The Run Out

Neil Barrett

Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to The Run Out. At The Run Out, we aren't media and we aren't analysts. Neil and Brandon are fans who sit down every week to give honest, direct opinions about the PLL, NLL, and the entire lacrosse world. We don't chase hype or try to create drama. We provide opinions rooted in a lifelong love for the game and a desire to see the sport thrive. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. 5d ago

    Nostalgia Pop

    MLL Throwback Weekend takes over the show. We go team by team on every uniform and helmet: the Outlaws' translation of the old MLL template, the Hounds' chrome gold helmet (best in the league, no debate), the Lizards' white and green miss, and why Boston's red jersey and silver helmet felt more Cornell than Cannons. Then the actual lacrosse: Boston beat the Whipsnakes in overtime on a Marcus Holman two-pointer, and we break down Emmett Carroll's brutal final-play blunder that nobody can fully explain. The Archers held off the Chaos, and Tom Schreiber was back at practice, which changes a few things about who Utah brings into the playoffs. We also get into the nostalgia of it all. MLL Throwback Weekend drew big numbers, but we dig into whether that's really about MLL nostalgia or just Boston being a great lacrosse town, and why a one-time nostalgia pop isn't a reason for the PLL to start turning every franchise back into its old MLL identity. The Atlas locked up the number one pick in the 2027 draft with a loss to the Outlaws, and something about this team feels genuinely different, not just bad. We debate who should go number one between Shawn Lyght and BVB, throw out a dark horse name, and map out what the Chaos actually need heading into the number two pick. Dillon Ward got pulled from Boston's win over California after an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and never came back, and nobody's said why. We also run through the weekend's roster moves, including two IR placements, a familiar face returns to the Waterdogs' goalie room, and a signing that says more about next season than this one. On the women's side, the Palms demolished the Guard 21-9 to set up a championship matchup with the Charm, and we argue out who actually deserves WLL MVP. If you want to keep talking lacrosse between episodes, that's what the Lax Lifers Club is for. Join Here

  2. Aug 5

    Holy Buzzer Beater Batman

    Denver went into Columbus down two of their best players and still walked out with a buzzer-beating victory. Brennan O'Nell looked like himself again with 6 points, and Ryan Terefenko's game-winner with four seconds left got overturned from no goal to goal on review. We break down what it means with Pat Kavanagh and Jared Bernhardt out, and why Owen McElroy might have earned himself the next start over Logan McNaney. Utah's goalie situation is a mess of its own. JC Higginbotham made his first career start count in a win over Utah, and we get into whether Colin Kirst gets his job back or has to earn it. That game also gave us the wildest scene of the weekend: an Archers-Whipsnakes shoving match that ended with three guys missing their helmets and Brett Dobson in the middle of it. CJ Kirst and Michael Sowers are still splitting hairs at the top of the MVP race, and we argue about what a rough shooting night from Kirst does to his case. The Redwoods put up 21 on the Atlas, the most points ever scored by a team in a single game, and Chris Kavanaugh's big performance reignited the "nine guys went ahead of him in the draft" debate. We push back on some of that discourse. Ally Kennedy and Team USA won their fifth straight World Lacrosse Championship, and we make the case that she might be the best lacrosse player on the planet right now. Then the PLL, WLL, and NLL announced the Global Lacrosse Games, a Sixes event replacing the Championship Series this December, and we spend a good chunk of the show arguing about how Team USA should actually build that roster. Plus a Syracuse five for five update, the NLL's new app, and a card show heist that has nothing to do with lacrosse but everything to do with our week. New episode of TRO is up. Come argue about all of it with us in the Lax Lifers Club. Join Here

  3. Jul 29

    Denver Was An Odyssey

    This week the PLL set up shop in Denver for a rain-soaked, chaotic weekend, and we break down all four games. The Archers looked like the best team in the league, sweeping both the Outlaws and the Whipsnakes by a combined 32-19 and finally getting Trey LeClaire fully involved in the offense. The Waterdogs beat the Atlas 11-10 in Gavin Adler's first game against his former team, and we get into whether the Atlas, who keep losing games by one, are actually close or just playing out the string toward a top pick. The Outlaws were the story nobody wanted to be. They dropped their third straight first quarter and got run out of their own building 18-8 by the Waterdogs, with Brennan O'Neill sitting out an apparent knee injury that's now headed for re-evaluation. We dig into O'Neill's brutal 13 percent shooting season, a sideline play call that nobody on the field seemed to run, and a Lax Lifers debate we didn't expect to be having: should the Outlaws actually trade Brennan O'Neill and rebuild. Elsewhere, the Carolina Chaos beat Boston 13-12 in overtime on a Teddy Malone game winner, and we make our case for Chad Palumbo as Rookie of the Year, visor celly and all. We also break down the news that five Syracuse players, including Joey Spallina and Billy Dwan, have joined a lawsuit against the NCAA seeking a fifth year of eligibility for the class of 2022, the first class left out of the five-for-five rule. If it goes through, it could void PLL contracts and reshape how the league and college programs handle player rights going forward. We get into why we think it's an uphill fight and what a national title with a giant asterisk would actually mean. We close with Team USA's women going 3-0 at the World Championships in Tokyo and pointing toward a final against Canada, plus NLL free agency news on Will Malcolm and Alex Stathakis. If you want to join the discussion about any of this, that's what the Lax Lifers Club is for. Join Here

  4. Jul 22

    Dobber 4 MVP

    This week Rob Pannell passed Paul Rabil for the all-time points record in pro field lacrosse, and we get into all of it: breaking it with a goal instead of an assist, the Whipsnakes' 20-7 demolition of the Redwoods, and what it says that he did it in a blowout instead of coasting once the team had it locked up. That turns into a real Mount Rushmore conversation. Where does Pannell actually rank all time? We argue about Gary Gait, John Grant Jr, Mark Millon, Lyle Thompson, and Mikey Powell, and land on an Emmitt Smith comparison we think actually fits. On the field, the Utah Archers throttled Philadelphia 18-8 behind a Tre LeClaire revival, and we finally ask the question seriously: when does Brett Dobson get into the MVP conversation with CJ Kirst? Boston beat up on a New York Atlas team that once again has more name recognition than results, and we debate who we trust more down the stretch, Utah or Boston. The WLL delivered one of its best games of the inaugural season. Maryland's Brigid Duffy and Boston's Rachel Clark both put up historic stat lines in the same game, records fell everywhere, and the Charm clinched a spot in the first ever WLL Championship. We also cover the Rochester Knighthawks bringing back their teal and purple colors, a report that other teams offered Ottawa as many as five first round picks for Jeff Teat, a scary injury to Carolina's Jack Rowlett, and the NLL's newest Hall of Fame class. If you want to keep arguing about any of this after the episode ends, that's what the Lax Lifers Club is for. Join Here

  5. Jul 15

    Cannon Fodder No More

    Denver walked into the weekend as ESPN's number one team in the league. They walked out 3-3, upset 15-13 by a Boston Cannons team that was under .500 coming in. We get into why this loss still doesn't shake our belief that the Outlaws have the best roster top to bottom in the league, and why a game where Jared Bernhardt, Pat Kavanaugh, and Logan Wisnauskis all had quiet nights at the same time is more concerning than the final score. The Waterdogs keep rolling. Their 15-13 win over the Redwoods pushed them to 4-2 and first place in the East, and CJ Kirst put together another performance that has us deep into the MVP conversation. We break down his pace toward 50 goals this season, which would shatter Marcus Holman's single-season record, and explain why we're still not ready to crown him the best all-around player in the world. The Whipsnakes rolled the Chaos 17-10, and Rob Pannell is three points from Paul Rabil's all-time PLL scoring record. We also cover the ESPN+ stream glitch that had the league sweating through that chase. The Archers put a beating on the Atlas, 16-5, and Mike Pressler's postgame comments about players not listening kicked off a rare public airing of grievances from the defending champs. On the WLL side, the Charm's 16-15 win over the Charging, saved by a last-second stop in net, (currently) knocked the Charging out of championship contention just weeks after they looked like a lock. We also spend real time on the new PLL Indigenous Heritage jerseys, and we do not hold back. We close out looking ahead to a three-day weekend of lacrosse at Fairfield, including Rob Pannell's continued chase for the record book and a WLL matchup between Boston's Guard and Maryland's Charm with real stakes attached. Join us in the Lax Lifers Club to keep the conversation going all week. Join Here

  6. Jul 8

    All-Star Hangover

    All-Star Weekend gave us the same story it always seems to give us: the women showed up, and the men did not. Team Izzy beat Team Humphrey 16-15 on a Marie McCool buzzer beater, and it was everything the PLL All-Star Game wasn't. The men finished 12-9, shot a combined 19% and 18%, and four minutes in, Marcus Holman told the country everybody was hungover. We get into why that game keeps missing and what we'd actually do to fix it. The skills contests didn't fare much better. A busted radar gun turned the fastest shot competition into a slog, the accuracy challenge is still not actually testing accuracy, and we pitch a few ways the whole weekend could be built out into something worth attending, fireworks included. On the field, the MVP conversation is heating up. CJ Kirst is doing things we haven't seen since Jeff Teat's record season, Dylan Ward and Brett Dobson deserve to be in that conversation too, and we argue about where the line is for guys who front-load their stats in one or two big games. Adam Lamberti's early draft big board is out, and it sent us down a rabbit hole about the Outlaws sitting on two first round picks next year, thanks to the trade that sent Ryan Cross to Denver. We also cover the Zach Carey report on Tom Schreiber and Grant Ament, and why an Olympic year retirement is starting to feel more likely than a return. We close out looking ahead to this weekend's slate in Chicago: five games including Utah-New York and California-Philly, plus win-or-be-in-real-trouble stakes in the WLL between Maryland and New York. Join us in the Lax Lifers Club to keep the conversation going all week. Join Here

  7. Jul 1

    Who's #2?

    Brandon's out this week, so I brought in Jackson Van Vlake of Empty the Quiver to help break down a chaotic PLL weekend. Boston beat California 15-12, and the story wasn't Boston, it was Owen Grant holding Dylan Malloy to one goal a week after he dropped seven, reportedly fueled by getting clipped in a social media post. The Outlaws throttled the Whipsnakes 13-7 behind their four Tewaaraton winners and what might be the best defense in the league. The Redwoods needed overtime to survive the Chaos, 14-13, on a Dylan Malloy game winner just hours after his quiet afternoon game. We spend a good chunk of the show trying to figure out who's actually the league's second-best team behind Denver, and it's a lot murkier than it looked two weeks ago. We also get into the Archers' rough weekend. A loss to the Waterdogs came with the most penalty minutes we can remember one team taking in a game, most of them completely unnecessary. Jackson, an Archers die-hard, doesn't shy away from it. We talk through what CJ Kirst did to Aidan Maguire, why Ryan Steins might be the steal of the draft, and whether the number one pick conversation around Maguire has gotten unfair to him as a rookie short stick defensive midfielder. The NCAA officially passed the five-for-five eligibility rule, and nobody, us included, fully knows what it means yet. We get into why guys like Bobby Van Buren could theoretically stick around college even longer and why Sean Light's decision might be the one that reshapes the whole thing. On the WLL side, the Palms blew out the Charging 16-9 to take over first place, and did it without their number one overall pick, who hasn't even suited up yet. We close out with All-Star roster replacements, the new uniforms, and a debate about what actually counts as being an "all-star" when you're a late add because someone else got hurt. If you want to keep the conversation going after the episode ends, the Lax Lifers Club is where we live between shows. Join Here

  8. Jun 24

    Nolting to See Here

    The Boston Cannons just cut Asher Nolting. A 4x All-Star, a 2x First Team All-Pro, a 2x AOTY finalist, and an MVP finalist, in his first 4 years in the league. One game into his season, two points, and he is gone. We get into why this feels like it has nothing to do with what is happening on the field, why it rhymes with the Connor Fields situation back in 2020. The Whipsnakes were up 10-3 on the Atlas and lost 16-14. We try to figure out if it is the biggest collapse we have ever seen in this league, land on the Brennan O'Neill Archers game as the one that might still top it, and Neil describes taking your foot so far off the gas that it ends up in the backseat. Connor Schellenberger is starting to look like he gets it. Whether that says more about New York or about Maryland is the real question. We also hand out the Dylan Molloy game. Seven goals to tie the single game record, back to back weeks of somebody doing it, and Brett Dobson calling him the closest thing to John Grant Jr. since John Grant Jr. We are not sure we see the comparison. We are pretty sure we see 2019 Matt Rambo instead. There is also a long, painful detour into fantasy lacrosse and the specific genius of benching every player right before he goes off. On the WLL side, the New York Charging keep doing what their name suggests. Madison Doucette set a league record with a 63 percent night, the Charm shot 21 percent, and we are running out of ways to explain how anyone beats this team. Plus the All-Star rosters dropped, voted by the fans, off two games, and we get into why that is a problem. Snubs, visa issues keeping rookies out, Trevor Baptiste making it as a face-off All-Star after playing two games, and the hot seat debate between Brian Holman and Chris Bates. We close on the Hall of Fame, Joe Tsai going in as the first contributor, and whether that is fair. If you want to keep the conversation going after the episode ends, the Lax Lifers Club is where we live between shows.Join Here

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Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to The Run Out. At The Run Out, we aren't media and we aren't analysts. Neil and Brandon are fans who sit down every week to give honest, direct opinions about the PLL, NLL, and the entire lacrosse world. We don't chase hype or try to create drama. We provide opinions rooted in a lifelong love for the game and a desire to see the sport thrive. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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