Unveiling Mormonism

Join Ross Anderson and Bryan Dwyer, pastors with over 50 years of combined ministry experience in Utah, as they take a deep dive on everything Mormon – from theology to history to culture. New topic every Monday.

  1. 3 DAYS AGO

    Michael’s Story: Mormon Apologist Finds Jesus

    In this episode, former Mormon apologist Michael Flournoy shares how debating Christians and studying Scripture to defend Mormonism unexpectedly led him to the doctrine of grace—until he realized Jesus’ righteousness is a gift, not something you earn. His journey exposes the “impossible gospel” of performance and points to the sufficiency of Christ alone. -- The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism. Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series. Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship. Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org. Donate Now -- Link to "From Mormon Apologist to Christian: The Story of Michael Flournoy" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi5XP1Qh6Os The Story of Michael FlournoyWhat does it mean to be a “Mormon apologist”? Michael Flournoy explains it with a smile: it’s not someone who’s good at apologizing. It comes from the Greek word apologia—a defense. In other words, an apologist is someone who argues their case and tries to prove they’re right. And for years, that was Michael. He wasn’t employed by the LDS Church, but he took the job personally. As a Mormon missionary, Michael ran into evangelical Christians who used the Bible to challenge Mormon beliefs. Instead of backing down, he doubled down. He became a student of Scripture—not to surrender to it, but to “undermine” Christian arguments. He debated Christians online and in person, wrote a book titled A Biblical Defense of Mormonism, and tried to persuade Christians that Mormons were truly Christians… just with “more truth.” But the story doesn’t stay there. When the Bible Didn’t CooperateMichael describes an early turning point on his mission. A Christian man confronted him with questions about God’s nature, authority, and salvation. The conversation became combative and intense, lasting hours. Meanwhile, Michael’s missionary companion tried (and failed) to locate a key proof-text Michael assumed was in the Bible—something to support the Mormon idea that humans can become gods. As the Christian man quoted passage after passage from memory, Michael felt stunned. His assumption was simple: “The Bible is supposed to be on our side.” But suddenly, it felt like Scripture was testifying against him. That moment didn’t immediately make Michael a Christian—but it did awaken something: a hunger for certainty. Mormonism often leaves people with shifting ground—“maybe the prophet was speaking as a man,” or “maybe that revelation was partly human.” Michael didn’t want “maybe” anymore. He wanted truth that wouldn’t move. So he committed to reading the Bible and believing what it said. Ironically, he came out of that study more convinced Mormonism was true—at least for a while. He was using the Bible, but he admits he didn’t yet understand how to interpret it faithfully. He collected scattered verses, stretched meanings, and attempted what he later calls “mental gymnastics.” If Christians had to accept the Bible, he figured, he could use it as “checkmate” to prove Mormonism. So he finished his mission, got married, and even dropped out of college to write his book. He wanted to defend Mormonism publicly—especially as he watched media coverage during Mitt Romney’s presidential run. In Michael’s mind, Christian resistance to Romney was proof that Christians simply misunderstood Mormonism. If he could change that, he could change everything. The Cracks Start to ShowAs his debates continued, Michael noticed something. It was relatively easy to derail conversations by raising secondary issues and watching Christians argue among themselves. But deeper down, a more unsettling pattern emerged: Christians seemed to have a clear, consistent message about salvation—while Mormon answers varied widely. Then came a debate with Lynn Wilder (an ex-Mormon former BYU professor) that didn’t go well for him. Even his own dad joked that she “had him for breakfast.” It wasn’t just the debate performance; it was the growing realization that Christianity wasn’t merely “Mormonism with less truth.” The two messages were fundamentally different. Michael began to feel like a lawyer for a guilty case—always twisting and stretching evidence to make it fit. And eventually he set out to confront a question that even some LDS defenders struggled to answer: Is the Mormon gospel impossible? The Book of Mormon’s phrasing can sound like grace is real—but only after you’ve done enough. Michael decided he would spend a year studying grace to crush the Christian idea of salvation by grace alone. But as he dug in, he discovered something shocking: Mormonism had become a tangled ball of “Christmas lights.” Words like salvation, heaven, and hell could mean multiple different things depending on the conversation. Nothing felt clean, simple, or settled. And then he tried to prove the gospel was possible by doing the impossible: becoming perfect now. That effort crushed him. The harder he tried, the more he realized how deeply sin clung to him. The stress intensified until he felt haunted by a thought: “If you died right now, you would not go to heaven.” The Breakthrough: Imputed RighteousnessA Christian friend introduced Michael to the doctrine of imputed righteousness—the idea that Jesus lived a fully righteous life on our behalf and credits His righteousness to us as a gift. Michael had never heard anything so relieving. At first it sounded too good to be true… but what if it was? He even began to see faint “shadows” of the concept in LDS symbolism—like doing temple ordinances for the dead, where someone else performs what another person cannot. But as he finally turned to the Bible with fresh eyes, he saw the truth plainly: Jesus is sufficient. If Jesus has done everything needed for salvation and eternal life, then we don’t add to it. We receive it. That’s when Michael realized something he never intended: he had become a Christian. He could no longer honestly call himself a Latter-day Saint. Eventually Michael met with Christian teacher Keith Walker, expecting to confront him. Instead, he asked for clarity—one more explanation of grace. And after hearing the gospel, Michael trusted Jesus. His message to LDS listeners is simple and loving: Be honest about God’s standard. Perfection is required—and none of us can reach it. A god who cannot save us in our sins cannot save us at all. But the Bible proclaims good news: Jesus saves sinners completely. We don’t need extra authorities beside Scripture, because any added authority eventually replaces Scripture. And we don’t need a temple to return to God, because Jesus is the true temple—the One who did the work for us. All that remains is to receive Him by faith.

    52 min
  2. 17 FEB

    Mormonism’s Cover Up Culture

    In this episode Bryan connects the dots between modern prophetic scandals and early Mormonism, exposing how unchecked authority and “new revelation” can lead to deception, cover-up culture, and spiritual harm. This episode warns all believers to test everything against the Word of God, even in the Christian church. -- The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism. Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series. Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship. Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org. Donate Now -- Cover-Up Culture and the Modern Prophetic MovementImagine believing a leader hears directly from God—only to discover manipulation, deception, and hidden sin behind the scenes. Recent scandals in parts of the modern prophetic movement have exposed troubling patterns of spiritual abuse, cover-ups, and unchecked authority. In this episode, we connect the dots between today’s prophetic controversies and similar patterns from church history—particularly early Mormonism. This isn’t about attacking charismatic Christians. It’s about recognizing red flags that can emerge whenever leaders claim special revelation and avoid accountability. The goal? Spiritual discernment. Protecting your faith. Keeping your eyes on Jesus. What We Cover in This Episode1. What Is the Modern “Prophetic Movement”?In some charismatic and Pentecostal circles, certain leaders claim to receive fresh, specific revelations from God. With social media and online platforms, these voices now have massive reach and influence. Recent investigations have exposed: Data mining disguised as prophecyManipulation through spiritual languageAllegations of moral failure and abuseInstitutional efforts to protect reputations over victims These patterns aren’t new. 2. The Historical Parallel: Early MormonismIn the 1800s, Joseph Smith claimed prophetic authority and new revelation. Over time, a culture developed that: Shielded leadership from accountabilitySuppressed inconvenient truthsProtected institutional reputationMinimized or denied moral failures The release of the Gospel Topics Essays in 2013 revealed how long some historical realities had been obscured. The lesson? Cover-up culture thrives wherever leaders claim unquestionable authority. The Core Issue: Authority and “New Revelation”The connective tissue between past and present movements is this idea: When someone claims direct revelation from God that overrides Scripture or bypasses accountability, danger follows.Scripture never elevates any modern leader above the Word of God. The Bereans in Acts 17 were commended for testing even the Apostle Paul against Scripture. No one is above God’s Word. Five Red Flag QuestionsUse these to evaluate any church, ministry, influencer—or even this podcast. 1. Is the “anointing” used as a shield against accountability?If questioning a leader is labeled rebellion or “touching God’s anointed,” that’s a warning sign. Biblical leaders welcome testing. False leaders silence it. 2. Is brand management prioritized over victim care?When: NDAs silence victimsImage protection overrides transparencyWhistleblowers are shamed You may be witnessing institutional self-protection rather than shepherding. 3. Is there a true plurality of leadership?Healthy churches have: Multiple eldersShared authorityReal oversightClear accountability structures Unchecked, concentrated power almost always leads to corruption. 4. How are failed prophecies handled?Biblically, if someone claims to speak for God and the prophecy fails, they were wrong. Deleting videos. Reframing predictions. Moving goalposts. These are not biblical responses. 5. Does “new revelation” contradict Scripture?This is the ultimate test. If a “fresh word”: Overrides ScriptureAdds to ScriptureReinterprets clear biblical teachingElevates a leader’s voice above the Bible It is not from God. The canon is closed. Jesus is the final and complete revelation of God. The Real DangerThe enemy’s primary weapon is deception. Cover-up culture doesn’t just damage institutions—it damages faith. When leaders fall and secrets surface, people often walk away from Jesus entirely. But Jesus is not the problem. Human pride and unchecked authority are. The Bottom LineDon’t let: Spiritual hypeCelebrity influenceEmotional experiencesClaims of secret knowledge Distract you from the simple, sufficient Word of God. The Bible doesn’t point to modern prophets. It points to Jesus. He has nothing to hide. He needs no cover-up. He is enough. Related ResourcesWhat Is Cover-Up Culture in Prophetic Circles Today? (Article at PursueGOD.org)Episodes on Mormon Gospel Topics Essays (Unveiling Mormonism Podcast)Link to Mike Winger's Youtube: Mike Winger

    35 min
  3. 10 FEB

    The Bible with an Asterisk?

    When a Latter-day Saint (Mormon) says they believe the Bible is the Word of God, they aren't lying—but they are using a different dictionary. In this episode, we pull back the curtain on the LDS "Eighth Article of Faith" and the massive disclaimer that follows their view of Scripture: "as far as it is translated correctly." We explore the "Great and Abominable Church" narrative, the bold claims of the Joseph Smith Translation (JST), and how a "broken" Bible created a vacuum that only a modern prophet could fill. Ultimately, we compare the Mormon hierarchy of truth against the biblical claim that Jesus is the "final word," challenging listeners to return to the sufficiency of the original text. -- The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism. Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series. Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship. Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org. Donate Now -- Mormons, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), believe the Bible is the word of God, but only as far as it is translated correctly. While they value the Bible as holy scripture, they do not believe it is the final or complete authority for faith. Instead, they view it as one part of a larger collection of scriptures that includes the Book of Mormon. The Bible and the "Translation" CaveatTo understand what Mormons believe about the Bible, you first have to look at their eighth Article of Faith. It states that they believe the Bible to be the word of God "as far as it is translated correctly." This phrase is a major pivot point. For evangelical Christians, the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, and sufficient Word of God. For a Mormon, the Bible is seen as a book that has suffered from the loss of "plain and precious parts" over centuries of translation and human interference. Because of this perspective, the LDS Church generally uses the King James Version (KJV) but views it with a level of caution. They believe that through the centuries, many truths were removed by a corrupt church. This is why they believe a "restoration" was necessary. In their view, the Bible is a good book, but it is a damaged book that requires modern revelation to fix its perceived gaps. The Role of the Book of MormonMormons often describe the Book of Mormon as "Another Testament of Jesus Christ." They believe it serves as a companion to the Bible, acting as a second witness to the divinity of Jesus. However, in practice, the Book of Mormon often takes precedence. Since they believe the Book of Mormon was translated by Joseph Smith through divine power, they consider it the "most correct of any book on earth." This creates a hierarchy of authority. When a biblical passage seems to contradict a teaching in the Book of Mormon or modern LDS revelation, the Bible is usually the one that is reinterpreted. For a Mormon, the Bible is the starting point, but the Book of Mormon is the clarifying finish line. They believe the two books work together to tell a more complete story of God’s dealings with humanity, specifically those in the ancient Americas. The Need for Modern RevelationA core belief in Mormonism is that the "canon" of scripture is not closed. While evangelical Christians point to the ending of the book of Revelation or the historical consensus of the early church to show that God has said what He needs to say in the Bible, Mormons believe God continues to speak through living prophets. This means they have three other books they consider equal to or more authoritative than the Bible: the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.When Paul wrote these words to Timothy, he was pointing to the sufficiency of God’s Word. The biblical view is that the Scriptures we have are enough to "prepare and equip" us for every good work. In contrast, the LDS view suggests that the Bible is insufficient on its own. They believe that without a living prophet and additional books, people would be lost in a sea of confusion regarding the Bible's "missing" parts. Joseph Smith’s Translation (JST)One of the most unique aspects of the Mormon view of the Bible is the "Joseph Smith Translation" or the Inspired Version. Joseph Smith did not translate this from original Greek or Hebrew manuscripts. Instead, he went through the King James Bible and "corrected" verses or added long passages based on what he claimed were direct revelations from God. Many Mormons use a Bible that contains footnotes or an appendix with these JST changes. These changes often fundamentally alter Christian theology. For example, Smith added details to the book of Genesis that support Mormon-specific doctrines regarding the nature of man and the "Plan of Salvation." By doing this, the LDS church effectively moves the goalposts. Instead of testing their prophets against the Bible, they use their prophets to change the Bible so it fits their preferred narrative. Jesus in the Bible vs. MormonismAt the heart of the matter is the person of Jesus. The Bible presents Jesus as the eternal, uncreated God—the Word who was with God and was God (John 1:1). In the Mormon view, the Bible’s description of Jesus is supplemented by the Book of Mormon, which teaches that Jesus is the literal "elder brother" of humanity and the firstborn spirit child of Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. While Mormons will use biblical language to talk about Jesus, the definitions behind those words are different. They believe the Bible is a record of Jesus’s ministry in the Middle East, while the Book of Mormon records His supposed ministry in the Americas after His resurrection. This "additional" information often leads to a version of Jesus that looks quite different from the one described by the original apostles in the New Testament. The TakeawayMormons believe the Bible is the word of God, but they do not believe it is the final word. They see it as a beautiful but flawed book that has been corrupted over time. To "fix" these flaws, they rely on the Book of Mormon and the words of their living prophets. For the biblical Christian, the Bible remains the supreme and sufficient authority, whereas for the Mormon, it is just one piece of a much larger, evolving puzzle.

    22 min
  4. Hebrews: Why did Jesus Have to Become Human? - The PursueGOD Sermon Podcast

    8 FEB · BONUS

    Hebrews: Why did Jesus Have to Become Human? - The PursueGOD Sermon Podcast

    WHY DID JESUS HAVE TO BECOME HUMAN? (CHRISTOLOGY 2) Last week, we began our journey through Hebrews by focusing on Christ’s divine nature. In just four verses, we saw that Jesus is the agent, purpose, sustainer, and ruler of creation. He is fully God—uncreated, eternal, and the exact expression of God’s nature. That was a lot of theology packed into a small space. Today we slow down and move to Christology part two: Jesus’ human nature. This raises a crucial question for Christians then and now: Why did Jesus have to become human? The theological term for this is the incarnation—the central Christian belief that the eternal Son of God took on human nature in the person of Jesus Christ. Importantly, Jesus did not stop being God when He came to earth. He retained His divine nature and added a fully human nature. This means Jesus is one person with two distinct natures: fully God and fully man. No other being in the universe exists like this. While on earth, Jesus didn’t “turn off” His divine power. Instead, He chose not to exercise His divine attributes independently. He lived in complete dependence on the Holy Spirit. The early church called this mystery the hypostatic union. It’s deep theology, but the book of Hebrews doesn’t present it as abstract theory. It presents it as good news. Let’s slow down and read our passage for the day: Hebrews 2:14–18 (NLT) Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death. Only in this way could he set free all who have lived their lives as slaves to the fear of dying… From this passage, Hebrews gives us seven reasons Jesus had to become human. First, Jesus became human because we are human. Since God’s children are flesh and blood, the Son also became flesh and blood. Only a human could represent the human race before God. To save humanity, the Savior had to belong to humanity. In God’s courtroom of justice, Jesus stands as our representative—one who truly understands our condition. Second, Jesus became human so He could die. Death is the penalty for sin, established by God from the beginning. This is the great paradox of the gospel: the Author of life became mortal. If Jesus had remained only divine, He could not have died—and if He could not die, we could not overcome death. Hebrews later reminds us that without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins. Third, Jesus became human so He could break the power of the devil. Hebrews says that through death, Jesus destroyed the one who had the power of death. Satan once held the authority to accuse humanity and hold eternal separation over our heads. Notice the tense—had the power of death. Through the cross, that authority was broken. Fourth, Jesus became human to set us free from the fear of death. Death is still inevitable, but it no longer has the final word. In the ancient world, death was a constant companion, and fear of it shaped daily life. The Christian hope of resurrection transformed everything. As Paul later declared, “O death, where is your victory?” Christians don’t have to live as slaves to fear anymore. Fifth, Jesus became human so He could be our high priest. A priest bridges the gap between a holy God and broken people. Jesus had to be made like us in every respect to fulfill this role. He is merciful toward our weakness and faithful toward God’s holiness. Hebrews will return to this theme again and again. Sixth, Jesus became human so He could be our sacrifice. In the Old Testament, priests offered animals. In the New Covenant, the Priest is the sacrifice. This is the ultimate power move of grace: Jesus offered Himself to take away the sins of the people. Seventh, Jesus became human so He could help us in our testing. Hebrews was written to believers facing persecution and temptation to give up. Jesus understands. He was abandoned, tempted, grieving, and suffering. Because He endured testing Himself, He is able to help us when we are tested. The author later sums it up beautifully: because Jesus is our great High Priest, we can come boldly to God’s throne. If Jesus had remained distant in heaven, God’s throne would be a place of terrifying judgment—a “Keep Out” sign for sinners. But because Jesus added a human nature to His divine nature, God is now approachable. You don’t have to clean yourself up. You don’t need fancy words. You come boldly—not because you are worthy, but because Jesus is. At the throne of grace, we receive mercy, not judgment.

    34 min
  5. 3 FEB

    Brandi and AJ’s Story: Mormon to Atheist to Christian

    In this episode, Brandi and AJ share how unanswered questions, painful discovery, and an honest search for truth led them from “grinding for godhood” in Mormonism to encountering the real Jesus of the Bible. Check out Brandi's Book: The Journey to Jesus: Finding Christ after Leaving Mormonism Brandi's Instagram -- The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism. Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series. Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship. Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org. Donate Now -- Brandi and AJ’s Story: Mormon to Atheist to ChristianBrandi and AJ were doing everything “right.” They were BYU grads, married, building a life, raising kids, and fully committed to the LDS vision of a faithful future. AJ describes it like “grinding for godhood”—a life built on steps, worthiness, temple goals, and constant striving. But then the foundation started to crack. For AJ, some of the doctrinal history raised unsettling questions (including ideas like “blood atonement,” which they mention they’ll unpack later). For Brandi, the tipping point was watching changes in the LDS church after COVID and feeling like the church was shifting in a more progressive direction. She tried to address it the way a devoted member would: she wrote letters to Salt Lake City headquarters about what she saw as inconsistency—especially related to abortion and human life. She wasn’t trying to tear anything down. She genuinely believed the LDS church was true, and she wanted it to be consistent. But the response felt dismissive—more like a polite pat on the head than a meaningful engagement. That frustration pushed them into a place they never thought they’d go: researching. Looking for answers… without wanting to “deconstruct”Brandi makes an important clarification: they weren’t hunting for “gotcha” moments. They didn’t go searching because they assumed the church was false. In fact, they needed it to be true. That’s why reading outside sources felt dangerous. AJ describes that fear as avoiding the “cognitive dissonance fire”—because their hearts were convinced, and they didn’t want their minds persuaded that everything was a lie. But once they started reading, the “genie” didn’t go back in the bottle. They looked at sources like MormonThink because it included multiple perspectives—both critical claims and apologetic responses. That felt more balanced. Still, it wasn’t official, and Brandi felt guilty even being there. Eventually, as more historical issues piled up (like multiple First Vision accounts, questions surrounding the Book of Abraham, and other details they had never been taught), Brandi felt desperate for the church itself to clarify things. So they turned to the Gospel Topics Essays—official LDS content hosted on the LDS website. That’s where everything shifted. Instead of restoring confidence, the essays confirmed key issues and, in Brandi’s view, exposed more “spin” than clarity. For the first time, she seriously wrestled with the question: What if the church isn’t true? The crossroads: nuance or truthAJ explains how people often survive early doubts by “nuancing” their faith—making room for uncomfortable data while keeping the system intact. But eventually, they reached a crossroads: Would they live in a growing pile of nuance just to keep the community and structure—or would they follow truth wherever it led, even if it cost them everything? For them, it took about six months of intense study—re-reading, checking footnotes, cross-referencing sources, and trying to disprove what they were learning. And then came a painful realization: staying “for the good parts” wasn’t enough. They feared raising their kids inside something they no longer believed—only to have their kids later say, “You knew, and you still taught us.” So they left. Why ex-Mormons often leave faith altogetherThey explain why this often leads to losing all faith. Mormonism doesn’t just shape beliefs—it shapes identity, habits, relationships, and your entire framework for “the good life.” If you were taught you had the pinnacle of truth—and it collapses—then everything else can feel like lesser options or chaos. AJ’s next step was simple: keep morality, keep family values, and “worship God in the mountains.” Brandi’s journey was darker at first. For a moment, atheism felt peaceful—like relief from endless striving and spiritual pressure. But that peace didn’t last. Holding her baby, she started asking deeper questions: Why is there something rather than nothing? Where does consciousness come from? Can I really trust my feelings to define truth? She realized she needed sturdier ground than emotion and authority. A new search: truth, the Bible, and the resurrectionBrandi began exploring arguments for God, morality, and the reliability of the Old Testament. That season pulled her into what she calls her “Jewish era”—not literally converting, but deeply studying the Hebrew Scriptures and seeing how unique the Bible’s ethical monotheism really is. But she also noticed something: the story didn’t feel finished. Eventually, the Old Testament pushed her toward the question she didn’t want to touch: Jesus. After years of associating His name with LDS pain and betrayal, she approached Jesus through a historical lens: Who was this man who changed the world’s calendar? Why does every major worldview have to deal with Him? Then she went straight to the hinge point: the resurrection. Because if Jesus rose from the dead, He is not just a teacher—He is Lord. And if He is Lord, then Christianity isn’t another “system.” It’s a surrender. Brandi describes the moment she felt the implications land: If this is true, it’s the most important event in human history. AJ’s journey took a different route. He had to be confronted with sin—not just mistakes, but real guilt before a holy God. The Bible dismantled his “good person” confidence. He began to see that the gospel isn’t self-improvement. It’s rescue. That’s the contrast they highlight: In Mormonism, the “problem” is untapped potential.In Christianity, the problem is sin and separation from God.In Mormonism, the “solution” is a system of ordinances and obedience.In Christianity, the solution is Jesus—His finished work, received by faith. And that’s where their story is headed: not toward a better version of themselves, but toward a Savior who actually saves. Scripture References (NLT): Jeremiah 29:13; Mark 4:9; Isaiah 53:5-6; Romans 3:10-12; Isaiah 64:6; Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8-9; 1 Corinthians 15:3-8.

    50 min
  6. Hebrews: The Seven Attributes of Jesus - The PursueGOD Sermon Podcast

    1 FEB · BONUS

    Hebrews: The Seven Attributes of Jesus - The PursueGOD Sermon Podcast

    The Seven Attributes of Jesus (Christology 1)Big Idea: Jesus Christ is not just a chapter in the story of God; He is the Author, the Hero, and the Ending. When we see Jesus for who He truly is, every other priority in our lives finds its proper place. Today we begin a nine-week journey through the Book of Hebrews, a letter written to magnify the greatness of Jesus Christ. Hebrews isn’t primarily about religious rules, moral improvement, or spiritual techniques. It’s about Jesus—who He is and what He has done. Everything else flows from that foundation. The original audience was likely Jewish Christians living under Roman rule, facing intense persecution. As pressure mounted, many were tempted to abandon their faith in Jesus and return to the familiarity and safety of traditional Judaism. Hebrews speaks directly into that tension with one clear message: Jesus is greater than anyone or anything that came before Him. To walk away from Him would be to walk away from the fulfillment of all God’s promises. The author of Hebrews remains anonymous, one of the great mysteries of the New Testament. While Paul may have influenced it, the writing style is far more polished and rhetorically sophisticated than Paul’s letters. Hebrews chapter 1 proves this immediately. Verses 1–4 form a single, majestic sentence in the original Greek—an exordium, designed to grab attention with both beauty and weight. Hebrews 1:1–4 (NLT) sets the stage: “Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son…”In the Old Testament, God spoke in fragments—a dream here, a burning bush there, a prophet’s warning along the way. But in Jesus, God didn’t just send messages; He sent the Message. This is Christology—the study of the person and work of Jesus Christ—and Hebrews wastes no time getting to the point. In verses 2–3, the author unleashes a rapid-fire description of Jesus using seven distinct attributes. In Scripture, the number seven represents completeness and perfection. Together, these form a full portrait of the Son. Jesus is the Heir—the goal of history. God has promised everything to Him as an inheritance. History is not random; it is moving toward the coronation of King Jesus. He is the “why” behind all creation. Jesus is the Creator—the architect of reality. Through Him, God made the universe. Jesus is not a created being; He is the source of all things. Nothing exists apart from His will. Jesus is the Radiance—the shining glory of God. He doesn’t merely reflect God’s glory like the moon reflects sunlight; He radiates it. The Son is the visible manifestation of the invisible God—“Light from Light.” Jesus is the Expression—the exact imprint of God’s nature. The Greek word charaktēr refers to a stamp or seal. Jesus doesn’t resemble God; He perfectly represents Him. To see Jesus is to see God. Jesus is the Sustainer—the glue of the cosmos. He holds everything together by the power of His word. The universe doesn’t persist on autopilot; it endures because Jesus commands it to. Jesus is the Savior—the cleanser of sin. When He purified us from our sins, the work was finished. Unlike Old Testament priests who never sat down, Jesus completed the work once for all. Finally, Jesus is the Ruler—the seated King. He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven, a position of total authority. The victory is won. Hebrews 1:4 reminds us that Jesus is far greater than angels, traditions, or anything else we might be tempted to trust. For believers facing hardship, this truth re-centers everything. The message of Hebrews is clear: It’s all about Jesus. When we see Him rightly, everything else falls into place.

    33 min
  7. 27 JAN

    Brandi and AJ’s Story: BYU Mormons Grinding for Godhood

    In this episode, Bryan sits down with Brandi and AJ to hear how a lifetime of devotion to Mormon exaltation turned into what they call “grinding for godhood”—a relentless pursuit of worthiness, temple marriage, and eternal approval. Their story reveals the hidden pressure of a works-based faith and sets the stage for how God began to unravel everything they thought was true. -- The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism. Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series. Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship. Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org. Donate Now -- Check out Brandi's Book: The Journey to Jesus: Finding Christ after Leaving Mormonism Grinding for Godhood: Life Inside Mormon ExaltationIn this episode, Bryan talks with Brandi and AJ, two former Mormons who were fully committed to their faith from childhood. Brandi introduces a phrase that captures their experience perfectly: “grinding for godhood.” It describes a life shaped by striving—keeping covenants, qualifying for temple blessings, and doing everything necessary to reach exaltation. What does “grinding for godhood” mean?Brandi explains that from a young age she believed her purpose was to tap into her divine nature and eventually become like God. This wasn’t driven by ego or a desire to be worshiped. It felt like obligation—this is what I was created for, and I have to take it seriously. AJ felt the same pressure. The temple represented the ultimate goal: exaltation, eternal family, and eternal progression. Getting to the temple—and staying worthy—was everything. Women, godhood, and the templeFor Brandi, godhood wasn’t just a “male” idea. She fully expected to become like a “Heavenly Mother,” even though Heavenly Mother was rarely discussed in Mormonism. Eternity was tied to temple marriage, which meant finding the right husband wasn’t optional—it was essential. That belief raised the stakes on dating, college decisions, and life itself. Utah vs. California MormonismAJ grew up in Utah, where Mormonism was normal and rarely questioned. Brandi grew up in California, constantly interacting with non-Mormons and Christians who challenged her beliefs. Instead of weakening her faith, that pressure made her more confident and outspoken. Brandi actively debated theology, defended the Restoration, and gave Book of Mormons to friends and teachers—believing she was sharing something life-changing. BYU and the pressure to marryAt BYU Provo, the urgency intensified. Brandi describes the dating culture as competitive and stressful. Being single as a junior or senior felt like failure. Marriage wasn’t just about love—it was about eternity. When Brandi and AJ began dating, the pressure followed them into engagement. Brandi admits she feared something tragic might happen before they were sealed in the temple. Eternity felt fragile, dependent on timing, worthiness, and obedience. Garments, worthiness, and spiritual pressureBrandi explains receiving her endowment and garments—milestones she had looked forward to for years. They symbolized progress toward exaltation. Yet at the same time, she felt uncomfortable with the legalism and image-driven culture she saw in Utah Mormonism. She loved Mormon theology and the idea of living the “higher law,” but she also felt suffocated by expectations to look perfect and hide weakness. The first cracksNeither Brandi nor AJ were looking to leave Mormonism. They loved it. Their families were all in. But cracks began to form. AJ’s started when he learned about blood atonement in a BYU religion class—something he had never heard despite years in the church. It forced him to reconsider the claim that prophets would never teach error. Brandi’s concerns began with leadership decisions and perceived contradictions. Those questions eventually led them to consider researching issues more deeply—something they had been taught to avoid. They describe that moment as frightening and disorienting. Looking outside approved sources felt wrong, even sinful. But once they started asking honest questions, everything changed. The episode ends on a cliffhanger as Brandi and AJ stand at the edge of a journey they never planned to take.

    45 min

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