Funding Bravely

Marvin L. Smith
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A podcast about courage in philanthropy - what it looks like, why it matters, and how we grow it. This series shines a light on leaders who are working at the edge of change, disrupting entrenched power dynamics, and seeding new collaborations in service of justice-rooted, values-driven philanthropy. It also challenges philanthropy’s outdated models of risk and pace, pushing the field to move from slow strategy to bold action.

Episodes

  1. Aug 13

    DAFs at a Crossroads Episode 3: Patient Capital, Impatient Mindset: Building What the Field Won't

    Magda Guillén Swanson helped build the architecture of DAFs from the inside at Vanguard Charitable, one of the country's largest sponsors. Now she's pointing out what the system still hasn't delivered. And she's building Familia Fund to prove it can. In this episode of Funding Bravely, host Marvin Smith sits down with Magda Guillen Swanson, general partner at Familia Fund and former head of innovation at Vanguard Charitable, to ground the structural critique of donor-advised funds in lived experience and clear-eyed possibility. Magda traces her arc from a small rural town on the South Texas border, to the trading floors of Merrill Lynch in London and New York, to the design rooms of one of the largest DAF sponsors in the country. Along the way, she came to believe that financial instruments are infrastructure and that the people in every node of that infrastructure are shaped by what those instruments incentivize and what they don't. This conversation unpacks: Why the implicit bargain of DAFs -- public benefit in exchange for tax benefit --isn't complete until the money actually moves What it actually looks like inside a major DAF sponsor when you try to bring creativity to a static instrument The COVID moment when Vanguard Charitable's donors couldn't find frontline nonprofits and how Magda's team built a solution to address it Why the next chapter of DAFs isn't grants, it's recyclable, community-sovereign capital How Familia Fund is using a DAF-based fund to invest in underrepresented founders The cost of being a "gate breaker" inside entrenched systems Magda's line that stayed with me: "Patient capital with an impatient mindset is the most powerful mix of all." This is a conversation about whether we have the imagination and the courage to make DAFs honor the bargain we already wrote into our tax code.

  2. Jul 29

    DAFs at a Crossroads Episode 2: Designing for Generosity: What DAFs Could be Built to Do

    What if the conversation about donor-advised funds has been missing the point entirely? Sarah Angello has spent two decades inside philanthropy. Early in her career, she partnered with a microfinance fund for women entrepreneurs in Uganda, learning what indefatigable courage looks like on the ground. From there, she went on to become a chief development officer in San Francisco and a software entrepreneur, before co-founding Daffodil to build what the next generation of giving actually requires. She wants us to stop thinking about DAFs as transactions and start thinking about them as habits. In Episode 2 of the Funding Bravely DAF mini-series, Sarah joins host Marvin Smith to open the season by lifting up what donor-advised funds genuinely make possible. This conversation unpacks: Why the average DAF balance is around $90K, not millions, and why that changes everything about how we should design for these donorsWhy DAFs pay out at 20 to 25% on average while foundations pay out at 8% (including operating costs)What the next generation of donors actually wants, and why it isn't transactionsThe DoorDash test: why charitable giving should feel as engaged and visible as ordering groceriesWhy financial advisors who talk to clients about generosity have happier, stickier, longer relationshipsWhat courage looks like for a fundraiser, and why a workshop on NOs (as in, "no.") might be the best training of her careerWhy philanthropic technology has been an afterthought, and what it would take to design it on purpose This isn't an anti-DAF conversation. It's making a case for what DAFs could become if we designed them for generosity instead of for tax windows. Resources Mentioned: Daffodil — getdaffodil.com Over the coming weeks of the DAF mini-series, hear from voices inside DAF sponsorship, on the frontlines of reparative philanthropy, and from a DAF holder who has been spending one down on purpose for sixteen years. Subscribe to Funding Bravely so you don't miss the rest of the arc. 🎙️ ABOUT THE PODCAST Funding Bravely surfaces the unseen courage of leaders challenging power, moving money faster, and reshaping pathways to impact in partnership with communities. The DAF mini-series, DAFs at a Crossroads: Moving Money at the Speed of Need, asks what it would take to move the $330B+ already committed to good with the urgency this moment requires. Hosted by Marvin Smith. Subscribe if you're ready to fund more bravely.

  3. Jul 16

    DAFs at a Crossroads Episode 1: Built to Park: DAFs, Design, and the Case for Urgency

    Three hundred and thirty billion dollars. Already called charitable. Tax deductions already claimed. Communities still waiting. This is the opening episode of Funding Bravely's first dedicated mini-series and it starts with a provocation most philanthropy conversations won't touch. Donor-advised funds weren't designed to move money to communities. They were designed to park it. In this solo episode, Funding Bravely host Marvin Smith opens the DAF mini-series — DAFs at a Crossroads: Moving Money at the Speed of Need — by doing what the field rarely does: telling the origin story of donor-advised funds honestly. It starts in Dallas, earlier in Marvin's career, doing fundraising work alongside a community foundation. On paper, the infrastructure was there - assets under management, donors in relationship, money already committed to charitable purposes. But what he kept running into was distance. A gap between where dollars sat and where organizations actually doing the work were. And an incentive structure quietly shaped by how many funds the foundation held, not how much they moved. That experience and the structural question it raised is why this series exists. This episode covers: What a donor-advised fund actually is and how to think about it clearlyThe history of DAFs: from community foundations in the 1930s to Fidelity's 1991 turning pointWhy the average DAF account holds around $90K and why this is a mainstream infrastructure problem, not just a billionaire oneThe origin story most people skip: DAFs were designed as tax optimization vehicles first. The philanthropic framing came later.There is no legal requirement that DAF assets ever leave the accountWhy the explosive growth of DAFs is a sign that wealth preservation dressed as generosity is working exactly as designedThe five questions this series will carry and what it would take to answer them Resource Mentioned: DAF Research Collaborative: Annual DAF Report 2025 🎙️ ABOUT THE PODCAST Funding Bravely surfaces the unseen courage of leaders challenging power, moving money faster, and reshaping pathways to impact in partnership with communities. The DAF mini-series — DAFs at a Crossroads: Moving Money at the Speed of Need — asks what it would take to move the $330B+ already committed to good with the urgency this moment requires. Hosted by Marvin Smith. Subscribe if you're ready to fund more bravely. Comment with what surprised you most about the origin story of DAFs. Share with someone who holds a DAF or advises someone who does.

  4. Jan 29

    Funders Say They Understand. Nonprofits Strongly Disagree

    93% of funders think they understand the challenges their grantees face. Only 53% of nonprofits agree. That 40% gap isn't just a number—it's an existential threat to the sector. And Dr. Elisha Smith Arrillaga has the data to prove it. In this episode of Funding Bravely, host Marvin Smith sits down with Dr. Elisha Smith Arrillaga—Vice President of Research at Center for Effective Philanthropy—to talk about what happens when data meets courage. Elisha's story begins in Mississippi. Her mom filed a lawsuit against the city for employment discrimination—and won. Those anti-discrimination laws are still in place today. Her dad worked at the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission in Birmingham during the civil rights era. Her grandmother was the first Black worker in a factory in a small Mississippi town. "I stand on the shoulders of my parents and grandparents," Elisha says. "It's a privilege to do this work." And she's doing it with urgency. Because the data is screaming: 81% of nonprofits have experienced or anticipate increased demand for services68% of nonprofits say the current context has negatively impacted their ability to do their work61% of nonprofits face moderate to significant risk to their ability to continue operating Meanwhile, funders think they understand. But there's a 40% gap between how funders perceive their understanding and how nonprofits experience it. "If we're all trying to solve the same societal issues," Elisha says, "it's a problem if we have different understandings of what those are." This conversation unpacks: Why data is a mirror—holding up truths we may not want to seeHow CEP turned around survey data in 10 days (not 6 months) to make it actionableThe 40% perception gap between funders and nonprofitsWhy funders need to listen AND act, not just listenHow to make data a conversation starter, not an endpointWhy joy is essential to leadership (even in dark times)How to think about data as movement infrastructureWhat distinguishes courageous foundation leaders right now "Data is only powerful if people engage with it in the moment they need it," Elisha says. This episode is a call to action. Not just to look at the numbers. But to do something about them. TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Data as a mirror: Holding up truths we don't want to see3:00 - Civil rights legacy: Her mom sued for discrimination and won6:00 - Why she fell in love with data as a tool for equity10:00 - CEP's bold move: Making data public and moving conversations out of closed doors14:00 - Navigating pushback: "Are you being too hard on the sector?"18:00 - As a Black woman in data: Why she feels the need to show more evidence22:00 - Data as a conversation starter, not an authority26:00 - Turning data around in 10 days (not 6 months): Why speed matters30:00 - THE NUMBERS: 81% increased demand, 68% negative impact, 61% existential risk34:00 - The 40% gap: Funders think they understand. Nonprofits disagree.38:00 - What distinguishes courageous foundation leaders right now42:00 - How she leads with joy (even in crisis)46:00 - Data as movement infrastructure50:00 - Her call to funders: Listen AND act

  5. 2025-12-23

    Torchbearers Shine When It's Dark Out featuring Darren Isom

    "I don't know if we're going to win, but we got our best people working on it." Darren Isom grew up as part of "Generation Integration" in New Orleans, the only generation between legal segregation and white flight. Now, he's helping philanthropy understand that it's not the strategist. It's the servant. This conversation will change how you think about courage, joy, and who gets to build the future. In this episode of Funding Bravely, host Marvin Smith sits down with Darren Isom, partner at Bridgespan Group and host of Dreaming in Color, to explore what courage looks like when you realize the world you normalized was actually radical. Darren takes us back to 1980s New Orleans, where his parents met integrating a white high school (his mom is the same age as Ruby Bridges). He grew up singing the Beatles with Ms. Ziegler, a Black teacher with an afro "too late to be wearing one," in a school that was one-third Black, one-third white, one-third other, a world built on the belief that integration, not assimilation, was possible. That upbringing shaped everything about how he works today. This conversation unpacks: Why joy and optimism are acts of resistance, especially for Black AmericansThe moment funders realize: "You thought you were Gryffindor, but you might be a Death Eater"Why private sector rules don't transfer to nonprofit work (and never did)How younger generations are asking: How do we repair the harm our wealth created?Why this moment mirrors post-Reconstruction—and what the Harlem Renaissance teaches us about planting seedsThe shift from funders as strategists to funders as servants with proximity to impactWhy Black genius, when given space to create (not just navigate broken things), creates beautiful things Darren reminds us: "Our torchbearers are most important when it's dark out." This isn't about protecting systems. It's about building new ones.  TIMESTAMPS 0:00 - Joy and optimism as acts of resistance4:00 - Growing up as "Generation Integration" in New Orleans8:00 - His parents met integrating a white high school (mom is Ruby Bridges' age)12:00 - The Willow School: Singing Beatles, normalizing Black excellence16:00 - How naming shapes power in philanthropy20:00 - The shift: Funders as servants, not strategists24:00 - "You might be a Death Eater": When funders realize their wealth caused harm28:00 - A billion dollars is 1,000 millions—so why are we fighting over $100K grants?32:00 - "This is what winning looks like" (Irvishie Vait's wisdom)36:00 - Bright spots: High-network donors spending down, not hoarding40:00 - Post-Reconstruction parallels: Planting seeds we won't see grow44:00 - Where Darren finds community and why Black Americans seek beauty48:00 - "Torchbearers shine when it's dark out" RESOURCES MENTIONED • Dreaming in Color podcast (5 seasons available) • Sherrilyn Ifill's piece on post-Reconstruction parallels • Donors of Color Network

  6. 2025-12-10

    Silencing Truth Is a Red Flag. Dimple Abichandani on the Courage Philanthropy Needs

    What if everything you've been told about philanthropy is actually designed to preserve inequality? Dimple Abichandani spent 20 years inside the sector and she's here to tell you how it really works. This conversation will change how you see wealth, power, and who gets to decide what justice looks like. In this episode of Funding Bravely, host Marvin Smith sits down with Dimple Abichandani, philanthropic leader, lawyer, and author of A New Era of Philanthropy to unpack a question that's been haunting the sector: Can philanthropy actually meet this moment? Dimple takes us back to her college days at UT Austin, where she learned what courage really costs. Then she pulls back the curtain on 140 years of "gilded philanthropy," a system designed not to solve problems, but to cover them up. From Andrew Carnegie's legacy to today's $1.9 trillion sitting in endowments, this conversation exposes: - Why spending only 5% annually preserves the status quo - How tech billionaires use foundations to whitewash harm - What "transformative alchemy" looks like when you mix capital with trust, imagination, and community voice - Practices that actually redistribute power (not just resources) This isn't about tweaking the system. It's about transforming wealth into justice.

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A podcast about courage in philanthropy - what it looks like, why it matters, and how we grow it. This series shines a light on leaders who are working at the edge of change, disrupting entrenched power dynamics, and seeding new collaborations in service of justice-rooted, values-driven philanthropy. It also challenges philanthropy’s outdated models of risk and pace, pushing the field to move from slow strategy to bold action.

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  • Creator
    Marvin L. Smith
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    6
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2025 Marvin L. Smith
  • Show Website
    Funding Bravely