The Road to Autonomy

Grayson Brulte

How would you feel if the transport truck beside you on the highway had no driver? Or the car passing beside you had no driver? Would it make a difference if the widespread deployment of autonomous trucks could ease supply chain problems almost overnight and that autonomous vehicles do not get distracted or speed? And would you feel better if you knew autonomous trucks and vehicles could reduce carbon emissions by 30 percent or more. Learn more from world's leading mobility experts on The Road to Autonomy®, an ahead-of-the-curve podcast hosted by Grayson Brulte.

  1. LiDAR Measures the Truth of the World

    8 HRS AGO

    LiDAR Measures the Truth of the World

    Angus Pacala, Co-Founder and CEO, Ouster joined Grayson Brulte to discuss the launch of the native color REV8 LiDAR and how Ouster is positioning itself as the foundational sensing and perception layer for the physical AI economy. The LiDAR industry is currently undergoing a continual thinning out as the market shakes out and separates companies with strong marketing from those with high-quality, safety-critical products. Ouster has distinguished themselves by developing their own in-house custom silicon that delivers performance improvements historically seen in the broader semiconductor industry. The introduction of native color, developed through partnerships with Fujifilm and DxOMark, provides roboticists with synchronized color and depth, allowing for better perception in fields such as agriculture and urban navigation, where sensing the state of a stoplight or the color of a plant is essential for autonomous decision-making. With Ouster’s recent acquisition of StereoLabs, the company has further expanded its reach into the humanoid and short-range robotics markets, offering a unified sensing platform that covers everything from long-range LiDAR to high-detail stereo vision. As Physical AI continues to accelerate, Ouster aims to be the sensing company for the autonomy economy. Episode Chapters 0:00 AUTNMY AI 0:36 Changing LiDAR Industry 03:56 Introducing REV8 13:42 Building Trust with Safety-Critical LiDAR 17:53 Why Custom Silicon is Ouster's Moat 25:33 Color Science Behind REV8 33:28 Can Color LiDAR Replace Cameras? 36:36 StereoLabs Acquisition 40:07 Ouster as a Sensing Company 49:46 Defense Applications 52:14 Future of Ouster -------- About The Road to Autonomy The Road to Autonomy is the leading applied intelligence platform covering the convergence of automation, autonomy, and the Autonomy Economy.™. Through our podcasts, newsletter, and proprietary applied intelligence, we set the narrative for institutional investors, industry executives, and policymakers navigating the convergence of automation, autonomy, and economic growth. Join institutional investors and industry leaders who read This Week in The Autonomy Economy every Sunday. Each edition delivers exclusive insight and commentary on the autonomy economy, helping you stay ahead of what's next. Sign up for This Week in The Autonomy Economy newsletter: https://www.roadtoautonomy.com/ae/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    56 min
  2. Autonomy Markets: Vegas Field Report and Autonomous Trucking Earnings

    3D AGO

    Autonomy Markets: Vegas Field Report and Autonomous Trucking Earnings

    This week on Autonomy Markets, Grayson Brulte and Walter Piecyk discuss Grayson’s Las Vegas field work riding in Zoox and Motional robotaxis, Uber’s earnings and the path to driver-out, and autonomous trucking earnings. The first thing Grayson did when he landed in Vegas was try to order a Zoox, but the service was not available until 11 AM and when it finally came online shortly after 11 AM, the wait time for the vehicle to arrive was 67 minutes. So he opened the Uber app and tried to order a Motional robotaxi, where he was paired with a Motional in under five minutes. During the one hour and seven minute Zoox wait time, he was able to ride down and back in two different Motional vehicles between Resorts World and the Luxor, arriving back with 21 minutes to spare. While he was in town, Grayson conducted field work at the Zoox depot where he counted more Toyota Highlander test vehicles than purpose-built Zoox robotaxis coming out of the depot. He also visited with the Nuro team at their test track at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway. While Grayson was busy conducting field work, Tesla crossed 10 billion FSD Supervised miles, while Uber’s autonomy overhang continues as the benchmark for deploying robotaxis is driver-out, not with safety attendants. Wrapping up the conversation, Grayson and Walt discussed the latest earnings from Aurora and Kodiak and what Grayson learned at the ACT Expo in Las Vegas. Episode Chapters 00:00 Field Work: Motional, Zoox and Las Vegas 20:57 Uber's Autonomy Overhang 23:50 Discounting Uber's Partnership with Waymo 26:44 Nuro and Lucid Prepare to Scale 32:52 Autonomous Trucking's Presence at the ACT Expo 34:41 Aurora, Kodiak Updates from Earnings 37:13 Politics and Autonomous Trucking in California 39:01 The No Safety Attendant Bar for Autonomous Trucking 44:10 Next Week -------- About The Road to Autonomy The Road to Autonomy is the leading applied intelligence platform covering the convergence of automation, autonomy, and the Autonomy Economy.™. Through our podcasts, newsletter, and proprietary applied intelligence, we set the narrative for institutional investors, industry executives, and policymakers navigating the convergence of automation, autonomy, and economic growth. Join institutional investors and industry leaders who read This Week in The Autonomy Economy every Sunday. Each edition delivers exclusive insight and commentary on the autonomy economy, helping you stay ahead of what's next. Sign up for This Week in The Autonomy Economy newsletter: https://www.roadtoautonomy.com/ae/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    45 min
  3. Autonomy Signals: Tesla Scales Unsupervised Robotaxis, Wisk Doubles Fleet, Meta Aspires to Build the Android of Humanoids

    3D AGO

    Autonomy Signals: Tesla Scales Unsupervised Robotaxis, Wisk Doubles Fleet, Meta Aspires to Build the Android of Humanoids

    This week on Autonomy Signals, Grayson Brulte and Rob Grant discuss Tesla’s Unsupervised Robotaxi expansion to Dallas and Houston, Wisk Aero doubling its Gen 6 flight test fleet, and Meta’s acquisition of Assured Robot Intelligence (ARI). Tesla recently launched Unsupervised Robotaxi in Houston and Dallas without chase vehicles, a structural shift from their January Austin debut where chase vehicles initially trailed the vehicles. The company’s Unsupervised Robotaxi fleet has grown to north of 36 vehicles across the Austin, Dallas, and Houston markets. As Tesla continues to scale, Wisk Aero doubled their Gen 6 test fleet and successfully completed the first uncrewed flight of its second production prototype in Hollister, California. While the technical milestone is impressive, it does not shorten the regulatory distance to FAA type certification for autonomous passenger operations, a path categorically more complex than the one Joby and Archer are navigating with piloted aircraft. Then there is Meta, which acquired Assured Robot Intelligence (ARI) and folded the team into their Superintelligence Labs. This acquisition is the clearest signal yet that Meta is positioning its robotics AI models to become the Android of humanoid robotics, potentially enabling ecosystem partners to accelerate hardware deployments with an open-source operating system. Episode Chapters 00:00 AUTNMY AI 01:31 Signal 1: Tesla Scales Unsupervised Robotaxis 30:41 Signal 2: Wisk Aero Doubles Gen 6 Test Fleet 50:32 Signal 3: Meta Acquires Assured Robot Intelligence (ARI) -------- About The Road to Autonomy The Road to Autonomy is the leading applied intelligence platform covering the convergence of automation, autonomy, and the Autonomy Economy.™. Through our podcasts, newsletter, and proprietary market intelligence, we set the narrative for institutional investors, industry executives, and policymakers navigating the convergence of automation, autonomy, and economic growth. Join institutional investors and industry leaders who read This Week in The Autonomy Economy every Sunday. Each edition delivers exclusive insight and commentary on the autonomy economy, helping you stay ahead of what's next. Subscribe today: https://www.roadtoautonomy.com/ae/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1h 7m
  4. Autonomy Markets: Big Week for U.S. Autonomous Trucks, While China Shuts Down Autonomy

    MAY 2

    Autonomy Markets: Big Week for U.S. Autonomous Trucks, While China Shuts Down Autonomy

    This week on Autonomy Markets, Grayson Brulte and Walter Piecyk discuss Bot Auto’s fully autonomous commercial run from Houston to Dallas, Aurora’s expanded partnership with Hirschbach, and Uber’s CTO publicly criticizing Waymo on X over safety. With Bot Auto completing a 231 mile commercial paid run with no human in the cab, no safety driver, and no observer, the conversation evolves into a deeper discussion around the imminent Waymo robotaxi moment for autonomous trucking, with Kodiak operating fully autonomous in the Permian Basin and Aurora announcing a non-binding 500 truck MOU with Hirschbach representing roughly 15 percent of the carrier’s fleet. While in Houston, Grayson conducted field work riding in a Tesla Unsupervised Robotaxi in the Cypress neighborhood, where he counted 24 robotaxis staged for launch at the Tesla service center, while observing that both the Tesla and Waymo vehicles drove aggressively in a similar manner to Houstonians. More signs emerged this week of the deteriorating relationship between Waymo and Uber as the CTO of Uber made a post on X accusing a Waymo of an aggressive maneuver against a Muni bus in San Francisco, a rare public criticism from a partner in a public forum, reinforcing the deteriorating relationship that appears to be on the verge of a divorce. On the Foreign Autonomy Desk, Grayson and Walt discuss China suspending new autonomous vehicle permits following the Baidu Apollo Go incident in Wuhan where 200 robotaxis simultaneously froze on March 31st, and WeRide’s partnership with Lenovo to deploy 200,000 robotaxis over the next five years against a current fleet of 1,125 vehicles. Episode Chapters 00:00 Field Work: Bot Auto Launches Fully Autonomous Commercial Service 05:42 Aurora's Expanded Partnership with Hirschbach 08:53 Congressman Ro Khanna's Anti-Autonomy Stance 11:18 Uber and Hertz Partner for Robotaxi Fleet Servicing 18:40 Avomo, Moove, and Uber's Fragmented Autonomy Strategy 20:07 Uber CTO Publicly Criticizes Waymo on X 24:13 Waymo's Next City: Cincinnati or Kansas City? 27:30 Tesla Unsupervised Robotaxi in Houston 34:37 China Suspends New Autonomous Vehicle Permits 39:14 WeRide and Lenovo to Deploy 200,000 Robotaxis 40:54 Next Week -------- About The Road to Autonomy The Road to Autonomy is the leading applied intelligence platform covering the convergence of automation, autonomy, and the Autonomy Economy.™. Through our podcasts, newsletter, and proprietary applied intelligence, we set the narrative for institutional investors, industry executives, and policymakers navigating the convergence of automation, autonomy, and economic growth. Join institutional investors and industry leaders who read This Week in The Autonomy Economy every Sunday. Each edition delivers exclusive insight and commentary on the autonomy economy, helping you stay ahead of what's next. Sign up for This Week in The Autonomy Economy newsletter: https://www.roadtoautonomy.com/ae/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    43 min
  5. Autonomy Signals: WeRide and Lenovo, Pronto Does a Deal, Bot Auto Goes Driver Out

    MAY 1

    Autonomy Signals: WeRide and Lenovo, Pronto Does a Deal, Bot Auto Goes Driver Out

    This week on Autonomy Signals, Grayson Brulte and Rob Grant discuss the WeRide and Lenovo autonomous vehicle partnership, Pronto’s first deal under Atoms with Mariana Minerals, and Bot Auto’s 231 mile driver out commercial run from Houston to Dallas. WeRide and Lenovo recently announced a five year non-binding partnership at Auto China 2026 to deploy 200,000 autonomous vehicles, a 200x scale from WeRide’s current global fleet of 1,023 vehicles, with Lenovo’s HPC 3.0 compute platform accelerating the growth. The HPC 3.0 platform performs under extreme temperatures with a focus on reducing emissions, signaling that the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and the European Union could be potential deployment markets. AUTNMY AI‘s proprietary OMEGA algorithm estimates fleet ownership costs between $10 and $20 billion. No funding partner or fleet owner partner has been announced to date. While WeRide and Lenovo made headlines this week, Pronto announced its first post-Atoms acquisition deal with Mariana Minerals. The mining company will deploy Pronto’s autonomous haulage trucks at the Copper One mine in southeastern Utah, beginning with three trucks and scaling to fifteen by year end. Then there is Bot Auto, which made history this week as the first company to deploy an autonomous truck for paid commercial over-the-road freight on the Houston to Dallas lane. The Road to Autonomy team was on the ground to witness Bot Auto successfully complete a 231 mile fully autonomous driver-out commercial run, no human in the cab, no observer, no individual with a CDL. A field report will be released next Tuesday. Episode Chapters 00:00 AUTNMY AI 02:00 Signal 1: WeRide and Lenovo Partner to Accelerate Autonomous Vehicle Deployments 26:21 Signal 2: Pronto Deploys Autonomous Haulage Trucks with Mariana Minerals 44:30 Signal 3: Bot Auto Goes Driver-Out Over-the-Road -------- About The Road to Autonomy The Road to Autonomy is the leading applied intelligence platform covering the convergence of automation, autonomy, and the Autonomy Economy.™. Through our podcasts, newsletter, and proprietary market intelligence, we set the narrative for institutional investors, industry executives, and policymakers navigating the convergence of automation, autonomy, and economic growth. Join institutional investors and industry leaders who read This Week in The Autonomy Economy every Sunday. Each edition delivers exclusive insight and commentary on the autonomy economy, helping you stay ahead of what's next. Subscribe today: https://www.roadtoautonomy.com/ae/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1h 1m
  6. Capital Is King: How Wall Street Is Funding the Autonomy Economy

    APR 28

    Capital Is King: How Wall Street Is Funding the Autonomy Economy

    Taylor Brownstein, Director, Technology Investment Banking, TD Cowen joined Grayson Brulte on The Road to Autonomy podcast to discuss how Wall Street is funding the autonomy economy. The autonomous vehicle and truck markets are currently experiencing a healthy rebound from the 2021 to 2023 hype cycle, driven by real commercialization, the Physical AI tailwind, and a more disciplined investor base that is now focusing on companies that are growing businesses focused on commercialization, not just technology. Capital is king. Over the next 18 months or so, the autonomy markets are expected to consolidate as companies that are unable to raise capital, retain and hire talent will fall further behind, as their competitors continue to raise capital that accelerates their growth. In this market, dual use is one of the most compelling opportunities as the Department of War actively embraces automation and autonomy. But at the end of the day, no matter what it all comes down to the economics of the business. Then there are the public markets. The SPAC window is currently open for companies with paying customers and the potential for long-term growth. While the traditional IPO path remains largely closed to pre-revenue/early-stage autonomy companies as SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic absorb all the air in the room, making SPACs paired with PIPE capital the most realistic route to the public markets for the next wave of autonomous vehicle and truck companies at this time. Episode Chapters 0:00 AUTNMY AI 0:37 Autonomy is Back in Vogue 4:11 Unit Economics 9:51 Dual-Use Applications 22:24 Consolidation 29:22 The Robotaxi Competitors: Waymo and Tesla 42:38 SPACs with PIPE Capital 45:05 Traditional IPOs 50:55 Market Signals  -------- About The Road to Autonomy The Road to Autonomy is the leading applied intelligence platform covering the convergence of automation, autonomy, and the Autonomy Economy.™. Through our podcasts, newsletter, and proprietary applied intelligence, we set the narrative for institutional investors, industry executives, and policymakers navigating the convergence of automation, autonomy, and economic growth. Join institutional investors and industry leaders who read This Week in The Autonomy Economy every Sunday. Each edition delivers exclusive insight and commentary on the autonomy economy, helping you stay ahead of what's next. Sign up for This Week in The Autonomy Economy newsletter: https://www.roadtoautonomy.com/ae/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    53 min
  7. Autonomy Markets: Tesla's Dedicated Superchargers Signal the Real Strategy as Robotaxi Scale Delayed

    APR 25

    Autonomy Markets: Tesla's Dedicated Superchargers Signal the Real Strategy as Robotaxi Scale Delayed

    This week on Autonomy Markets, Grayson Brulte and Walter Piecyk discuss Tesla’s dedicated Supercharger build-out for Robotaxi in Arizona, Kodiak’s autonomous trucking operations in the Permian Basin, and Mobileye’s defensive posture on their Q1 earnings call. With Tesla launching unsupervised robotaxis in Dallas and Houston this week, the conversation evolves into a deeper discussion around newly filed permits for 56 dedicated, non-public V4 Superchargers in Chandler, Arizona, and a second private charging depot in Mesa, signaling Tesla is building dedicated Robotaxi infrastructure as the original 12-market scale plan slips into Q3. Out in the Permian Basin, Grayson conducted field work with Kodiak and Atlas Energy Solutions, inspected the depot, and watched fully autonomous trucks operate off-road in the middle of the oil fields, picking up sand at the end of the 40-mile Dune Express sand conveyor. During Mobileye’s Q1 2026 earnings call, when asked about their autonomous driving partnerships, the tone turned defensive on Volkswagen’s longer-term commitment and the emerging competitive threat of NVIDIA’s growing ambitions. On the Foreign Autonomy Desk, Grayson and Walt discuss Huawei’s $11.7 billion continued commitment to autonomous driving on the mainland and Pony.ai’s plan to operate more than 3,000 robotaxis across 20 cities globally by the end of 2026, with over half deployed outside mainland China. Episode Chapters 00:00 Permian Basin Field Work: Kodiak & Atlas Energy Solutions 08:51 Tesla Launches Unsupervised Robotaxi in Dallas and Houston 13:16 Tesla's Dedicated Robotaxi Superchargers in Arizona 15:38 AUTNMY AI 16:45 Avride's 200 Vehicles 19:19 A Tale of Two SPACs, PlusAI & Einride 20:45 Zoox Expands Testing to Miami and Las Vegas Airport 23:55 Mobileye Goes on Autonomy Defense 32:22 Foreign Autonomy Desk 34:24 Next Week -------- About The Road to Autonomy The Road to Autonomy is the leading applied intelligence platform covering the convergence of automation, autonomy, and the Autonomy Economy.™. Through our podcasts, newsletter, and proprietary applied intelligence, we set the narrative for institutional investors, industry executives, and policymakers navigating the convergence of automation, autonomy, and economic growth. Join institutional investors and industry leaders who read This Week in The Autonomy Economy every Sunday. Each edition delivers exclusive insight and commentary on the autonomy economy, helping you stay ahead of what's next. Sign up for This Week in The Autonomy Economy newsletter: https://www.roadtoautonomy.com/ae/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    36 min
  8. Autonomy Signals: When a Military Signal Isn’t Necessarily a Commercial One

    APR 24

    Autonomy Signals: When a Military Signal Isn’t Necessarily a Commercial One

    This week on Autonomy Signals, Grayson Brulte and Rob Grant discuss autonomous military cargo helicopters, Caterpillar’s acquisition of Monarch Tractor’s intellectual property, and the termination of the PlusAI and Churchill Capital IX SPAC merger. Airbus recently conducted its fourth flight test of the MQ-72C autonomous cargo helicopter for the United States Marine Corps, in partnership with L3Harris, Perry Labs, and Shield AI. While the test was a success, AUTNMY AI‘s proprietary OMEGA algorithm assesses that the MQ-72C will not achieve commercial deployment before 2028. The market is potentially conflating the 2028 military initial operating capability target with commercial market entry, a category error that overstates the near-term commercial opportunity by two to three years and ignores the ITAR, FAA certification, and program authorization constraints that structurally preclude civilian deployment. Then there is Caterpillar’s acquisition of the intellectual property and core assets of Monarch Tractor. This is not an agriculture story, this is a data story. Caterpillar is acquiring eight years of real-world field data, two to four million labeled frames across 40,000 acres of specialty crop terrain, and a patent portfolio covering obstacle avoidance, vehicle follow systems, and battery swap technology. The Monarch acquisition represents a $15 to $40 million purchase of a $350 to $500 million replacement cost software and perception stack, compressing the model training timeline for edge case optical detection by an estimated 18 to 30 months. While Caterpillar is ingesting data to accelerate its construction and mining autonomy programs, the autonomous trucking capital markets delivered a different signal this week. PlusAI and Churchill Capital IX mutually agreed to terminate their proposed business combination. Even with the PlusAI SPAC being terminated, the autonomous trucking market as a whole remains healthy. Episode Chapters 00:00 AUTNMY AI 01:16 Signal 1: Airbus Completes 4th Flight Test of the MQ-72C Autonomous Cargo Helicopter 23:29 Signal 2: Caterpillar Acquires Monarch Tractor IP 47:17 Signal 3: PlusAI and Churchill Capital IX SPAC Termination -------- About The Road to Autonomy The Road to Autonomy is the leading applied intelligence platform covering the convergence of automation, autonomy, and the Autonomy Economy.™. Through our podcasts, newsletter, and proprietary market intelligence, we set the narrative for institutional investors, industry executives, and policymakers navigating the convergence of automation, autonomy, and economic growth. Join institutional investors and industry leaders who read This Week in The Autonomy Economy every Sunday. Each edition delivers exclusive insight and commentary on the autonomy economy, helping you stay ahead of what's next. Subscribe today for free: https://www.roadtoautonomy.com/ae/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

    1h 4m

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How would you feel if the transport truck beside you on the highway had no driver? Or the car passing beside you had no driver? Would it make a difference if the widespread deployment of autonomous trucks could ease supply chain problems almost overnight and that autonomous vehicles do not get distracted or speed? And would you feel better if you knew autonomous trucks and vehicles could reduce carbon emissions by 30 percent or more. Learn more from world's leading mobility experts on The Road to Autonomy®, an ahead-of-the-curve podcast hosted by Grayson Brulte.

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