Saving Bread

Allison

Saving Bread explores sourdough, grain, fermentation, craftsmanship, and the people keeping real bread alive. Join baker and educator Allison White for practical lessons and thoughtful conversations with bakers, millers, farmers, oven makers, and others shaping the future of bread. Long live real bread.

  1. 4d ago

    Interviews E08 Eric Pallant - Sourdough Culture

    Send us a question or voice memo! This week on Saving Bread, we’re stepping away from the pH meters, fermentation charts, and troubleshooting for a conversation about the other side of bread: history, culture, memory, and story. Allison sits down with Eric Pallant, author of Sourdough Culture: A History of Bread Making from Ancient to Modern Bakers, to ask a deceptively simple question: What actually makes an old sourdough starter old? From there, the conversation travels through thousands of years of bread history. Eric and Allison talk about whether the age and origin of a starter really affect the bread it makes, how humans may have discovered fermentation, the people whose labor shaped bread history, what industrial bread production gave us — and what may have been lost along the way. They also explore why sourdough continues to pull people back, why making bread doesn’t need to be complicated or expensive, and how a starter can carry a story from one baker, kitchen, and generation to the next. Plus, Eric shares what he’s working on next, including his forthcoming book Loaf and The World Atlas of Bread. This is a conversation about sourdough — but also about why bread has remained such an enduring part of human life. In this episode: • What does it actually mean for a sourdough starter to be “old”? • Starter microbiology, lineage, and terroir • How humans may have discovered leavened bread • Bread, labor, and the history of food production • Industrial bread vs. slow fermentation • Making good bread accessible • Why sourdough doesn’t have to be complicated • Why humans keep returning to bread • Eric Pallant’s upcoming books Find Eric + the book: Eric Pallant — Official Website EricPallant.com Sourdough Culture — Book information + purchase options Sourdough Culture by Eric Pallant If you’re enjoying Saving Bread, follow the podcast, leave a rating or review, and share this episode with someone who loves bread. Saving Bread — Long live real bread.

  2. 6d ago

    Lessons E05 Common Sourdough Failures — Country Loaf Troubleshooting

    Send us a question or voice memo! Why is your sourdough flat? What causes huge tunnels surrounded by dense crumb? How do you know when bulk fermentation is finished? And when a loaf goes wrong, how do you figure out which part of the process was actually responsible? In this Lessons episode of Saving Bread, Allison walks through the basic country loaf from start to finish and breaks down some of the most common sourdough problems and what to change on your next bake. We cover: Starter and levain strengthHydration and flour absorptionDough temperatureBulk fermentationUnder-fermented vs. over-fermented doughHow to judge when bulk is finishedBasket rise and final proofPreshaping and shaping without overhandling your doughCold proofingScoring placement and depthSteam and oven springWhy a flat loaf or missing ear doesn't always mean your fermentation was wrongThe biggest takeaway from this episode: bread is a system. Starter health, flour, temperature, hydration, fermentation, handling, shaping, scoring and baking all influence the finished loaf. One symptom rarely tells the entire story. Allison also shares an unexpected lesson from a recent three-day sourdough class at Central Milling's Artisan Baking Center. One batch of country loaves baked beautifully. The next batch, made from the same dough, came out completely flat. The difference came down to what happened in the final moments before and during the bake: where the loaves were scored and how they were steamed. It's a great reminder that you can get the fermentation, mixing and shaping right and still dramatically change the final loaf at the oven. Plus, a reminder for home bakers: loving bread does not mean you need to turn it into a business. You are allowed to bake because it's fun. Resources mentioned The Sourdough Journey — Tom Cucuzza Bulk fermentation guides, starter education and sourdough resources. Central Milling Artisan Baking Center — Petaluma, California In-person bread and baking classes. Hillary Austin — Backyard Terroir Instagram: @backyardterroir Follow Saving Bread Saving Bread Podcast Instagram: @savingbreadpodcast Allison White / Matriarch Bread Instagram: @matriarchbreadco Music by Joshua from DOAP. Saving Bread is a podcast about sourdough, whole grains, fermentation, baking science and the people working to keep real bread alive. Long live real bread.

  3. Aug 19

    Interviews E07 Tom Cucuzza of The Sourdough Journey: Bulk Fermentation & Starter Health

    Send us a question or voice memo! How do you actually know when bulk fermentation is finished? What makes a sourdough starter strong and healthy? And how can understanding the science of fermentation help you become a more intuitive baker? This week on Saving Bread, Allison White talks with Tom Cucuzza, creator of The Sourdough Journey, about his years of experimentation with sourdough bread, starter health and bulk fermentation. Tom has built an enormous body of educational work around understanding what is actually happening inside our starters and doughs. In this episode, we get into the details. We talk about: Sourdough starter strength and accumulated acidityWhy repeatedly underfeeding a starter can create problems over timeTom’s peak-to-peak feeding methodHow to recognize when your sourdough starter has reached peakHow to judge the end of bulk fermentationDough temperature and percentage riseWhy fermentation does not stop when bulk fermentation endsGluten development and using the windowpane test throughout fermentationPre-shaping, bench rest, shaping and cold retardRefrigerator temperature and continued fermentationUsing pH as one tool rather than a hard-and-fast fermentation endpointHow changing one variable at a time can help you learn fasterDeveloping baker’s intuition through observation and experimentationThe relationship between science, precision and creativity in bread bakingTom describes himself as both analytical and artistic. For him, understanding the science is not the final goal. It gives him more opportunities to create the bread he wants to make. We also talk about why sourdough should not feel like an exclusive hobby and Tom’s belief that everyone should be able to learn how to make bread. LEARN MORE FROM TOM CUCZZA + THE SOURDOUGH JOURNEY The Sourdough Journey website https://thesourdoughjourney.com/ Instagram: @the_sourdough_journey https://www.instagram.com/the_sourdough_journey/ The Sourdough Journey on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@thesourdoughjourney Sourdough videos and Mastering Bulk Fermentation resources https://thesourdoughjourney.com/videos/ SAVING BREAD Instagram: @savingbreadpodcast https://www.instagram.com/savingbreadpodcast/ Saving Bread is a podcast about sourdough, bread baking, whole grains, fermentation and the people working to preserve and move bread culture forward. Hosted by Allison White.

    Interviews E07 Tom Cucuzza of The Sourdough Journey: Bulk Fermentation & Starter Health
  4. Aug 12

    Interviews E06 Parker Cook of Basil & Bloom: Becoming a Better Baker, Building Trust and Learning Sourdough

    Send us a question or voice memo! This week on Saving Bread, Allison talks with Parker Cook, baker, educator and content creator behind Basil & Bloom. Parker has built a large online community teaching sourdough bread baking, fermentation, starter maintenance, whole grains, freshly milled flour and microbakery production. But there is already a lot of information online about how Parker makes bread. This conversation looks more at the person behind that information. Parker shares how he went from learning to cook while living in Italy to working as a research and development chef, and how that analytical background shaped the way he approaches sourdough today. They talk about how Parker actually learns a new technique, why he tests ideas repeatedly and side by side, the importance of building experience through repetition, and why becoming a better baker may be as much about becoming a better observer as it is about collecting more information. Parker and Allison also get into what makes an online educator trustworthy. Parker talks about creating content from real questions within his community, simplifying complicated baking concepts without losing the useful information, and the responsibility that comes with recommending products to a large audience. The conversation also covers beginner sourdough mistakes, bulk fermentation, sourdough starter maintenance, stiff starters, freshly milled flour, whole grain baking, microbakery systems, content creation, entrepreneurship and building Basil & Bloom alongside Parker's wife and business partner, Camille. They finish by talking about being open to different approaches to bread and Parker's belief that there are no strict rules in sourdough, only techniques that help you make the bread you want to make. FOLLOW AND SUPPORT PARKER Basil & Bloom Basil & Bloom website Instagram Follow @eatbasilandbloom on Instagram School of Sourdough and online baking courses Explore Parker's sourdough courses Whole grain, freshly milled flour and additional courses Basil & Bloom course library Parker's Picks and affiliate links Shop Parker's recommended baking tools and products If you enjoy Parker's free educational content and purchase a product he recommends, using his affiliate links is one way to directly support Basil & Bloom. If you enjoyed this episode, follow Saving Bread, leave a rating or review and share the episode with another baker. Long live real bread.

    Interviews E06 Parker Cook of Basil & Bloom: Becoming a Better Baker, Building Trust and Learning Sourdough
  5. Aug 5

    Interviews E05 Inside Great Bakes with Martin Sorge: Local Grains, Rye and Midwest Baking

    Send us a question or voice memo! This week on Saving Bread, Allison talks with Martin Sorge, self taught baker, writer, winner of The Great American Baking Show and author of the new cookbook Great Bakes: Modern Classic Recipes from the Midwest. Martin has spent more than a decade baking with local flour, whole grains and unique grain varieties, and his approach makes experimenting with unfamiliar ingredients feel surprisingly approachable. In this conversation, Martin and Allison talk about why flour deserves the same attention we give local produce, cheese and other regional foods, and how getting to know the grain itself can completely change the way we bake. Martin shares one of his favorite ways to test a flour he has never used before: make a very simple shortbread and let the flavor of the grain speak for itself. They also get into rye bread and some of the misconceptions surrounding it. Martin explains why the flavor many Americans associate with rye is actually caraway, how rye dough behaves differently from wheat dough, why acidity and sourdough are so important in high percentage rye breads and why some traditional rye loaves are actually better when you wait until the next day to cut into them. The conversation also covers buckwheat, spelt, black emmer, soft honey emmer dinner rolls, local grain from Janie’s Mill, German bread culture and Martin’s experience baking with Arnd Erbel in his centuries old bakery in Dachsbach, Germany. Martin also shares what competing on The Great American Baking Show taught him about trusting simple flavors and his own point of view, why failed bakes are an important part of becoming a better baker and why he believes bread deserves to be brought back to the center of the table. Great Bakes: Modern Classic Recipes from the Midwest is available now and includes more than 100 sweet and savory recipes inspired by the ingredients, people and baking traditions of the Midwest. Follow Martin on Instagram: @martinsorge Martin Sorge: martinbakes.com Great Bakes: martinbakes.com/books Martin’s upcoming cookbook events and classes: martinbakes.com/events Janie’s Mill: janiesmill.com Arnd Erbel and Bäckerei Erbel in Dachsbach, Germany: arnderbel.de If you enjoyed this episode, follow Saving Bread and share it with another baker. Ratings, reviews and sharing the podcast are some of the best ways to help more people find these conversations. Long live real bread.

    Interviews E05 Inside Great Bakes with Martin Sorge: Local Grains, Rye and Midwest Baking
  6. Jul 29

    Interviews E04 Stone Milled Flour and Whole Grain Sourdough with Baylin Speidel of Chimacum Valley Grainery

    Send us a question or voice memo! What changes when flour stops being the background of a loaf and becomes the whole party? In this episode of Saving Bread, Allison talks with baker and miller Baylin Speidel, head baker at Chimacum Valley Grainery in Chimacum, Washington. Chimacum Valley Grainery brings farming, stone milling, baking, malting, and brewing together on one property. Baylin shares how working this closely with grain transformed the way she understands flour, flavor, fermentation, and bread. Baylin walks us through what happens when a wheat berry passes through a stone mill and explains the meaning of extraction rate, high extraction flour, and one hundred percent whole grain flour. She also shares a practical and encouraging path for bakers who want to begin using more local and freshly milled grain without changing everything at once. You can begin with a familiar bread formula, replace five or twenty percent of the flour, observe what changes, and slowly build your confidence from there. For bakers ready to use larger percentages of whole grain flour, Baylin offers guidance on choosing a flour blend, increasing hydration, shortening mixing time, using an autolyse and bassinage, managing levain percentage, and paying attention to fermentation. She explains why whole grain dough often needs more water than expected, why fresh flour benefits from a gentler approach, and why the way a dough feels is often more important than the hydration number written on the formula. This conversation is also about the relationships behind a loaf of bread. Baylin and Allison discuss the importance of connecting bakers with farmers, millers, grain breeders, and other bakers. They explore how curiosity, communication, and community can help create a stronger and more resilient local grain economy. Whether you are curious about stone milled flour, beginning to experiment with whole grains, or already baking with one hundred percent extraction flour, this episode offers practical guidance and plenty of encouragement to keep learning. IN THIS EPISODE How stone milling works Stone milled flour compared with roller milled flour What extraction rate means High extraction flour and whole grain flour How to begin using local flour Starting with five or twenty percent whole grain Choosing strong and supporting grains for a flour blend Hydration for whole grain sourdough Autolyse and bassinage Mixing fresh milled flour with a gentler touch Using levain percentage to manage fermentation How dough temperature and dough mass affect fermentation Building relationships with local farmers and millers The farming, milling, baking, malting, and brewing model at Chimacum Valley Grainery LINKS AND RESOURCES Chimacum Valley Grainery https://chimacumgrain.com Order stone milled flour and Grainery goods https://chimacumgrain.com/store Chimacum Valley Grainery workshops https://chimacumgrain.com/workshops Follow Chimacum Valley Grainery on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/chimacumgrain Follow Baylin on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/thedustedstone

    Interviews E04 Stone Milled Flour and Whole Grain Sourdough with Baylin Speidel of Chimacum Valley Grainery
  7. Jul 22

    Lessons E04 How to Make a Sourdough Country Loaf from Start to Finish

    Send us a question or voice memo! In Lessons Episode 4, we take the country dough formula we created in our Baker’s Math episode and finally turn it into a loaf of bread. I’ll walk you through the entire process, beginning with the night-before levain build and continuing through the autolyse, mixing, gluten development, bulk fermentation, folds, pre-shaping, final shaping, basket proof, cold retard, scoring, baking, cooling, and evaluating the finished loaf. Along the way, we’ll cover:  How to recognize when your levain is ripe and ready  What an autolyse does—and when it may be helpful  Mechanical mixing and the windowpane test  How to reach a Desired Dough Temperature of 78°F  Stretch and folds versus coil folds  How to measure percent rise during bulk fermentation  The signs of under-fermented, properly fermented, and over-fermented dough  Pre-shaping, bench rest, and final shaping  Choosing the right banneton  The room-temperature basket rise before refrigeration  Covering your dough during an overnight cold retard  Scoring and baking in a Dutch oven  How to evaluate the crust and crumb after baking Most importantly, we spend time answering one of the most difficult questions in bread baking: How do I know when bulk fermentation is finished? There is no single bubble, jiggle, percentage, or number on the clock that can answer that question by itself. Instead, we’ll learn how to look for several signals that begin telling the same story: the dough has developed enough gas to feel light and alive, while retaining enough strength to be shaped into a loaf. This is not intended to be a strict bake-along. Listen through the episode once before beginning, then return to individual sections as you work through your own loaf. Your dough may move faster or slower than mine. The goal is not to force it to follow my schedule, it is to understand what you are trying to accomplish during every stage. If sourdough starter maintenance, levain building, or baker’s math still feels unfamiliar, begin with Lessons Episodes 1–3 and then return to this episode. Next time, we’ll use what we learn from this bake to begin troubleshooting under-proofing, over-proofing, weak dough, dense crumb, scoring problems, dark bottoms, and more. Happy baking, and long live real bread. Formula for the Show Notes Levain Build  10 g ripe starter  25 g bread flour  25 g whole wheat flour  50 g water Total levain: 110 g Use 100 g in the final dough. Final Dough  375 g bread flour  75 g whole wheat flour  325 g water  100 g ripe levain  10 g salt Approximate total dough weight: 885 g Total Formula  500 g total flour  20% whole wheat flour  75% hydration  10% pre-fermented flour  2% salt  Links and Mentions Follow Saving Bread on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/savingbreadpodcast/ Listen to or review Saving Bread on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/saving-bread/id1896790106  The Perfect Loaf: Complete Bread-Shaping Guide https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/shaping-bread-dough/  The Perfect Loaf: How to Shape a Batard https://www.theperfectloaf.com/guides/shaping-a-batard/  Rosehill Sourdough: The BreadMat https://rosehillsourdough.com/product/the-breadmat/  Rosehill Sourdough: Oven Gloves https://rosehillsourdough.com/product/gloves/  Music by Joshua from DOPE

    Lessons E04 How to Make a Sourdough Country Loaf from Start to Finish
  8. Jul 22

    Rabbit Hole E02 Pineapple Sourdough Starters, Beloved’s Bakery & Meaningful Inclusions

    Send us a question or voice memo! Ally and Leah are back down the Rabbit Hole for a casual conversation about sourdough experiments, bakery field trips, and the stories we tell through bread. Inspired by Sourdough Culture by Eric Pallant, Leah creates a sourdough starter from scratch for the first time—funky smells, mysterious liquid, daily feedings and all. Meanwhile, Ally compares a traditional flour-and-water starter with one made using pineapple juice. They discuss false rises, acidity, starter pH, unpleasant early-stage bacteria and whether the pineapple juice method actually makes creating a starter easier. Then they recap their visit to Beloved’s Bakery & Café in Reno, Nevada, where they sampled sourdough bread, bialys, pretzels and an impressive assortment of laminated pastries. Finally, they go deep on inclusions in bread. Are jalapeño cheddar and cranberry walnut loaves simply delicious products that customers love—or can inclusions become something more? Ally and Leah explore how local, seasonal and culturally meaningful ingredients can help bakers differentiate their work, celebrate their communities and turn a loaf of bread into a story. This episode is an invitation to experiment, stay curious and consider not only what goes into your bread, but why it belongs there. LINKS & MENTIONS Sourdough Culture by Eric Pallant https://www.ericpallant.com/book/sourdough-culture/ Debra Wink’s Pineapple Juice Solution — Part One https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/10856/pineapple-juice-solution-part-1 Debra Wink’s Pineapple Juice Solution — Part Two https://www.thefreshloaf.com/10901/pineapple-juice-solution-part-2 Kathryn Shields — Amore Fermentum Instagram: @amore_fermentum https://www.instagram.com/amore_fermentum/ Laila — The Early Rise Instagram: @theearlyrisebaker https://www.instagram.com/theearlyrisebaker/ Alexandra Allen — Wild Woman Bakery Instagram: @wildwomanbakery https://www.instagram.com/wildwomanbakery/ Beloved’s Bakery & Café 299 E Plumb Lane, Suite 129 Reno, Nevada https://www.belovedsbread.com/ Instagram: @belovedsbread https://www.instagram.com/belovedsbread/ Love, Yvonne Cakes Instagram: @love.yvonne https://www.instagram.com/_love.yvonne_/ Graison Gill Instagram: @graisongill https://www.instagram.com/graisongill/ Sarah Owens Instagram: @sarah_c_owens https://www.instagram.com/sarah_c_owens/ Music by Joshua from DOPE.

    Rabbit Hole E02 Pineapple Sourdough Starters, Beloved’s Bakery & Meaningful Inclusions

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Saving Bread explores sourdough, grain, fermentation, craftsmanship, and the people keeping real bread alive. Join baker and educator Allison White for practical lessons and thoughtful conversations with bakers, millers, farmers, oven makers, and others shaping the future of bread. Long live real bread.

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