from Nordic Fintech Week

    This year Pål and Ville set up shop in the official backstage of the event venue – meaning our little “studio” has probably seen more rock stars, comedians, and magicians than fintech podcasters. But for two days, it was home to us… and the now famous podcast couch. On that couch we hosted a parade of fintech’s brightest people – founders, authors, bankers, thinkers – all crammed into one room with us, the noise of the conference bleeding through the walls, and way too little coffee. The result? The longest Fintech Daydreaming episode ever recorded – nearly two hours of conversations, debates, and jokes that we just couldn’t cut down. (Turns out once you get fintech people comfortable on a couch, they don’t want to leave.) Across those two hours, you’ll hear from: .- Thomas Hahn-Petersen (Copenhagen Fintech) on why Copenhagen is buzzing. .- Philippe Höij (DFRNT) on shaking up investing. .- Jakob Lage Hansen (DoLand) and Ulrik Koefoed Johnsen (Giv Effektivt) on impact and giving. .- Kim Norbye (Nexi Group) and Paolo Sironi (IBM) on future rails of finance. .- Leda Glyptis with her trademark truth bombs. .- Panagiotis Kriaris (Unzer) and Lotta Domonkos (Fimento AB) on payments and platforms. .- Daniel Alter (Enfuce), Ronit Ghose (Citi), and Rune Kallehauge (Mastercard) bringing the global view. .- Christie H. Kristensen (Danske Bank), Veikko Koski (FinanceKey), and .- Wassa Camara (Copenhagen Fintech) closing out the Nordic perspectives. It’s raw, it’s noisy, it’s almost two hours long – but if you want to get into the buzz of Nordic Fintech Week this does it better than any LinkedIn highlight reel you saw before. Episode hosted by Pål Krogdahl & Ville Sointu Episode produced and edited by Fintech Daydreaming - Email us on Hello@FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming home page - https://www.FintechDaydreaming.com - Fintech Daydreaming on Twitter - https://twitter.com/FintechDaydream - Fintech Daydreaming on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/fintech-daydreaming - Pål Krogdahl - https://www.linkedin.com/in/krogdahl/ - Ville Sointu - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ville-sointu-54682b/

    1h 54m

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Between digital native customers demanding instant gratification and the ever increasing amount of regulation, financial institutions are between a rock and a hard place. The era of the fintech started after the 2008 financial crisis, challenging the status quo. More than a decade later banks haven’t gone anywhere, yet fintech is more relevant than ever. What happened with all the fintech hopes and dreams? In this podcast Pål Krogdahl & Ville Sointu pick one topic in every episode and try to look at it through the lens of fintech disruption - or lack thereof. This is Fintech Daydreaming.