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The #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Tune in every week to hear Sam Jacobs, AJ Bruno and Asad Zaman discuss and debate the trends, news, and developments impacting the B2B tech world. Enjoy the hot takes, strong opinions, and dry humor.

  1. 5D AGO

    AI Talent Wars: OpenAI, Thinking Machines & Meta Fighting For Breakthroughs

    The AI arms race is getting ugly. With top talent bouncing between Thinking Machines and OpenAI, the guys debate a critical question for every leader: Is loyalty dead, or has Silicon Valley just stopped pretending? Sam, Asad, and AJ discuss the ethics and dangers of the "secure the bag" mindset and what it means for building enduring companies. They also pivot to the tactical side of leadership, breaking down why most managers wait too long to fire and the hard truth that "what you allow, you encourage." Key topics: The Thinking Machines exodus: Performance issues or corporate sabotage? Do ethics actually matter when the prize is AGI? The one management mantra every GTM leader needs for a high performing team Quitting the content hamster wheel: The hosts' priorities for the next chapter.   Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Sunday Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast!   Chapters: 00:00 Intro: Top Line, Pavilion Gold, and Today's Agenda 02:28 The Thinking Machines Exodus and OpenAI's Hiring Spree 08:08 Capital Incentives: Why Tech Talent Has Become Mercenary 14:03 The Core Debate: Do Values Matter in Modern Tech? 18:41 The "Get the Bag" Mentality vs. Building Forever Companies 23:00 The Risks of Accelerating into a Future Without Ethics 31:28 Impact on GTM: Shorter Tenures and Transactional Hiring 34:25 Why Swiftly Correcting Underperformance is an Act of Loyalty 45:00 Why Organizational Values Are Useless Without Defined Behaviors 01:00:38 Final Question: What Are You Under-Prioritizing for 2026?

    1h 8m

  2. JAN 25

    The Job Market Just Completely Flipped (Nobody's Talking About It)

    AJ and Asad talk about one of the most insane job markets we've ever seen, the rise of AI agents, and the future of AI's talent wars.  Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Sunday Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast!   Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Hosts 00:32 The Golden Age of Sales 00:55 Sales Roles and AI 12:30 Branding vs. Performance Marketing 21:05 The Role of Brand in B2B Tech 30:18 The Notion Dilemma 40:40 The Importance of Letting Go  50:39 The Golden Era of Sales  59:59 Reading Tips and Longevity Investments

    1h 7m

  3. JAN 18

    These Charts Explain 2026

    Sam, Asad, and AJ are back to debate the hard numbers shaping the GTM landscape in 2026. The consensus? The freeze is thawing, but the rules have changed. Sam predicts we've entered the "Year of the Deal." Investors are exhausted, founders are tired, and the market is finally ready to clear—even if that means restructuring cap tables to take the win and move on. Asad brings the sobering data on the "Great Concentration," revealing that almost half of venture capital went to a surprisingly small number of companies, while AJ argues that without a compelling AI narrative, traditional SaaS assets will face a brutal valuation ceiling.   Chapters: 00:36 Welcome to 2026: Intro and Hosts 02:30 Quiz Pro Quo 08:56 Sam's Prediction: The Year of the Deal 13:53 AI-Native vs. Traditional Investment Trends 16:42 Founder Exhaustion and the Acceptance of Lower Exits 19:40 The VC Perspective on Clearing "Vintage" Funds 24:00 Advice for Seed Founders: Shut Down or Sell? 28:22 Sam's Bearish Take on OpenAI's Financials 31:12 Testing the Stickiness of AI Models 38:03 Asad's Prediction: The Era of Capital Concentration 43:21 Why 2026 Will See Increased Layoffs 46:37 The Confusion of a High-Churn Job Market 50:19 Shoutouts and Personal Reflections

    56 min

  4. JAN 11

    The 13 AI Agents Inside a $90 Billion Machine

    MIT reports that 95% of AI initiatives are failing to show ROI. Pablo Dominguez, Operating Partner at Insight Partners, joins the show to explain how to escape that group, and be in the 5% of companies that succeed. Pablo opens the playbook on "Dylan," Insight's internal system of 13 autonomous agents that cut their due diligence process from 35 hours down to 14. Other high points: How Insight used tools like Relevance AI and Gong to build an agent swarm that handles research, analysis, and data cleaning. Why Engineers aren't necessarily who you'd want to build these workflows (and who you need instead) How the CEO of a successful SaaS company is aiming for 5x developer productivity in 2026 Plus the "why" behind some spicy 2026 predictions like: the death of the traditional CRM, Sam Altman's potential exit from OpenAI, and the coming consolidation of "vibe coding" platforms. Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Sunday Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast!   Chapters: 00:00 Introduction: Pablo Dominguez and Insight Partners 04:57 Insight's Structure and Value Creation Engine 08:12 Why Most Companies Fail to Get AI ROI 11:05 Case Study: Automating Diligence with AI Agents 15:39 Resources Required to Build Autonomous Systems 21:23 Managing Hallucinations and Accuracy in AI 31:09 Scaling AI Literacy and Organizational Fluency 37:15 Measuring Engineering Productivity and Cloud Coding 43:14 Balancing AI Automation with Human Authenticity 52:23 Market Trends: Buyer Behavior and Churn Risks 57:18 The Spectrum: From Workflows to Agentic Systems 01:01:13 Why Retention Issues Are Always Product Problems 01:04:35 Bold Industry Predictions for 2026 01:05:43 The Potential Death of the Traditional CRM

    1h 13m

  5. JAN 4

    He Built a SaaS Monster with $1 Million (And Refused to Raise More)

    Wade Foster (CEO) built Zapier into a profitable powerhouse without traditional VC funding—just $1M post-YC, then profitable ever since. On this episode, the co-founder and CEO shares how that capital discipline shaped their ability to pivot hard when AI hit. Wade also dishes on: The GPT-4 moment that shifted Zapier's roadmap A tested formula for AI agents that actually work How to incentivize internal AI adoption   Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Sunday Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast!   Chapters: 00:00 Introduction: Wade Foster and the Age of Agents 02:38 Zapier's Origin: Solving the SaaS Integration Problem 04:14 From Zaps to Agents: The Evolution of Automation 05:07 How GPT-4 Changed Zapier's Internal Strategy 06:43 Unstructured Data and the Rise of Vibe Building 09:56 Why Long-Term Product Roadmaps Are Now Obsolete 13:00 Transitioning from PLG to Enterprise Amidst Competition 17:58 What Actually Works: Defining Successful Agentic Workflows 20:59 Building an AI-Literate Company Culture 26:18 Future Outlook: AI Bubbles vs. Product Reality 27:38 Navigating Board Expectations During Technology Shifts 30:23 Zapier's Capital Efficiency and Fundraising History 33:58 Founder Advice: Prioritizing Long-Term Thinking

    39 min

  6. 2025-12-21

    $50k vs $500K vs $50M Sales People - How to WIN In Modern Sales

    We are multi-million-dollar CEOs specializing in sales and go to market teams in tech. We've met more millionaire sales people than you can count. This is exactly how to explode your income in our favorite career path. We are multi-million-dollar CEOs specializing in sales and go to market teams in tech. We've met more millionaire sales people than you can count. This is exactly how to explode your income in our favorite career path. Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Sunday Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast!   Chapters: 01:46 Sales Market Trivia: Headcounts and Income Statistics 07:14 CRO Compensation Realities and OTE Attainment 11:36 Can You Make $100k in Your First Year? 15:53 Essential Personality Traits for Top Sales Performance 21:25 The Timeline to Earning $200k and $300k 30:23 Strategies for Earning $1 Million in Sales 33:10 Executive Equity and Valuation Multiples in AI 38:10 Debate: Is OpenAI Too Big to Fail? 44:06 Kyle Poyar Joins: The State of AI Growth 45:17 Why AI Implementations Are Missing Expectations 50:32 Product Market Fit and AI-Driven Disillusionment 01:05:10 The Decline of Seat-Based Pricing Models 01:09:44 Emerging Pricing Models: Credits and Pass-Through Costs 01:17:48 The $500 Billion OpenAI Investment Question

    1h 20m

  7. 2025-12-14

    How AI Killed the Ivy League Advantage

    In this episode of Top Line, Sam Jacobs, Asad Zaman, and A.J. Bruno dive into the economic and mental health crises facing young professionals, analyzing data on why entry-level opportunities are shrinking in the age of AI.  Shifting to business strategy, the group also examines the nuances of pricing power, warning companies against raising rates without delivering commensurate value to the customer.  Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Sunday Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview 00:35 Quiz Pro: Testing Knowledge with Fun Questions 02:40 Discussion on Young Professionals' Challenges 13:44 Advice for Young Professionals Entering the Workforce 15:43 Mental Health and Employment Challenges 20:50 The Impact of Technology and Inequality 32:57 Navigating Career Choices for Young Professionals 33:22 The Importance of Cultural and Historical Awareness 34:57 Balancing STEM and Humanities in Education 35:21 Building Community and Identity 36:35 Practical Advice for Job Seekers 38:56 The Challenge of Pricing in Today's Market 45:16 The Impact of Private Equity on Industries 51:57 The Role of Strategy in Business Success 58:49 Personal Reflections and Inspirations

    1h 11m

  8. 2025-11-30

    The $7 Trillion AI Buildout Has a Problem

    We did a comprehensive study on the state of data centers. Where is money going? Where should you be betting? Everything you need to know about data centers, all in one place.  Thanks for tuning in! Catch new episodes every Sunday Subscribe to Topline Newsletter. Tune into Topline Podcast, the #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Join the free Topline Slack channel to connect with 600+ revenue leaders to keep the conversation going beyond the podcast! Chapters: 00:00 Intro and Cold Open 01:18 Quiz Pro Quo: AI Infrastructure Stats and Energy Costs 06:14 Market Volatility and the "AI Bubble" 09:42 Navigating a Brutal Executive Job Market 11:33 Why Private Market M&A Has Stalled 13:54 Is This a Crash or the Industrial Revolution? 26:30 Investing in OpenAI: Risk vs. Reward 30:23 Optimism Meter: Rating the Market Outlook 38:25 Debating AI SDRs and Outbound Efficacy 41:46 Diagnosing Failure: Product vs. Execution 47:46 Rethinking Valuations: EBITDA vs. Revenue 57:39 Hiring Trends: The "Step-Up" Candidate Advantage 01:02:35 Bold Predictions: Nuclear, Events, and Engagement Teams

    1h 9m
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The #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Tune in every week to hear Sam Jacobs, AJ Bruno and Asad Zaman discuss and debate the trends, news, and developments impacting the B2B tech world. Enjoy the hot takes, strong opinions, and dry humor.

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  • Creator
    Pavilion
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    228
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 012671
  • Show Website
    Topline

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