The Luella Jonk Show

Dr. Luella Jonk, PhD

From the therapy room of a registered psychotherapist, dating coach and solopreneur who has tirelessly attempted a 'healthy' work-life balance for 25 years, it rarely existed for me and likely does not for most business owners, entrepreneurs and executives. The truth is relationships can really suffer. I will be interviewing expert guests who are doing things right so we can all learn to mix business with pleasure. Topics will range from building better relationships, connection, dating, and how to spread more kindness and compassion towards others while doing so. Listeners, you have the right to have passion surrounding your work while maintaining passionate relationships. You can have your cake and eat it too. New episodes premiere every Tuesday.

  1. Episode #71: Relationship Wisdom on the PLANTSTRONG Podcast with Rip Esselstyn

    -2 J

    Episode #71: Relationship Wisdom on the PLANTSTRONG Podcast with Rip Esselstyn

    In this unique episode, I'm switching chairs—I'm the guest! Rip Esselstyn invited me onto his PLANTSTRONG Podcast to discuss marriage, relationships, and how couples navigate health changes together. If you've been following my show, you know I don't subscribe to just one way of doing things, whether it's diet or relationships. So when Rip reached out, I was thrilled to share my perspective with his plant-strong community. This conversation was particularly meaningful because we tackled something many of his listeners face: the household divided. What happens when one partner is ready to embrace a whole food, plant-based lifestyle, but the other wants to keep eating "like a man"? How do you navigate that without turning dinner into a battleground? I'll walk you through: ✅ My 12 core principles for lasting marriage—from partnership over individualism to sacrifice and mercy ✅ Why marriage is about "we" not "I" and how modern culture's obsession with individualism is sabotaging relationships ✅ The real meaning of commitment as a covenant (not a contract you can negotiate your way out of) ✅ Why intimacy goes far beyond the physical and how to avoid transactional relationships ✅ How to rebuild trust after infidelity and why longer relationships have better odds of healing ✅ The importance of parenting as a unified team (even when you were raised completely differently) ✅ Why financial unity means "our money"—not "my money" or doling out allowances ✅ The power of modeling behavior and curiosity when partners are divided on lifestyle changes ✅ Why acts of love matter more than grand gestures and how forgiveness is always a choice 🔔 Remember: Marriage requires constant sacrifice. It's not 50/50—it's 100/100. And when couples stop focusing solely on "me" and start serving each other, that's when the flywheel of love, mercy, and sacrifice begins to turn beautifully. Whether you're navigating dietary differences with your spouse, struggling with parenting decisions, or simply trying to keep your marriage thriving in our hyper-individualistic culture, this conversation offers practical wisdom grounded in 25 years of counseling thousands of couples. ======================================================== Follow Rip Esselstyn and PLANTSTRONG: Website: https://plantstrongpodcast.com Instagram: @ripesselstyn, @goplantstrong

    50 min
  2. Episode #70: Katy Faust, Carrie Gress & Ester Munt-Brooks on Reclaiming Masculine and Feminine Design

    7 OCT.

    Episode #70: Katy Faust, Carrie Gress & Ester Munt-Brooks on Reclaiming Masculine and Feminine Design

    In this powerhouse roundtable, three previous guests return to tackle the confusion eroding modern marriages and families. Children's rights advocate Katy Faust, philosopher Carrie Gress, and Catholic educator Ester Munt-Brooks bring decades of combined wisdom on what happens when we abandon the complementary nature of masculine and feminine roles—and why getting this right is essential for thriving relationships. From my therapy room, I'm witnessing a pattern: women burnt out from trying to be everything, men who've lost their sense of purpose, and children caught in the chaos of blended families and broken homes. This conversation cuts through the cultural noise to reveal timeless truths about how men and women are designed to work together, not against each other. I'll walk you through: ✅ Why autonomy has become an idol for women—and how feminism functions as a "shadow church" promising fulfillment through independence ✅ The essence of masculinity and femininity: men as initiators, women as justifiers—and how this pattern plays out in everything from marriage to work to faith ✅ How women can reclaim their role without becoming dependent—the difference between weakness and wise interdependence ✅ Why men need admiration and women need adoration—and what happens when these fundamental needs go unmet ✅ The devastating impact on children when mothers and fathers are treated as optional or interchangeable ✅ Practical wisdom for single parents navigating the reality of a missing parent figure ✅ Why male headship in the home and church isn't about domination—it's about Protection, provision, and creating spaces where families can flourish Whether you're exhausted from trying to "retire your husband," feeling like you've lost yourself in your marriage, or wondering if there's a better way to structure your home life, this conversation offers a radically counter-cultural vision. These three women remind us that the path to peace isn't found in erasing differences between men and women—it's found in celebrating and leveraging them. 🔔 Remember: You can be educated, accomplished, and passionate about your work while honoring the distinct design of masculinity and femininity. The question isn't whether women are capable—it's whether we're willing to embrace what actually leads to fulfillment. ======================================================== Katy Faust's relevant links: Website: https://thembeforeus.com/X: @Advo_Katy and @ThemBeforeUsInstagram: @katyfaustofficial and @them_before_usBooks: "Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke City" and "Pro-Child Politics" Ester Munt-Brooks' relevant links: Website: https://fevaloryalegria.orgInstagram: @faithwithjoytalks Carrie Gress' relevant links: Instagram: @theologyofhome and @carrie.gressWebsites: https://www.carriegress.com/ and https://www.theologyofhome.com

    1 h 16 min
  3. Episode #69: Course Sneak Peek - The 'I vs We' Problem

    30 SEPT.

    Episode #69: Course Sneak Peek - The 'I vs We' Problem

    In this solo episode, I'm sharing something close to my heart - a core teaching from my new Conjugal Love course that challenges everything our culture tells us about marriage and relationships. If you think marriage is supposed to be all roses and rainbows, I have news for you: you're setting yourself up for failure. I dive deep into the dangerous myth of individualism in marriage and why the moment you said "I do," it actually transformed into "we do." Yet most of us slip back into "I" thinking faster than we can blink, and our culture is constantly reinforcing this independence mentality that's poisoning our marriages. Here's what I unpack in this episode: ✅ Why suffering and love are inseparable - and why I'd be worried if your relationship doesn't have challenges ✅ The truth about marriage as a covenant, not a contract - it's actually a triad with God at the center ✅ Real-life examples of where "I vs We" shows up: quality time, finances, parenting decisions, and household responsibilities ✅ Why keeping score in your marriage will destroy it - and what to do instead during different seasons of life ✅ The powerful puzzle piece analogy that changed how I view Christian marriage ✅ A practical Gottman exercise called "Dreams Within Conflict" that moves you from "I" to "we" thinking ✅ Why partnership doesn't mean sameness - it means unity through differences As a therapist for 25 years, I've seen too many couples trying to outdo each other instead of carrying the cross together. Our strengths aren't meant to make us independent - they're designed to complement each other. I'm not ashamed of my weaknesses (don't put me near IKEA furniture!), and you shouldn't be either. This episode will challenge you to catch yourself when you slip into modern "I" thinking and ask instead: "How can I turn this into a moment of we?" Because marriage isn't two people trying to win - it's two people becoming one flesh, interlocked like puzzle pieces that can't move without affecting the other. If you're tired of the cultural lie that you can "do it all on your own," this episode is for you. And yes, I tell you the truth even when it sounds grim - that's just who I am. 🔔 Remember: You cannot live as one flesh if you keep protecting your own turf. Unity demands sacrifice, humility, and daily surrender to what's best for "us," not just "me." ======================================================== Ready to see your marriage completely differently? My new 12-module course on conjugal love isn't about fixing your relationship - it's about discovering what marriage actually is. For less than the cost of one therapy session ($140 Canadian), you and your partner get lifetime access to transformational content that reveals marriage as God intended it: a sacred mystery that sanctifies you both. Each module includes a short video, digestible reading, discussion prompts, and practical exercises, plus live Q&A sessions with me. This is for busy couples who want to reconnect in the evenings and turn their ordinary moments into extraordinary grace. Once you see marriage as a sacrament rather than a contract, you can't unsee it - and everything changes. Course Information: 12 modules released every three weeks starting October 1stIncludes live Q&A sessions and lifetime accessClick here to access the link to the course!Alternative Link: https://luellajonk.thrivecart.com/introduction-a-course-in-conjugal-love/

    38 min
  4. Episode #68: Best Snippets of My Marriage Course - A Course in Conjugal Love

    23 SEPT.

    Episode #68: Best Snippets of My Marriage Course - A Course in Conjugal Love

    In this special solo episode, I'm sharing the most transformative moments from my new 12-module course on conjugal love. After 25 years as a therapist and coach, I've discovered that most of us have been viewing marriage completely wrong - and once you see it as God intended, everything changes. I'll walk you through: ✅ Why trust is the holy cornerstone of marriage, not performance or perfection ✅ How to give from your strengths instead of burning out trying to be both sexes ✅ The counterintuitive truth that sacrifice deepens love and creates fulfillment ✅ Why the "acts of love" matter more than passion during life's daily grind ✅ How to offer up your suffering instead of resenting difficult seasons ✅ The difference between respectful accountability and toxic controlling behaviors ✅ Why silence with your spouse is sacred space where God speaks most clearly ✅ How to navigate financial independence while building complete marital trust This isn't about fixing your relationship - it's about discovering what marriage actually is. When you stop seeing marriage as a contract and start experiencing it as a sacrament, the transformation is undeniable. Your ordinary moments become extraordinary grace. Whether you're in the exhausting middle years juggling careers and young children, struggling with perpetual conflicts, or feeling disconnected from your spouse, these insights reveal how to find the sacred in the everyday chaos of married life. 🔔 Remember: Marriage is not broken because it's hard - it's working. God doesn't call you to feelings; He calls you to faithfulness. Your marriage was never meant to be ordinary. ======================================================== Ready to see your marriage completely differently? My new 12-module course on conjugal love isn't about fixing your relationship - it's about discovering what marriage actually is. For less than the cost of one therapy session ($140 Canadian), you and your partner get lifetime access to transformational content that reveals marriage as God intended it: a sacred mystery that sanctifies you both. Each module includes a short video, digestible reading, discussion prompts, and practical exercises, plus live Q&A sessions with me. This is for busy couples who want to reconnect in the evenings and turn their ordinary moments into extraordinary grace. Once you see marriage as a sacrament rather than a contract, you can't unsee it - and everything changes. Course Information: 12 modules released every three weeks starting October 1stIncludes live Q&A sessions and lifetime accessClick here to access the link to the course!Alternative Link: https://luellajonk.thrivecart.com/introduction-a-course-in-conjugal-love/

    38 min
  5. Episode #67: Marriage as Sacred Mystery

    16 SEPT.

    Episode #67: Marriage as Sacred Mystery

    In this special solo episode, I'm sharing the introduction to my new course on conjugal love - because I believe it could completely transform how you see your relationship. After 25 years as a therapist and coach, I've realized most of us enter marriage with no clue what it actually is, and it's so much more profound than we imagine. This course introduction covers: ✅ Why my priest insisted I charge for this course (spoiler: free doesn't create commitment) ✅ How discovering what the Catholic Church truly teaches about marriage changed everything for me ✅ Why marriage isn't primarily about personal happiness - it's about becoming a saint ✅ The revolutionary concept of your home as a "domestic church" where ordinary tasks become extraordinary ✅ How every act of forgiveness, every exhausted meal prep, every moment you stay when leaving feels easier becomes a channel for God's grace ✅ Why your dinner table can literally become an altar and your daily sacrifices participate in redemption itself This isn't another communication skills program or date night checklist. This is about stepping into what Saint Paul calls the mystery of marriage - something so profound it can only be compared to Christ's love for the church. When we understand marriage as a sacrament, even our struggles have deep meaning. The course is designed for busy couples who want to reconnect - 12 modules for $140 Canadian, easily digestible, with live Q&As and lifetime access. 🔔 Remember: We live in a discipline-deficient world. Maybe the challenge you need is surrendering to see your marriage not as a contract, but as a pathway to holiness. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. ======================================================== Ready to see your marriage completely differently? My new 12-module course on conjugal love isn't about fixing your relationship - it's about discovering what marriage actually is. For less than the cost of one therapy session ($140 Canadian), you and your partner get lifetime access to transformational content that reveals marriage as God intended it: a sacred mystery that sanctifies you both. Each module includes a short video, digestible reading, discussion prompts, and practical exercises, plus live Q&A sessions with me. This is for busy couples who want to reconnect in the evenings and turn their ordinary moments into extraordinary grace. Once you see marriage as a sacrament rather than a contract, you can't unsee it - and everything changes. Course Information: 12 modules released every three weeks starting October 1st Includes live Q&A sessions and lifetime access Website: https://luellajonk.com/the-course-in-conjugal-love/

    23 min
  6. Episode #66: 25 Years of Marriage Therapy Taught Me This

    9 SEPT.

    Episode #66: 25 Years of Marriage Therapy Taught Me This

    Ready to transform your relationship? My brand new course "The Course in Conjugal Love" launches October 1st! This isn't about more information - it's about transformation. Get on the waitlist: https://luellajonk.com/the-course-in-conjugal-love/ I'm pulling back the curtain on 25 years of relationship therapy to share what I've really learned about making marriage work. After reflecting on hundreds of couples I've counseled and my own journey as a Catholic therapist, I'm ready to tell you the uncomfortable truth: most marriage advice is overcomplicated nonsense that misses the point entirely. I'll walk you through: ✅ Why I might be stepping away from traditional therapy (and what's driving this major life shift) ✅ The simple wisdom I learned from a Hawkins Cheezies executive about keeping life uncomplicated ✅ Why sacrificial love—not perfect communication skills—is what actually saves marriages ✅ The real reason your spirit is willing but your flesh is weak (hint: it's biblical and practical) ✅ How treating your body as a temple directly impacts your marriage attraction and longevity ✅ Why I'm launching "A Course in Conjugal Love" and how it's different from every other program out there ✅ The shocking truth about why younger marriages often work better than we think This isn't your typical relationship episode filled with feel-good validation. I'm done with that approach. Instead, I'm sharing the raw, honest guidance that comes from sitting across from real couples in crisis and watching what actually transforms relationships versus what just makes people feel better temporarily. Whether you're dating, newlywed, or married for decades, this episode will challenge everything you think you know about relationship success. I'm talking about getting back to the foundational rules that have existed since the dawn of time—equal dignity, distinct roles, and keeping God at the center of your union. 🔔 Remember: Keep God at the center, know your roles, and love through sacrifice—even when you don't feel like it. Marriage doesn't need 100 strategies; it needs these foundational truths.

    44 min
  7. Episode #65: Saint Paul's Blueprint for Modern Marriage

    2 SEPT.

    Episode #65: Saint Paul's Blueprint for Modern Marriage

    Ready to transform your relationship? My brand new course "The Course in Conjugal Love" launches October 1st! This isn't about more information - it's about transformation. Get on the waitlist: https://luellajonk.com/the-course-in-conjugal-love/ In this deeply personal solo episode recorded on the Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul, I'm diving into why Saint Paul - who was never married - has become my anchor for understanding love and perseverance in marriage. As a relationship therapist for 25 years, I've discovered that this warrior-athlete apostle's letters contain the most powerful blueprint for covenant love I've ever encountered. Saint Paul was incredibly strong - both Greek and Jew - who lived the life of covenant even outside marriage. His words have become my lens for what marriage was always meant to be. This is kitchen-table love, not just pretty wedding verse poetry. I'll walk you through Saint Paul's three most powerful verses for marriage: ✅ "When I am weak, then I am strong" (2 Corinthians 12:10) - Why this should be posted on every man's locker room wall, and how Saint Paul redefines biblical strength ✅ "Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things and endures all things" (1 Corinthians 13:7) - Moving beyond embroidered pillows to understand what Paul really meant about endurance at mile 3 of a 26-mile marriage race ✅ "I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith" (2 Timothy 4:7) - Saint Paul's final words from prison that reframe marriage as the ultimate endurance event ✅ How Saint Paul's transformation from persecuting Christians to being knocked off his horse by Christ mirrors what covenant marriage requires ✅ Why we need more Saint Paul warriors in marriage - and why modern culture has stopped producing them Saint Paul wrote these words while physically dying in prison, yet declared "I've kept the faith." That's the image I hold for every couple - weathered, hardly shiny, but holy and still holding hands after decades. 🔔 Remember: Saint Paul shows us that marriage isn't about staying in love - it's about becoming love. It's not about erotic sparks (those die), but about that slow, steady burn of sanctification. Note: This isn't a guilt trip for anyone struggling. This is a conversation between you and God. I'm here to offer hope for those ready to fight the good fight.

    38 min
  8. Episode #64: Father Tad on Moral Clarity in a Culture of Feelings

    26 AOÛT

    Episode #64: Father Tad on Moral Clarity in a Culture of Feelings

    In this episode, I sit down with Father Tadeusz Pacholczyk, Ph.D., a Yale-trained neuroscientist turned Catholic priest who serves as Senior Ethicist at The National Catholic Bioethics Center. From his unique vantage point—having worked as a molecular biologist at Harvard Medical School before answering the call to priesthood—Father Tad brings both scientific rigor and spiritual wisdom to today's most challenging ethical dilemmas. As business leaders, we're constantly making decisions under pressure, often guided by what "feels right" rather than objective truth. Father Tad and I explore how this same relativistic thinking that damages our relationships is now reshaping how we approach life, death, and human dignity itself. I'll walk you through: ✅ Why three-parent babies and genetic screening represent a dangerous shift from receiving children as gifts to treating them as products ✅ The hidden moral costs of IVF that most Catholics never learn about—and why natural fertility approaches offer hope without compromise ✅ How our fear of suffering is driving us toward medical assistance in dying (MAID) and what we lose when we shortcut the grace found in life's final journey ✅ Why moral relativism—the idea that "it's all up to me to determine right from wrong"—creates chaos in our personal and professional lives ✅ The connection between contraception, abortion, and assisted suicide: how treating objective goods as evils always leads to disordered choices ✅ How Father Tad's path from neuroscience to priesthood illustrates that surrendering our control often leads to greater purpose and fulfillment Whether you're navigating complex business ethics, wrestling with family planning decisions, or simply trying to maintain moral clarity in a relativistic world, Father Tad offers a framework for making decisions based on objective truth rather than fluctuating emotions. His message challenges our achievement-focused culture: true success comes not from controlling outcomes, but from aligning our choices with timeless moral principles. As someone who went through IVF myself before understanding the Church's teachings, I can attest that this conversation isn't about judgment—it's about liberation. When we stop treating our desires as the ultimate moral authority and start discerning objective truth, our lives become marked by "beautiful order and harmony." 🔔 Remember: Good intentions aren't enough. The path to genuine fulfillment requires the courage to align our choices with objective moral goods, even when it means accepting outcomes we didn't plan. ======================================================== Father Tad's Resources: Website: https://fathertad.com

    1 h 25 min
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From the therapy room of a registered psychotherapist, dating coach and solopreneur who has tirelessly attempted a 'healthy' work-life balance for 25 years, it rarely existed for me and likely does not for most business owners, entrepreneurs and executives. The truth is relationships can really suffer. I will be interviewing expert guests who are doing things right so we can all learn to mix business with pleasure. Topics will range from building better relationships, connection, dating, and how to spread more kindness and compassion towards others while doing so. Listeners, you have the right to have passion surrounding your work while maintaining passionate relationships. You can have your cake and eat it too. New episodes premiere every Tuesday.

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