The Narthex

The Narthex

For those on the cusp of faith, considering should you stay or should you go. Perhaps you’re ready to throw in the towel on this whole following Jesus thing because the suffering is too much to bear. This channel is dedicated to you ❤️‍🩹. Explore this middle ground between faith and unbelief.

  1. 19 hrs ago

    Clash of Beliefs: Gavin Ortlund and Jonathan Pageau Debate the True Church

    This episode reviews a discussion between Protestant Baptist Gavin Ortlund and Orthodox Jonathan Pageau about what constitutes the true church and whether Christians outside Orthodoxy are truly Christian. The presenter contrasts Pageau’s emphasis on Orthodoxy, salvation as personal transformation, and skepticism of justification by faith alone with a Lutheran/Protestant view that the church is found wherever the gospel of Christ crucified and raised is proclaimed, faith trusts His promises, and the sacraments are rightly administered across denominations. The script critiques institutional “church idolatry,” warns that progressive sanctification can become works-righteousness, and disputes Pageau’s claim that faith alone is heresy. It also debates evangelistic urgency, noting Pageau’s focus on personal holiness and quotations from the saints versus Ortlund’s appeal to Scripture, especially Romans 10 and the idea that faith comes by hearing. 00:00 True Church 01:10 Luther on the Invisible Church 02:37 Institutionalism and Tyranny Warning 03:23 Gavin Probes Salvation Boundaries 04:36 Salvation as Transformation 06:19 Decree vs Healing Salvation 07:51 Gospel Arrows Downward 09:01 Sanctification vs Justification 11:15 Who Gets Saved and Why Care 12:03 St Theophan Quote Reaction 13:33 Saving Others by Being Saved 15:24 Words vs Witness in Evangelism 17:38 Romans 10 and Mission Urgency 19:50 Calvinism and Evangelism Tension 20:59 Justification by Faith Alone Clash 21:45 Wrap Up and Final Takeaway

    24 min
  2. Jul 1

    Heated Exchange - Part 1: Protestant vs Orthodox

    Dr. Daniel Shaw, Lutheran pastor and New Testament professor, comments on a debate between Baptist Gavin Ortlund and Eastern Orthodox Jonathan Pageau about what constitutes the true Church and true Christianity. It contrasts Orthodoxy’s claim that full communion with Christ requires communion with the visible, institutional Eastern Orthodox Church and Protestant/Lutheran ideas of the church as “hidden,” defined by where the gospel is proclaimed, and sacraments are rightly administered. The narrator argues Orthodoxy emphasizes theosis and an ontological, visible reality of salvation that can turn into cooperation with God and uncertainty about “doing enough,” linking this to concerns about works, troubled consciences, and even purgatory. Highlighting a tense exchange, Ortlund says becoming Orthodox would feel like denying the validity of Protestant churches where he encountered Christ, while Pageau suggests Christ is among Protestants similarly to how he is among non-Christians, prompting Ortlund to press whether Protestants differ from Buddhists.00:00 Debate Setup and Stakes00:52 Hidden Church vs Visible Church01:22 Theosis and Salvation Process03:41 Institutional Communion Claims04:39 Where the Gospel Goes Missing05:33 Works Anxiety and Purgatory Logic07:34 Gavin Pushes Back on Exclusivism11:13 Pageau on Christ Among All13:32 Protestants Compared to Buddhists14:16 Law, Works, and James 217:18 Gospel Creates the Church20:03 Ethereal Answers and Final Critique

    22 min

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For those on the cusp of faith, considering should you stay or should you go. Perhaps you’re ready to throw in the towel on this whole following Jesus thing because the suffering is too much to bear. This channel is dedicated to you ❤️‍🩹. Explore this middle ground between faith and unbelief.

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