Home Care Hindsight

David Knack

Welcome to Home Care Hindsight, where we dive deep into the lessons learned and strategies developed by home care providers to build a resilient and dedicated workforce. Powered by Ava, this podcast is your go-to resource for insights on retaining caregivers, reducing turnover, and optimizing your operations. Join us as we share real stories, expert advice, and practical tips that help you keep your caregivers happy and your business thriving.

  1. The 2026 Recruiting Playbook: Less No-Shows and More Conversations — Rachel Gartner

    3D AGO

    The 2026 Recruiting Playbook: Less No-Shows and More Conversations — Rachel Gartner

    Rachel Gartner, CEO of Carework, joins host David Knack to discuss the state of recruiting in 2026. Rachel shares her big mistake of running the old 2025 playbook where relying on free Indeed job postings and scheduling interviews caused massive inefficiencies. She explains how using AI to automatically schedule interviews actually caused her recruiters' live phone time to plummet. Instead of playing phone tag, Carework now uses AI to filter out unqualified applicants and immediately transfer ready caregivers to a live human. Lesson Takeaways: 1. Texting is Out, Calling is In: Texting engages caregivers but lacks commitment. Using AI to call candidates scales efficiently and connects you with applicants who are actually ready to work. 2. Stop Scheduling Interviews: Automated scheduling leads to massive no show rates and lowers recruiter efficiency. Instead, use AI to qualify candidates and transfer them live to a human. 3. Treat Scheduled Interviews as Missed Calls: If a candidate schedules a time, do not wait for the appointment. Call them right away because the first agency to offer a job usually wins. 4. Free Indeed Ads No Longer Work: You can no longer dump free job posts and hope for results. Agencies must sponsor their ads and stay in contact with their Indeed reps. 5. Let AI Handle Unqualified Calls: Recruiters burn out answering unqualified applicants or people ordering fast food. AI filters these out so your team only talks to qualified caregivers.  Timestamps: 00:00 — Introduction to the 2026 recruiting playbook 02:29 — Rachel introduces Carework and staff recruiting 06:41 — The big mistake of relying on free Indeed ads 09:57 — Why caregivers are completely comfortable with AI 11:40 — The hot take that texting is out and calling is in 15:55 — Why scheduling interviews ruins recruiter efficiency 18:54 — Tracking live conversations instead of booked appointments 22:20 — The frustration of no shows for high volume agencies 26:22 — High leverage emergencies versus silly caller requests 30:47 — How AI filters out applicants calling from the drive through 33:48 — Preventing burnout for the recruiters who actually care 37:22 — How the new hiring process feels like a recruiter dream Quotes: Rachel Gartner: "We're not trying to use AI here to replace humans, it actually is really helping us have more good conversations with caregivers." Rachel Gartner: "Your mindset should be, 'They tried to get in touch with us. I need to call them right now.'" David Knack: "Because AI's here, because caregivers are adopting AI, actually this provides as good or better an experience than a person did." David Knack: "A successful recruiter was a recruiter who had a calendar full of scheduled interviews, the new metric to measure is conversations." Resources: 1. Connect with Rachel Gartner on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachelgartner/ 2. Learn more about Carework: https://www.careworkus.com/ 3. Email Rachel: rachel@careworkus.com 4. Connect with David Knack on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-knack/ 5. Powered by Zingage: https://zingage.com 6. Watch this episode on Zingage's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Zingage

    41 min
  2. MAY 12

    How I Stopped Leading Without Understanding Myself and Started Building Teams That Actually Worked — Tiffany Dutcher

    Tiffany Dutcher joins host David Knack to unpack the leadership blind spots that quietly drive burnout in home care. After spending 15 years in the industry as an agency owner, franchise business coach, and now author, Tiffany shares the core lesson behind her new book, The Unfiltered Truth About Home Care: most owners are trying to scale businesses without first understanding themselves. The conversation explores Tiffany's framework of four home care owner types — Drivers, Methodicals, Humanitarians, and Connectors — and how each personality type experiences burnout differently. Tiffany explains why some owners unintentionally burn through teams, why others freeze growth through perfectionism, and why many agencies struggle because leaders keep hiring people exactly like themselves. Tiffany also discusses the dangers of "one-size-fits-all" coaching in home care, why copying another owner's playbook often backfires, and how intentionally building teams that complement your weaknesses can create healthier, more sustainable businesses. Lesson Takeaways: 1. Self-Awareness Is a Leadership Skill: Many home care owners focus on fixing operations without understanding their own tendencies first. Your leadership wiring impacts how you hire, communicate, scale, and burn out. 2. Burnout Looks Different for Every Owner Type: Drivers burn out through constant turnover and unrealistic pace. Methodicals burn out through perfectionism and indecision. Humanitarians burn out through over-giving. Connectors burn out by avoiding hard conversations and keeping the wrong people in the wrong roles. 3. Stop Hiring People Exactly Like You: Strong teams are intentionally designed with complementary strengths. Drivers need brakes. Methodicals need gas. Humanitarians need accountability. Connectors need structure and compliance support. 4. One-Size-Fits-All Playbooks Don't Work: Two owners can attend the same conference and leave with completely different results because execution depends on personality, leadership style, and team dynamics. 5. Structure Allows You to Help More People: Humanitarian leaders often resist systems because they fear losing the personal touch. But without infrastructure, growth stalls — and fewer families ultimately receive care. 6. Resumes Don't Tell the Whole Story: Hiring should focus on the deliverables of the role and the type of person wired to succeed in it, not just experience listed on paper. Timestamps: 00:00 — The emotional reality of burnout in home care 01:01 — Introducing Tiffany Dutcher and her new book 02:05 — Tiffany's unconventional path into home care 03:49 — Tiffany's biggest mistake as a leader 04:50 — The employee conversation that changed Tiffany's perspective 05:27 — Why burnout happens so often in home care 06:31 — The four home care owner personality types 07:22 — Drivers: visionary leaders who unintentionally burn through teams 08:05 — Methodicals: perfectionism, risk aversion, and frozen teams 08:47 — Humanitarians: over-giving and losing structure 09:18 — Connectors: avoiding hard conversations and accountability 10:01 — How Tiffany developed her leadership framework through coaching 11:14 — Helping owners understand the psychology behind their decisions 13:01 — Why "copying successful owners" is overrated 14:16 — The danger of comparing your business to someone else's 15:05 — Why personal awareness must come before operational fixes 15:52 — Technology, AI, and the future of home care leadership 16:30 — "You can't out-coach leadership or a bad team" 17:21 — A coaching story about balancing a methodical owner with a fast-moving salesperson 18:43 — Learning to trust complementary personalities on your team 19:15 — Why humanitarians struggle with sales and asking for business 20:42 — Why connectors often resist compliance-focused team members 22:01 — The hiring mistake most owners keep making Quotes: Tiffany Dutcher: "The biggest mistake I made was not understanding how I was wired as a leader." Tiffany Dutcher: "Everybody burns out a little bit differently. The whole point of the book is to understand where your burnout usually shows up and why." Tiffany Dutcher: "If you don't take a look at what's going on inside of you first, and you're trying to fix everything else on the outside, you're not gonna see progress." Tiffany Dutcher: "I can't out-coach leadership, and I can't out-coach a bad team." David Knack: "There's people in this business where it just feels like home care is easier for them than for other people." David Knack: "Trying to be just like somebody else without understanding who you are as a leader sounds like a recipe for disaster." Resources: 1. Connect with Tiffany Dutcher on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tiffdutcher/ 2. Watch out for The Unfiltered Truth About Home Care on Amazon 3. Connect with David Knack on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-knack/ 4. Powered by Zingage: https://zingage.com 5. Watch this episode on Zingage's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Zingage

    33 min
  3. How I Stopped Ignoring Management and Started Empowering My Team — Emily Isbell

    MAY 5

    How I Stopped Ignoring Management and Started Empowering My Team — Emily Isbell

    Emily Isbell, founder of 24/7 Solutions, joins host David Knack to discuss her career-defining mistake: assuming that strong leadership could compensate for weak management. After nearly ending her home care career due to burnout, Emily realized that passion and vision alone cannot sustain a growing agency. She opens up about learning to build systems, establish KPIs, and empower team members to become "miniature entrepreneurs." The conversation explores the critical difference between leadership (soft skills, vision) and management (structure, accountability, systems). Emily shares her four-stage framework for management maturity, from simply surviving to having team members report not just their results but their action plans for improvement. She also explains why owners cannot simply delegate management and walk away, and why self-reflection must remain a human-led process.   Lesson Takeaways: 1. You Cannot Out-Lead a Management Problem: Strong vision and passion are not enough. Believing that leadership alone will drive growth is a false assumption. You must develop concrete management skills and systems to support your team and scale your business. 2. Management Has Four Stages of Maturity: Stage one is surviving day to day. Stage two is owners reporting numbers to the team. Stage three is the team mining and reporting data back. Stage four is the team reporting their plan to improve results — this is where real empowerment lives. 3. Empower Your Team to Become Miniature Entrepreneurs: A lead scheduler should work on the scheduling department, not just in it. Give team members 3–6 KPIs, have them track results, and require them to present their own plan for improvement or doubling down on what works. 4. Don't Automate Self-Reflection: AI can surface data, but team members must type their own plans to improve. Owning the feeling of missing a goal drives accountability in ways an automated report never can. Keep the human in the loop for this critical step. 5. Management Systems Protect Your Promise to Families: When caregivers no-call no-show, families don't care whose fault it is. They care if you keep your promise. Having contingency plans, a bench of caregivers, and rapid response systems is how you honor the commitment made in the living room.   Timestamps: 00:00 — The false assumption about leadership and management 01:48 — Emily's rebrand to 24/7 Solutions and the story behind the name 03:49 — Why home care is a 24/7 business but shouldn't be a 24/7 job 05:33 — The big mistake: Being an incredible leader but sucking at management 07:44 — The difference between leadership and management (Emily's definition) 09:54 — The false assumption that management will organically happen 11:13 — Why owners hire managers but fail to hold them accountable 12:30 — What happens when management is missing: Burnout, plateauing, bottlenecking 14:08 — How to know when management is done right: Results and retention 19:28 — The four stages of management maturity in home care 26:37 — Building "pause points" into your systems to prevent bad decisions 29:11 — When Emily made the shift: 2016 burnout and the evolution to KPIs 32:44 — Why self-reflection cannot be automated (keep humans in the loop) 33:47 — Your lead scheduler needs to work on the department, not just in it 34:27 — How 24/7 Solutions helps with management systems and team empowerment Quotes: Emily Isbell: "The false assumption is that you can be a leader, have this strong passion, be a visionary, and delegate out the management practices or just believe that they'll organically happen. What's missing is owners thinking that you can out-lead that problem." Emily Isbell: "When you create a systematic pause, you're not micromanaging. You're just double checking that you're thinking through this fully. It's a system that says, let's just double check before we pull the trigger on the easy button." David Knack: "Home care is a 24/7 business, but it shouldn't be a 24/7 job. You can't get rid of the 24/7 aspect if you want a seat at the healthcare table. However, you can create systems and you don't have to burn your team out." David Knack: "Self-reflection is an inefficient process, but it's a really effective process. We need people to go through the process of figuring out what their results were and why those results were the way they were. That's a step not to skip." Resources: 1. Connect with Emily Isbell on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilyisbell/ 2. Learn more about 24 7 Solutions: https://247solutions.co/ 3. Email for free management evaluation tool: info@247solutions.co 4. Connect with David Knack on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-knack/ 5. Powered by Zingage: https://zingage.com 6. Watch this episode on Zingage's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Zingage 7. Prior conversation with Emily: https://podcasts.apple.com/be/podcast/stop-thinking-like-a-manager-when-youre-an-owner/id1766508914?i=1000669821027

    38 min
  4. How I Stopped Building a Practice and Built a Company Instead — Stephen Tweed

    APR 28

    How I Stopped Building a Practice and Built a Company Instead — Stephen Tweed

    Stephen Tweed, CEO of Leading Home Care and Founder of the Home Care CEO Forum, joins host David Knack to discuss his biggest career regret: choosing to build a solo practice instead of a scalable company. With over three decades in the industry, Stephen explains why "working on the business" rather than "in the business" is the key to long-term survival and impact. The conversation covers Stephen's philosophy on mixing work with adventure (including a memorable trip to Japan), the three major causes of 90-day caregiver turnover, and why home care owners must stop answering the phone like an administrative assistant. Stephen also shares actionable advice on developing a clear vision, systematizing operations, and shifting to a caregiver-first culture to drive growth.   Lesson Takeaways: 1. Build a Company, Not Just a Practice: Choosing to remain a solopreneur limits your resources and impact. Building a team and infrastructure allows you to serve more clients, support your community, and create a lasting legacy beyond your personal involvement . 2. Solve the "Paycheck Match" for Caregivers: Caregivers don't leave for 25 cents an hour. They leave because their paycheck doesn't match their needs. Move beyond asking "how many hours?" to asking "how much money do you need this week?" and then help them get the shifts to get there. 3. Shift from Client-First to Caregiver-First: In home care, high-quality clients follow high-quality caregivers. Prioritizing caregiver retention and satisfaction creates the capacity to deliver exceptional service, making the traditional "customer is always right" model secondary to caregiver support . 4. Work On the Business, Not In It: If you are answering every phone call or putting out every fire, you have a job, not a scalable company. Develop systems and a leadership team that allows you to focus on strategy, vision, and future-proofing your agency. 5. Don't Underrate the Phone Call: The person answering your phones is your front line. A poorly trained admin with a bad phone voice kills conversion rates. Hiring a competent phone presence who can convert callers into in-home assessments is a small fix with massive revenue consequences.   Timestamps: 00:00 — Introduction and Stephen's role in home care 01:49 — Stephen's recent trip to Japan and mixing work with play 04:27 — The role of travel and adventure in Stephen's marriage 06:05 — The big mistake: Building a practice instead of a company 09:18 — How a bigger company gives you resources for greater impact 12:03 — Moving from a "practice" mindset to a "company" mindset 15:15 — The travel story that changed Stephen's view on regret 21:51 — The most underrated thing in home care: Caregiver retention 24:04 — The three big causes of 90-day caregiver turnover 27:52 — The little mistake: Hiring the wrong person to answer phones 31:34 — How a bad phone voice kills your conversion rates 34:22 — Stephen's recent win: Transferring ownership of the CEO Forum 37:42 — How to future proof your home care business 40:52 — One trend Stephen predicted correctly: Industry consolidation 43:52 — One innovation that will have the largest impact over three years   Quotes: Stephen Tweed: "If we really want to grow a business, then we need to focus on the whole process of recruiting, selection, onboarding, training, retention…it starts with high-quality applicants."  Stephen Tweed: "A number of members have made a conscious decision…We're going to put our caregivers first. And you say that to most business people and they say, no, the customer is always first. But we're saying in this case, no, because if we can get high quality caregivers and keep them, we can get clients."  David Knack: "Get super specific about your brags. Somebody may not have the exact same situation, but they can relate to it. That specificity, even though it's not exactly what they're looking at, is way better than saying we work with lots of clients." David Knack: "You've got to stop being the 'hit by a bus' problems in our own businesses. It's gotta get out of our brains. Thanks to the innovations of AI, you can systematize that knowledge."   Resources: 1. Connect with Stephen Tweed on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephentweed/ 2. Learn more about the Home Care CEO Forum: https://homecareceo.com/ 3. Visit Leading Home Care: https://leadinghomecare.com/ 4. Connect with David Knack on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-knack/ 5. Powered by Zingage: https://zingage.com 6. Watch this episode on Zingage's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Zingage

    51 min
  5. APR 23

    Quality over Quantity - How the Right Referral Sources Make All The Difference in Home Care – Sarah Barker

    In this episode of Home Care Hindsight, host David Knack sits down with Sarah Barker, owner of Senior Care Sales Solutions, to discuss the balance between growing a home care business and managing personal priorities. Sarah shares insights from her journey, including her big mistake of attending too many networking events at the expense of family time and how she's learned to optimize her efforts. Their conversation touches on overcoming childhood trauma, the importance of strategic time management, and the role of quality over quantity in marketing relationships. Listeners will gain valuable insights into managing home care agencies, improving sales tactics, and leading a balanced professional and personal life. Lesson Takeaways: 1. Evaluate where your time goes and make sure it's propelling your business forward without sacrificing personal relationships. 2. Focusing on fewer but deeper relationships with referral sources is key to success. 3. Proper training for marketers on CRMs and tools is vital for successful adoption. 4. Balance healthcare sources with legal and financial advisors to ensure long-term stability. 5. Understand how early experiences can shape your professional approach, and work to overcome them. Timestamps: [00:00:00] Introduction to Sarah Barker and time management in home care. [00:01:15] Sarah's mission to redefine how senior care professionals approach relationships. [00:05:04] The impact of childhood trauma on professional behavior and sales efforts. [00:12:44] Sarah's biggest mistake: overcommitting to networking events. [00:17:48] The realization of time's fleeting nature and prioritizing what matters. [00:23:23] Overrated industry tools: CRMs and how to implement them properly. [00:27:00] What to look for in marketers: work ethic, curiosity, and communication competency. [00:31:00] Focusing on fewer, deeper referral relationships for long-term success. [00:35:00] Diversifying your referral portfolio: why you need both healthcare and legal/financial sources. [00:40:00] Win of the week: launching a virtual academy to make education more accessible. Quotes Sarah Barker: "You cannot get time back. The only thing you can do is decide how you're going to use your time." Sarah Barker: "Not everybody has to be your cup of tea. The quicker you learn that, the less demoralized you'll be in your efforts." David Knack: "We don't need to work with people who don't respect us—it's easy to not work with a******s." Sarah Barker: "Your referral portfolio should have both healthcare and financial advisors. It's about building depth in relationships, not just volume." Resources: 1. Connect with Sarah Barker on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahchristbarker/ 2. Learn more about Senior Care Sales Solutions: https://seniorcaresales.com/ 3. Connect Our Elders: https://connectourelders.com/ 4. Powered by Zingage: https://zingage.com 5. Watch this episode on Zingage's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Zingage

    43 min
  6. How I Stopped Fearing the Payer Mix and Scaled Referral Volume — Steven Gonzalez

    APR 15

    How I Stopped Fearing the Payer Mix and Scaled Referral Volume — Steven Gonzalez

    Steven Gonzalez, CEO of HealthView Home Health and Hospice, joins David Knack to demystify the complex world of home health and how it intersects with home care. Steven shares how he overcame the "referral problem" by realizing it was actually a payer mix and contract challenge. With a focus on patient-centered care that has earned his agency a top-25 national ranking on Fortune's Best Small Workplaces, Steven explains the clinical nuances—from wound care to physical therapy—that make home health a vital partner for non-medical home care agencies. The conversation explores the "Home Health 101" framework, detailing how agencies can better communicate to ensure patients get the right care at the right time. Steven also discusses the future of the industry, including how technology and AI are freeing up clinicians to focus on "the human stuff" that truly drives outcomes. Lesson Takeaways: 1. Master Your Payer Mix: Success in home health isn't about the number of referrals; it's about understanding contracts and reimbursement rates to ensure sustainable growth. 2. Home Care is the Eyes and Ears: Non-medical home care providers are essential partners who spot clinical declines early, allowing home health to intervene before a hospital readmission occurs. 3. Differentiate Through Specialized Clinical Care: Offering specific services like advanced wound care or high-intensity therapy sets an agency apart from competitors who only handle basic cases. 4. Focus on the "Human Stuff": Use technology to automate administrative "chores" so your team can spend more time building genuine, dignified connections with patients and families. 5. Quality Ratings Drive Referrals: Maintaining high star ratings and Great Place to Work certification creates a trust badge that hospital discharge planners and families look for first. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to the "Home Health 101" series and Steven Gonzalez 02:29 - Steven's journey from non-medical home care to leading a post-acute company 05:02 - How HealthView differentiates itself through culture in a competitive nursing market 09:13 - The day-to-day of home health: Who gets referred and why 12:45 - The real challenge: It's a payer mix problem, not a referral problem 18:20 - Why Medicare Advantage plans are squeezing home health margins 22:31 - The metrics that matter: Hospitalization, rehospitalization, and proving value 28:47 - The critical gap home care can fill in the care continuum 33:43 - How home care providers should approach partnerships with data in hand 37:56 - The exciting future of personalized medicine and AI in home-based care Quotes: Steven Gonzalez: "It's not a referral problem, it's really a payer mix problem and whether your rates are favorable or not." Steven Gonzalez: "I see home care as the eyes and ears; they are there when the clinical team is not." David Knack: "We're excited about letting technology do the chores, the laundry of the business, so we can connect with people." David Knack: "Home care agencies fit into this work by being the experts in the home on a day-to-day basis." Resources: 1. Connect with Steven Gonzalez on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevegonzalez/ 2. Learn more about HealthView Home Health: https://hvhh.com/ 3. Read Steven's articles on Inc.com: https://www.inc.com/author/steven-gonzalez 4. Connect with David Knack on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-knack/ 5. Powered by Zingage: https://zingage.com 6. Watch this episode on Zingage's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Zingage

    40 min
  7. How I Stopped Saving Everyone and Saved My Agency — Bob Roth

    APR 9

    How I Stopped Saving Everyone and Saved My Agency — Bob Roth

    Bob Roth, co-founder and managing partner of Cypress Home Care Solutions, joins host David Knack to discuss the painful mistake that nearly sank his agency: letting empathy override good business sense. After building a successful home care brand in Arizona, Bob recounts how he held onto a toxic C-suite leader for too long because of compassion, leading to a 20-person turnover in just three years. In this candid re-release, Bob reveals how his greatest strength (being a caring, compassionate person) is also his greatest weakness. He shares why home care owners must fire fast even when it hurts, how he rebooted Cypress from 18 to 157 caregivers in under a year, and why he believes the term "non-medical" is holding the industry back. Bob also offers hard truths about Medicare Advantage, the new GUIDE program, and why you should stop feeding discharge planners lunch.   Lesson Takeaways: 1. Kindness Without Boundaries Hurts Your Team: Empathy is an asset, but tolerating underperformance from a trusted leader because you "feel bad" leads to a mass exodus of good staff. You can't save everyone without sinking the ship.  2. Reframe What You Are, Not What You Aren't: Calling our trade "non-medical" or "non-skilled" tells the world what we are not. We provide "in home supportive care services." To get a seat at the healthcare table, we must act and speak like medical partners.  3. Don't Fish in the Wrong Pond (Acute Care): It is a waste of time and money to feed hospital discharge planners if you are a private-pay agency. 9 out of 10 people leaving the hospital cannot afford private care. Fish where the fish are: trust officers, foundations, and families who can pay.  4. Innovate or Become Obsolete: Post-COVID, caregivers won't come to you. You have to go to them. Using machine learning (AI) for credentialing and virtual interviewing cuts hiring time from a month to 4 days. If you stay static, you will be in the rearview mirror.    Timestamps: 01:20 – Bob's accidental start: From Gatorade and Michael Jordan to caregiving 03:35 – Redefining the industry: Why "non-medical" is a losing label 04:30 – The ice cream break: Cookies and cream vs. S'mores 05:48 – The surprising summer job as a beach lifeguard in Delaware 07:46 – The big mistake: A 20-person turnover in three years 11:38 – The toxic C-suite leader and the nine-month payout 14:33 – Strength and weakness being the same thing 15:32 – Fixing the mistake by bringing in younger leadership 15:51 – What's totally overrated in home care right now 20:27 – The "told you so" moment on Medicare Advantage 21:28 – Running a business with Medicare Advantage reimbursement 23:10 – How many respite hours dementia families actually need 26:14 – The stupid mistake: Wasting money feeding hospital planners 30:38 – How Cypress rebooted from 18 to 157 caregivers 39:25 – How to connect with Bob Roth   Quotes: David Knack: "Your greatest strength is that you're a caring, compassionate person, but your greatest weakness is that you're a caring, compassionate person." Bob Roth: "I look back at that and I wouldn't do it any differently... except I thought I would get a different response from this individual. You have to do what's right for the business, not right for humanity."  Bob Roth: "We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the healthcare continuum. We get no respect. If you call our industry non-medical, you're not going to get a seat at the table."  Bob Roth: "If I stayed the way we were in 2019, I probably wouldn't be here today. You need to innovate. You need to collaborate. If you stay static, you're going to be obsolete."   Resources: 1. Connect with Bob Roth on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-roth-b131b0/ 2. Learn more about Cypress Home Care Solutions: https://www.cypresshomecare.com/  3. Email Bob directly: bobroth@cypresshomecare.com 4. Read Bob's article on innovation in HomeCare Magazine  5. Connect with David Knack on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-knack/ 6. Powered by Zingage: https://zingage.com 7. Watch this episode on Zingage's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Zingage

    41 min
  8. How I Stopped Hiding My Wins and Started Branding Myself — Nancy Gillette

    MAR 31

    How I Stopped Hiding My Wins and Started Branding Myself — Nancy Gillette

    Nancy Gillette, Chief Growth Officer at Pocket RN, joins host David Knack to discuss her career-defining mistake: never promoting herself or building a personal brand despite accomplishing extraordinary things. With over 20 years in home care and home health, Nancy opens up about how she quietly won for two decades, letting her companies' successes overshadow her own contributions, and how that limited the opportunities that came her way. The conversation dives deep into the groundbreaking CMS GUIDE program (Guiding an Improved Dementia Experience), which Nancy has scaled to over 2,000 provider locations across all 50 states since July 2025. She explains how GUIDE offers families 72 hours of free respite care through Medicare, creating a game-changing partnership model where home care agencies can participate without dealing with Medicare compliance. Nancy also shares why home care must shift from being staunchly non-medical to embracing collaborative healthcare partnerships, the importance of storytelling over generic brags, and why not all referrals are created equal when building a sustainable business.   Lesson Takeaways: 1. Your Wins Don't Market Themselves: Quietly winning feels safe, but it limits opportunities. People need to know what you've accomplished to connect you with the right roles, partnerships, and platforms. Share your agency's impact on families, not just generic brags about quality. 2. GUIDE Is Home Care's First Medicare Breakthrough: Medicare's GUIDE program represents a seismic shift, recognizing home care's value for the first time with 72 free respite hours annually for dementia patients. This is home care's opportunity to prove outcomes and unlock future value-based care programs. 3. Tell Specific Stories, Not Generic Claims: Anyone can say they have the best caregivers. Real impact comes from specific client stories that demonstrate how your training and approach solved actual problems. One detailed story beats a hundred vague promises about quality care. 4. Not All Referrals Build Sustainable Growth: Hospice clients cycle quickly, creating a hamster wheel of constant replacement. Focus on dementia and Parkinson's clients who need escalating care over time. Sticky clients with progressive conditions create predictable, sustainable revenue streams. 5. Move Beyond Non-Medical to Become Healthcare Partners: Home care's future requires embracing non-medical interventions within scope of practice. Teaching caregivers about low-salt diets for CHF patients or reinforcing PT exercises prevents hospitalizations and positions home care as true healthcare collaborators.   Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction and overview of Pocket RN's virtual nursing model 01:49 – What is the GUIDE program and how does it work? 06:37 – The big mistake: Never promoting myself or building my brand 09:16 – Building a national network: 0 to 2,000 locations since July 2025 12:22 – The power of specific storytelling over generic brags 14:50 – Why GUIDE represents a seismic shift for home care and Medicare 18:03 – Teaching caregivers non-medical interventions to prevent hospitalizations 21:53 – The little mistake: Chasing the wrong kinds of referrals 25:00 – Staying connected to impact to prevent compassion fatigue 28:21 – Recent win: GUIDE creating 24/7 private pay referrals for partners   Quotes: Nancy Gillette: "I really never promoted myself. I didn't try to brand myself as the engine behind the growth. I used to always want to sort of quietly win. Opportunities present themselves when people know what you have done and accomplished." Nancy Gillette: "You can teach anyone anything about this business. You can't make people care about someone else's mother. Either you care or you don't, and you can't fake that. You can feel when people are trying to help you." Nancy Gillette: "People used to look me straight in the eye and say home care is not healthcare. And I used to say, boy are you wrong. Medicare putting any dollars at all into home care is a seismic shift." David Knack: "Get super specific about your brags. Somebody may not have the exact same situation, but they can relate to it. That specificity, even though it's not exactly what they're looking at, is way better than saying we work with lots of clients."   Resources: 1. Connect with Nancy Gillette on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancy-gillette-b15487183/ 2. Learn more about Pocket RN: https://www.pocketrn.com/ 3. Home Care Agencies - Partner with Pocket RN: sales@pocketrn.com 4. Families - Learn about GUIDE: guide@pocketrn.com 5. Connect with David Knack on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-knack/ 6. Powered by Zingage: https://zingage.com 7. Watch this episode on Zingage's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Zingage

    31 min

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Welcome to Home Care Hindsight, where we dive deep into the lessons learned and strategies developed by home care providers to build a resilient and dedicated workforce. Powered by Ava, this podcast is your go-to resource for insights on retaining caregivers, reducing turnover, and optimizing your operations. Join us as we share real stories, expert advice, and practical tips that help you keep your caregivers happy and your business thriving.

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