One Great Case

Areta Lloyd
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A podcast about law to learn more about people. Every episode goes behind the scenes of a case with the lawyer who argued it, and sometimes the judge who decided it. You may ask, what makes for a great case? It might be novel, it might move the needle on a point of law, it might be shocking, or frivolous, or high profile. Maybe you’ve heard of it, maybe you haven’t. But behind each case are the people who drive it. And that’s who we find continually fascinating, because at the end of the day, what are lawyers except well paid managers of human relations. Join us for each episode, as we do a deep dive into one great case. Hosted by Areta Lloyd, a litigation lawyer in Toronto, Canada.

Episodes

  1. FEB 5

    Chiang (Trustee of) v. Chiang: The Dark Side of Civil Contempt w/ Tom Curry

    We like to believe that contempt of court is simple: you break the rules, face the consequences, and if you comply, you earn your way back out. The law, we tell ourselves, is precise, structured, and fair. But what happens when the very order meant to restore accountability becomes the trap itself? This case, Chiang (Trustee of) v. Chiang, forces us to confront a deeply uncomfortable reality: that even systems designed to enforce justice can spiral into something coercive, endless, and structurally impossible to escape. What began as a routine commercial debt dispute in California evolved into one of the most complex and punishing contempt proceedings in Canadian legal history. A family chased across borders. A consent order that functioned more like a contract with no exit. A process where the “keys to the cell” were no longer in the hands of the people being punished, but in the hands of their creditors. A use of contempt that was alarming and structurally unsound. And a long odyssey of litigation that took over eight years to resolve. At the center of this story is a haunting paradox. The court wanted answers, but the mechanism it created to extract those answers required cooperation from third parties in another jurisdiction. The result was a legal maze where effort was never enough, compliance was never complete, and the definition of “purging contempt” remained perpetually out of reach. The result was a system that punished without a clear path to redemption, where time, effort, and even compliance could not guarantee release. The lesson for litigators is that precision is not a technical detail; it is a safeguard against harm. To unpack how this happened (and why it still matters), I sat down with Tom Curry, a veteran litigation lawyer in Toronto who was brought into the case at its darkest point. Together, we explored how a single consent order reshaped the trajectory of an entire family’s life, why the Court of Appeal eventually intervened, and what this case teaches us about power, perseverance, and the limits of coercive justice. You’ll also learn: How a routine business dispute turned into a decade-long legal odysseyHow a consent order became the most powerful lever in the caseWhat happens when the keys to freedom are held by creditor/plaintiff instead of the contemnorWhy “best efforts” can become an impossible legal standardHow coercive sentences cross the line into punishmentWhat this case reveals about power, persistence, and human resilienceWhy structure, not pressure, is the real engine of accountability Guest Bio Tom Curry is a litigation lawyer in Toronto, a partner at Lenczner Slaght, and a speaker. He is recognized as one of the most experienced trial and appellate advocates of his generation in Canada. Tom has a long record of success in high-profile commercial litigation, class actions, arbitrations, business disputes, administrative law, judicial review, intellectual property, competition, and professional liability cases. Tom is a Fellow of the American College of Trial Lawyers and the International Academy of Trial Lawyers and is certified as a specialist in civil litigation by the Law Society of Ontario. He is a regular speaker on a wide variety of subjects relating to trial practice and substantive law. He has been...

    56 min

  2. JAN 22

    Nuremberg Revisited: When Evil Was Obvious but the Law Wasn’t w/ David Parry

    We tend to think of history’s great atrocities as moral failures that are obvious in hindsight. Evil acts, evil people, and clear lines between right and wrong. But the harder question (which still haunts legal systems today) is this: how do you turn moral certainty into legal accountability when the law itself doesn’t yet exist? That question has been back in public conversation recently with the release of the film Nuremberg. But it was never theoretical for the Allies in the wake of World War II. They weren’t just confronting the scale of the crimes; they were operating in an almost impossible legal position. No established crime for what we now call crimes against humanity. No clear roadmap for holding individuals responsible for actions carried out under the color of domestic law. And nowhere was that tension more visible than in the trial of Hermann Göring. What looks, at first glance, like a straightforward prosecution unravels into something far more complex. A courtroom filled with politics, ego, performance, and legal improvisation. A defendant who understood power, optics, and narrative better than many of the people questioning him. And a cross-examination that’s now infamous. This case forces us to confront an uncomfortable truth: accountability doesn’t come from outrage alone. It comes from systems, structure, and the discipline to resist fighting on the wrong terrain. Nuremberg wasn’t just a legal milestone. It was a test of whether law could rise to meet morality without collapsing into vengeance or theater. To unpack all of this, I sat down with criminal lawyer and Crown prosecutor David Parry. He has spent years studying the Nuremberg trials and their legacy. Together, we explored what Göring’s testimony reveals about human nature, why Robert Jackson’s cross-examination still matters, and how the innovations born at Nuremberg continue to shape international law today. You’ll Also Learn Why Nuremberg wasn’t inevitable, and how close the Allies came to abandoning trials altogetherHow retroactive justice became one of the most controversial but necessary legal innovations of the 20th centuryWhy Göring’s charisma and ego made him such a dangerous witness on the standWhat not to do in cross-examination when facing a powerful, combative defendantHow “arguing with the witness” quietly hands them control of the courtroomWhy structure (not emotion) is the prosecutor’s most powerful toolHow film evidence changed the trial when words failedWhat Nuremberg teaches us about accountability, power, and the fragility of democratic systemsWhy law is ultimately an attempt to discipline our moral instincts, not replace them About the Guest David Parry is a criminal lawyer and Crown prosecutor who began his career in private practice before moving into public prosecution. He has a long-standing interest in international law, legal ethics, and the history of the Nuremberg Trials—particularly how the International Military Tribunal grappled with accountability, morality, and the limits of law in the aftermath of World War II. His work sits at the intersection of legal theory and real-world courtroom practice,...

    44 min

  3. 2025-12-11

    Ritualistic Repetition or Genuine Intent? Inside a Stunning Undue Influence Case w/ David Delagran & Justice Gilmore

    Most people imagine undue influence as overt manipulation: a domineering child, a vulnerable parent, and a will that suddenly changes. But the reality, undue influence often looks like routine caregiving.  That’s what made Abbruzzese v Tucci so striking. At first glance, it looked like a typical estate dispute. Instead, what emerged was a rare, almost textbook convergence of every factor litigators usually struggle to prove: isolation, dependency, capacity concerns, and a sudden transfer of the family home for no consideration. Then, everything changed when a single piece of evidence emerged; something you rarely see in these files. Civil litigator David Delagran walked me through the moment the entire case took a sharp turn. A moment that revealed just how different this file was from the usual “she said / she said” estate dispute. What he uncovered suggested something more deliberate, more structured, and far more difficult to dismiss. Then I sat with Justice Gilmore, the judge who ultimately had to make sense of it all. From her vantage point, this case wasn’t just unusual; it presented a combination of factors she rarely sees align so neatly in one file.  It all pointed to something beneath the surface that only became visible once she started asking the right questions.  Why do some cases that look “clean” on paper unravel the moment you peel back a single layer? What happens when the usual tools for assessing capacity and intent collide with the messy realities of family relationships? In this episode, we explore all of it, from the litigation strategy to the judicial reasoning. We also talk about the deeper lessons this case offers for anyone navigating influence, vulnerability, and the fragile line between care and control. You’ll Also Learn; How dependence, isolation, and family conflict quietly lay the groundwork for influenceWhy repeated phrases and “too-consistent” explanations can be a red flag in capacity casesHow a drafting solicitor’s clean notes can mask deeper dynamics the lawyer never sawWhy contemporaneous medical assessments often reveal what retrospective reports can’tHow judges test whether a testator’s words were their own or shaped by someone elseWhat credibility looks like when family stories, expert opinions, and documents all clashWhy this case is becoming a reference point for spotting influence that hides in plain sight Guest Bios David Delagran is a civil litigator and partner at Beard Winter LLP in Toronto, with over 25 years of litigation experience across commercial, estates, and employment disputes. In contentious trusts and estates disputes, David represents personal and institutional estate trustees, as well as beneficiaries, in all matters arising out of the administration of trusts and estates, including administration, will challenges, dependent support claims, interpretation issues, and breaches of trust. David works together with the firm’s Estates and Trusts solicitors to form an effective multidisciplinary litigation team. Connect with David on LinkedIn.  Justice Gilmore is an Estates List judge and a specialist in estates litigation. She sits in Toronto and has presided over a large variety of civil, criminal, and family cases since her appointment. She was the President of the Ontario Superior Court Judges’ Association from December 2014 to June 2017 and sitting Past President until June 2019. Justice Gilmore has passed the Level C civil servant French exam, which permits her to hear trials in French, and has been a regular educational panel member on evidentiary and advocacy issues. Connect with her on a...

    36 min

  4. 2025-11-13

    Exploitation at the Ballet: The Case That Redefined Justice in Canada w/ Gillian Hnatiw

    When we think of ballet, we think of grace, discipline, and the pursuit of perfection, not precedent-setting litigation. But within the walls of elite ballet institutions, the pursuit of perfection can blur into something darker: a culture of hierarchy, obedience, and silence. That silence is what made this case possible. Behind the curtain of one of Canada’s most prestigious ballet schools, a story unfolded that had nothing to do with art and everything to do with power. When the truth finally surfaced, the women seeking justice faced an even greater challenge…a justice system unequipped to name their harm. This wasn’t just a story about a predator hiding in plain sight. It was a reckoning with how the legal system lags behind the realities of digital-age exploitation and gender-based harm. What happens when centuries-old torts can’t capture the trauma of having your body and trust violated on camera? That’s where lawyer Gillian Hnatiw stepped in. As a leading advocate for victims of gender-based violence, she was able to recognize the deeper systemic failure beneath the case, a legal framework unprepared to address modern forms of harm. In this episode, Gillian unpacks the complexities of the case and the creative lawyering it demanded. She also reflects on how the case reshaped the legal understanding of gender-based harm, and why its lessons remain urgent in an era where technology keeps outpacing the law. Things You’ll Learn in This Episode;  How the Royal Winnipeg Ballet class action broke new ground in recognizing psychological and gender-based harm from non-consensual image taking and sharing.Why arts institutions can enable abuse through culture, not just conduct, and how silence becomes complicity.The creative legal strategy behind a case with no clear precedent, from using privacy torts to invoking occupiers’ liability and breach of confidence.Why this case signals the next frontier of justice — as the law races to catch up to digital realities like voyeurism, deepfakes, and AI-generated abuse. Guest Bio Gillian is one of Canada's leading advocates for victims of gender-based violence. Although that is not her only area of practice, she maintains a diverse litigation practice at her eponymous law firm located in Toronto, with a national reach. Gillian is talented, fearless, hugely empathetic, and a huge risk-taker. You can learn all about her work on her website, gillianandco.ca.  About Your Host Areta Lloyd practices estate and trust litigation, with a particular focus on capacity litigation. She participates in public speaking, mentoring junior lawyers and presenting courses on the topics of estates law, health law, and law practice management. Areta has written for several publications and wrote a column for the Alzheimer caregiver website ALZlive.com. Resources Have a suggestion for a great case to feature on the show? Email me at onegreatcasepodcast@yahoo.com Looking for support in your legal career? The Toronto Lawyers Association offers resources, networking, and legal research at no cost. Visit TLA.org Follow One Great Case on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your preferred app to stay up to date with the latest cases and conversations. If you’ve found the show valuable, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or share it with a colleague. Each time you do, you help another professional discover insights that can shape their practice.

    30 min

  5. 2025-10-16

    The Strategy That Turned Two Lost Properties into a Mortgage-Free Victory w/ Neil Colville-Reeves

    On paper, SEPUSAC v. 9706151 Canada Limited seemed like a routine mortgage enforcement dispute. A borrower defaulted, the lender sold the properties, and the matter looked destined for the standard path of foreclosure.  But the case quickly revealed itself to be anything but ordinary. What unfolded over the next seven years exposed how vulnerable Ontario’s mortgage enforcement framework can be to abuse. Procedural stonewalling, shameless delay tactics, chaos, havoc, opaque numbered companies, and even the suing of a judge.  This was the weaponization of the rules, deployed to exhaust a borrower, delay accountability, and deprive someone of their day in court. Along the way, the litigation raised hard questions about how far bad actors can push the system.  To help unpack it, I’m joined by the lawyer on the side of the borrower, Neil Colville-Reeves. After diving into what he first thought was a straightforward enforcement matter, Neil found himself navigating the uncharted territory of predatory lending and fraud.  What made this case anything but the typical foreclosure litigation? And how did Neil secure an outcome no one would have predicted: a client who entered homeless but emerged with title to his properties, mortgage-free? In this episode, you’ll learn;  How SEPUSAC v. 9706151 Canada Limited illustrates systemic vulnerabilities in Ontario’s mortgage enforcement regime Why rapid, improvident sales to numbered corporations signal potential fraud The strategic use of CPLs, Rule 45 motions, and Mareva injunctions in exposing fraud and preserving assets How defendants weaponized adjournments, discovery delays, and shell companies to obstruct proceedings Why the civil justice system, premised on good faith, struggles when faced with shameless actors The outcome: how a borrower who lost two properties in a predatory lending scheme ultimately recovered both, free of encumbrances Guest Bio Neil Colville-Reeves is the Managing Partner of Reeves Richarz LLP. Neil has a general commercial, estates, and insurance litigation practice and has handled a broad range of matters before the Ontario Superior Court of Justice, Ontario Court of Appeal, Financial Services Commission of Ontario, License Appeal Tribunal as well as advocating on behalf of his clients in private arbitrations.  Neil manages a large and diverse subrogation practice and has experience in a range of matters, including construction/engineer liability, oil spills, fire and flooding losses, product failures, municipal infrastructure failures, first responder cases, and class actions. He also defends his insurer clients and policies in first-party and liability claims involving a broad range of property-related claims, including fire and flood loss cases. Neil has acted for clients in partnership and shareholder disputes, private road associations in negotiating member agreements, as well as litigating breach of contract, estates, and construction-related matters. Neil also practices injury law. He has represented the interests of a wide range of insurers, defending policy-holders and insurers in bodily injury claims as well as defending first-party accident benefits claims. His clients also seek out his advice and representation in priority and loss transfer disputes between insurers. In recent years, Neil has taken a particular interest in assisting clients facing mortgage enforcement proceedings who can be particularly vulnerable to unscrupulous lenders. In addition to practicing law, Neil spent two years in the securities industry working in corporate finance for an investment management/merchant banking firm. In that role, he dealt extensively with the community of investment advisors and financial planners and was involved in issues relating to corporate...

    45 min

  6. 2025-09-11

    Inside John Campion's Winning Strategy for the Biggest Mining Case in History

    Long before the lawsuits, there was the story that captivated the world. Bre-X Minerals, a penny stock based in Calgary, claimed to have discovered the largest gold deposit in history deep in the jungles of Indonesia. Almost overnight, its market value soared into the billions, drawing in banks, governments, and some of the biggest players in mining. The frenzy was intoxicating. Ordinary investors saw life-changing fortunes appear on paper. Analysts assured the public they had “seen the gold.” Politicians and corporations scrambled for a stake in what looked like a once-in-a-lifetime discovery.  Yet beneath the euphoria lay a series of red flags, signals that something was terribly wrong. Why were drill samples handled in secrecy? Why did results grow more spectacular with every announcement? And why did so many seasoned professionals suspend their disbelief? In this episode, John Campion, one of Canada’s most respected litigators, reconstructs the rise and collapse of Bre-X before it ever reached the courtroom. From its basement beginnings and improbable ascent, to the mysterious fall of its chief geologist, John lays out how the world’s biggest gold rush unraveled into one of the greatest financial scandals of modern times. In this episode, you’ll learn: How Bre-X transformed from an obscure penny stock into a $6B global sensationWhy governments, banks, and investors ignored glaring warning signsHow Busang’s remote and treacherous setting made independent verification nearly impossibleThe role of key figures, Walsh, Felderhof, and de Guzman, in building the illusionThe unanswered questions and enduring mysteries that still surround Bre-X today Guest Bio John Campion is a senior litigator and partner at Gardiner Roberts LLP with more than 45 years of experience across Canada and internationally. Over his career, he has acted in more than 300 trials, appeals, and arbitrations, representing prime ministers, heads of state, leading global corporations, and families in some of the most high-stakes disputes of the last half-century. John has appeared before the courts of ten provinces, the Federal Court, the Supreme Court of Canada, and in arbitrations and tribunals around the world. His work spans corporate and commercial law, estates, regulation, and government, giving him a rare perspective at the intersection of business, policy, and justice. Beyond the courtroom, John has served as President of the Federation of Law Societies of Canada, an Emeritus Bencher of the Law Society of Ontario, and President of the Empire Club of Canada. He has also advised the CBC, acted as counsel to prime ministers, written extensively on professional liability, and taught as an adjunct professor of law. John Campion is known not only as one of Canada’s leading senior counsel but also as a mentor, teacher, and advocate who has devoted his career to advancing both the law and the people it serves. Learn more about John here.  About Your Host Areta Lloyd practices estate and trusts litigation, with a particular focus on capacity litigation. She participates in public speaking, mentoring junior lawyers, and presenting courses on the topics of estates law, health law, and law practice management. Areta has written for several publications and wrote a column for the Alzheimer caregiver website ALZlive.com. Follow the One Great Case on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app so you get the latest episodes! If the show has been helpful, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts —or simply tell a friend about the show. Each time you share the show, you are potentially changing...

    28 min

  7. 2025-09-11

    Red Flags Everywhere…Even as Investors Poured Billions into Bre-X

    A gold discovery that never was. Billions in market value wiped out. Investors are demanding answers, and banks are facing claims that could shake confidence in the entire financial system. The Bre-X scandal didn’t end when the gold vanished. In many ways, that’s when the real battle began. With billions lost and reputations in ruins, the courts became the new arena. The question was no longer whether the gold existed, but who would be held accountable for its disappearance. John Campion, senior litigator and partner at Gardiner Roberts LLP, was at the center of it all. As lead counsel for Nesbitt Burns, he was charged with defending one of Canada’s largest brokerages against claims that could have reshaped the financial industry. Billions of dollars, institutional credibility, and investor trust all hung in the balance. In this episode, John takes us inside the strategy: how he built a defense in a case with global attention, why the concept of reliance became the decisive factor, and how Bre-X ultimately triggered reforms that continue to define Canadian securities law today. How John structured a defense against billions in claims across multiple jurisdictionsWhy the legal principle of reliance became the turning point in the class actionWhat U.S. jury research revealed about investor psychology and risk-takingHow to manage media scrutiny when clients’ reputations are under siegeThe reforms Bre-X triggered in Canadian securities law and why they matter today For the full picture, listen to our bonus episode, where John lays out the background of the Bre-X scandal, the key players, and the overlooked red flags that led to the courtroom battles. Guest Bio John Campion is a senior litigator and partner at Gardiner Roberts LLP with more than 45 years of experience across Canada and internationally. Over his career, he has acted in more than 300 trials, appeals, and arbitrations, representing prime ministers, heads of state, leading global corporations, and families in some of the most high-stakes disputes of the last half-century. John has appeared before the courts of ten provinces, the Federal Court, the Supreme Court of Canada, and in arbitrations and tribunals around the world. His work spans corporate and commercial law, estates, regulation, and government, giving him a rare perspective at the intersection of business, policy, and justice. Beyond the courtroom, John has served as President of the Federation of Law Societies of Canada, an Emeritus Bencher of the Law Society of Ontario, and President of the Empire Club of Canada. He has also advised the CBC, acted as counsel to prime ministers, written extensively on professional liability, and taught as an adjunct professor of law. John Campion is known not only as one of Canada’s leading senior counsel but also as a mentor, teacher, and advocate who has devoted his career to advancing both the law and the people it serves. Learn more about John here.  About Your Host Areta Lloyd practices estate and trusts litigation, with a particular focus on capacity litigation. She participates in public speaking, mentoring junior lawyers, and presenting courses on the topics of estates law, health law, and law practice management. Areta has written for several publications and wrote a column for the Alzheimer caregiver website ALZlive.com. Follow the One Great Case on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app so you get the latest episodes! If the show has been helpful, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts —or simply tell a friend about the show. Each time you share the show, you are...

    29 min

  8. 2025-09-04

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    A podcast about law to learn more about people. Every episode goes behind the scenes of a case with the lawyer who argued it, and sometimes the judge who decided it. You may ask, what makes for a great case? It might be novel, it might move the needle on a point of law, it might be shocking, or frivolous, or high profile. Maybe you’ve heard of it, maybe you haven’t. But behind each case are the people who drive it. And that’s who we find continually fascinating, because at the end of the day, what are lawyers except well-paid managers of human relations. Join us for each episode, as we do a deep dive into one great case. Hosted by Areta Lloyd, a litigation lawyer in Toronto, Canada.

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A podcast about law to learn more about people. Every episode goes behind the scenes of a case with the lawyer who argued it, and sometimes the judge who decided it. You may ask, what makes for a great case? It might be novel, it might move the needle on a point of law, it might be shocking, or frivolous, or high profile. Maybe you’ve heard of it, maybe you haven’t. But behind each case are the people who drive it. And that’s who we find continually fascinating, because at the end of the day, what are lawyers except well paid managers of human relations. Join us for each episode, as we do a deep dive into one great case. Hosted by Areta Lloyd, a litigation lawyer in Toronto, Canada.

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    Areta Lloyd
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    2025 - 2026
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