Trail Break Radio

Winter Wildlands Alliance

Trail Break Radio, the Winter Wildlands Alliance podcast, takes you beyond the well-trodden path, delving into diverse topics shaping our commitment to protect America’s wild snowscapes. From promoting equitable outdoor access to sharing tales of adventure, we offer fresh insights into recreating on and stewarding our cherished wild spaces. Join the dialogue with experts in public lands management, policy, ecology, and activism, echoing the grassroots spirit that defines Winter Wildlands Alliance.

  1. APR 9

    Big Enough for the Both of Us? Balancing Recreation and Wildlife Habitat

    With winter recreation and mountain town populations booming, more people are recreating in sensitive wildlife habitat. That raises a tricky question: when land managers decide to close a trail or restrict access, and what evidence do they use to make that call? Often, those decisions rely on research from studies done somewhere else, in different places with different conditions. And that can make it difficult for land managers and wildlife advocates to explain those decisions to the public. It also leads to some bigger questions. Is there such a thing as enough wildlife habitat? Is there such a thing as enough trails and outdoor access? What about “enough” trails or outdoor recreation access? And, how do we balance these sometimes-competing uses of public lands? SPEAKERS:  Cal Waichler, Project Coordinator, ⁠Cascades Wolverine Project⁠ Joel Sisolak, Lands Planning and Recreation Manager, ⁠Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife⁠ Trevor Kostanich, AMGA-certified ⁠ski guide⁠ and author Moderator: Kurt Hellman, Wildlife-Recreation Coexistence Senior Coordinator, ⁠Conservation Northwest⁠ RESOURCES: ⁠Cascades Wolverine Project⁠⁠⁠⁠Community Observations Map⁠⁠WolverineWatch.org⁠Conservation Northwest⁠⁠"Your Stoke Won't Save Us"Wintering Wildlife Conservation Initiative ⁠Subscribe to Winter Wildlands Alliance⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Winter Wildlands Alliance Stash Blog⁠⁠⁠Winter Wildlands Alliance Action Center SUPPORTED BY: Outdoor Alliance, REI Co-op, The Mountaineers, Duct Tape Then Beer/Dirt Bag Diaries, High Country News, Phreem Family Brewers, and University of Washington’s Pack Forest. CREDITS: Produced and co-hosted by Anneka Williams and Emily ScottEdited by Adam Titmuss Theme music by Rattlesnake Preachers feat. Kerry McClayAdditional Music by Blue Dot Sessions

    1h 5m
  2. MAR 25

    Indigenous Leadership in Public Lands Stewardship

    We often talk about public lands as playgrounds. But for many tribal nations, these places are homelands. Outdoor recreation is growing. Trailheads are full. Alpine lakes see record visitation. Social media drives more people to once-quiet places. And while that growth is a testament to how much people love wild places, it can come with real consequences. For tribal nations across Washington State, increased recreation on public lands directly impacts ancestral lands, treaty-protected rights, and the wildlife and ecosystems tribes have stewarded for generations. How do we balance growing outdoor recreation with Tribal sovereignty, cultural access, and stewardship of ancestral lands? As recreation expands, how do we move forward responsibly? SPEAKERS:  Libby Nelson, Sr. Environmental Policy Analyst, Tulalip TribesSarah Ballew, External Affairs Program Manager, Snoqualmie TribeEzekiel Rohloff, Wildlife Biologist, Snoqualmie TribeJoel Sisolak, Lands Planning and Recreation Manager, Washington Department of Fish & WildlifeModerator: Betsy Robblee, Conservation and Advocacy Director, The Mountaineers RESOURCES: The Recreation Boom on Public Lands in Western Washington: Impacts to Wildlife and Implications for Treaty TribesSnoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands MovementState Tribal Recreation Impact Initiative (STRI)⁠⁠Subscribe to Winter Wildlands Alliance⁠⁠⁠⁠Winter Wildlands Alliance Stash Blog⁠⁠ SUPPORTED BY: Outdoor Alliance, REI Co-op, The Mountaineers, Duct Tape Then Beer/Dirt Bag Diaries, High Country News, Phreem Family Brewers, and University of Washington’s Pack Forest. CREDITS: Produced and co-hosted by Anneka Williams and Emily ScottEdited by Adam Titmuss Theme music by Rattlesnake Preachers feat. Kerry McClayAdditional Music by Blue Dot Sessions

    1h 4m
  3. FEB 4

    Public Lands From the Ground Up: Where Do We Go From Here?

    The agencies charged with managing our federal public lands have been deeply understaffed and chronically underfunded for decades—even before the current administration’s chainsaw approach to government. Many in the public have long been frustrated with the perceived complexity and inefficiency of public process and decision-making. Now, in the wake of the deepest cuts in the history of America’s public lands, are there silver linings for the future? Are there (or will there be) opportunities for legitimate reform that might actually improve the ways that public lands agencies balance sustainable recreation management with resource protection and conservation? SPEAKERS:  Susan Jane Brown, Principal & Chief Legal Counsel, Silvix ResourcesHilary Eisen, Federal Policy Director, Wild MontanaMegan Birzell, Washington State Director, The Wilderness SocietyModerator: Fitz Cahall, Dirtbag Diaries RESOURCES: ⁠Travel Management Rule⁠ Winter Wildlands Alliance Action Center Subscribe to Winter Wildlands Alliance Winter Wildlands Alliance Stash Blog SUPPORTED BY: Outdoor Alliance, REI Co-op, The Mountaineers, Duct Tape Then Beer/Dirt Bag Diaries, High Country News, Phreem Family Brewers,University of Washington’s Pack Forest, and Mountain Training Center CREDITS: Produced and co-hosted by Anneka Williams and Emily Scott Edited by Adam Titmuss Theme music by Rattlesnake Preachers feat. Kerry McClay Additional Music by Blue Dot Sessions

    1h 8m
  4. 2025-05-08 ·  BONUS

    Keeping Winter Wild: with Hilary Eisen

    What does it take to protect your favorite wild snowscapes—and who’s actually making those decisions? Hilary Eisen, our National Policy Director at Winter Wildlands Alliance, joins the SnowBrains podcast with Miles Clark to peel back the curtain on how we're advocating for backcountry recreation access for all, how grassroots organizations play a vital role in public land management, the challenges and successes of navigating winter policy, and much more. MEET HILARY EISEN: Hilary is an avid backcountry skier and ice climber with a passion for wild landscapes. She leads Winter Wildlands Alliance's work on National Forest winter travel management, forest planning, and other policy issues. Hilary works with our members, grassroots and grasstops partners, agency staff, and elected officials to protect wild snowscapes across the United States. Hilary started her career in public lands in the backcountry, maintaining Forest Service trails and educating the public about Wilderness stewardship as a Wilderness Ranger while spending winters working on wildlife research projects. Prior to joining WWA in 2014, she worked on public lands conservation in Wyoming and Montana. She received her B.A. in conservation biology from Middlebury College and a Master’s degree in wildlife biology from the University of Montana. Email Hilary at heisen@winterwildlands.org. LINKS: The SnowBrains PodcastLearn more and support our policy work Follow @winterwildlandsalliance on InstagramPledge to Ski Kind CREDITS: Trail Break Radio Producer: Emily Scott SnowBrains Podcast: Created by Miles Clark, Edited by Liam Abbott, and music by Chad Croutch Theme music:⁠ ⁠Rattlesnake Preachers⁠⁠ feat. Kerry McClay

    1h 3m
  5. 2024-10-02 ·  BONUS

    Inside SnowSchool with Kerry McClay

    How do we break down barriers to winter access and inspire the next generation of outdoor stewards? What does it take to connect 35,000 kids annually to snow, science, and conservation? Kerry McClay, the founder and director of SnowSchool at Winter Wildlands Alliance, sits down with Life in Motion host Jeremy Lux to explore how SnowSchool has grown into a national program. Kerry shares his journey into outdoor education and conservation, discusses the importance of introducing kids to wild snowscapes, and highlights the challenges of making winter recreation accessible to all. MEET KERRY MCCLAY: Kerry joined Winter Wildlands Alliance in 2013 after helping establish the National Flagship SnowSchool site with Bogus Basin Mountain Recreation Area and the Boise National Forest. Kerry is a graduate of the University of Montana and Prescott College, and completed a Doctorate of Education at Boise State University. Working collaboratively with snow scientists and educators, Kerry designed the innovative SnowSchool curriculum now utilized across the US snow-belt to introduce thousands of children to the joy of exploring their local winter wildlands every season. Kerry lives in Boise and enjoys being outside whenever possible with his wife and their young daughter. Email Kerry at kmcclay@winterwildlands.org. LINKS: ⁠Life in Motion podcast Learn more and support SnowSchool @WWASnowSchool on Instagram SPONSORED BY⁠: Actual Outdoors CREDITS: Trail Break Radio Producer: Emily Scott Life in Motion Host: Jeremy Lux with Illumine Collect Theme music:⁠ ⁠Rattlesnake Preachers⁠⁠ feat. Kerry McClay

    54 min
  6. 2024-02-23 ·  BONUS

    Hypocrite: With Amie Engerbretson

    How do we address "The Hypocrite" in all of us? How much do our individual actions actually matter in the face of climate change and systemic environmental issues? Can we drop our judgments of others and of ourselves in order to take positive action and work together for the common good? Will snowmobilers and skiers ever find a way to get along? Amie Engerbretson, snowmobiler, filmmaker and professional skier, sits down with David Page, Winter Wildlands Alliance’s  Executive Director, to shed light on the importance of uniting all outdoor enthusiasts—regardless of their recreational choices—in the fight against climate change while giving us a behind-the-scenes look at her latest film, "The Hypocrite." MEET AMIE ENGERBRETSON: Amie is a multifaceted professional skier known for her dynamic presence in the mountains. Beginning her skiing journey at Palisades Tahoe, she has since showcased her skills in renowned productions such as ‘Weak Layers,’ ‘Timeless,’ and ‘Boots Over Brim.’ With a degree in Media Management from Columbia College, Amie transitions often between roles behind and in front of the camera. Her diverse portfolio includes films, print, videos, and her podcast, "Long Underwear." Recognized for her climate advocacy, she was awarded the 2021 Alliance Member of the Year by Protect Our Winters for her impactful contributions to climate action. Follow Amie on Instagram @AmieSki. LINKS: ‘The Hypocrite’ ⁠Backcountry Film Festival⁠ ⁠Ski Kind⁠ SPONSORED BY⁠: Mammoth Brewing Company’s Ski Kind Mountain Lager  TRANSCRIPT: (⁠⁠⁠available here⁠⁠⁠) CREDITS: Editor and Audio Engineer: Tess Goodwin Host: David Page Producer: Emily Scott Theme music: ⁠Rattlesnake Preachers⁠ feat. Kerry McClay

    1h 2m
  7. 2024-01-12

    Stewarding Winter

    With more of us recreating on our winter snowscapes, how can we improve partnerships with land managers and other users to educate the growing number of winter recreationists? How can land managers help us reduce our collective impact on the lands where we recreate?  SPEAKER BIOS: Tyler Ray: Tyler is an outdoor recreation attorney and advocate based in New Hampshire. He is the founder of Backyard Concept, LLC, and co-founder of Granite Backcountry Alliance, a WWA Grassroots Group pioneering the use of active forest glading as a winter recreation management tool on National Forest lands in New Hampshire and Maine. Tyler is also co-founder, with WWA, of the Ski Kind brand. Anne Gaspar: Previously a USFS Wilderness Ranger, Timber Stand Improvement team member, Canada Lynx researcher, and Trails Coordinator on the White River National Forest, Anne is now the Program Manager for Vail Pass Winter Recreation Area and Hut Master for Summit Huts Association. Shane Tulp: Shane has led a USFS Backcountry Trail Crew for the past 6 summers and has been a Snow Ranger for the Ouray and Grand Valley Ranger Districts for the past 3 winters via Colorado Mountain Club. He is also a Great American Outdoors Act Coordinator for the USFS in Gunnison, CO. RESOURCES: Granite Backcountry Alliance Backyard Concept Great  American Outdoors Act  Colorado  Mountain  Club Vail Pass Winter Recreation Area Vail Pass Task Force White River National Forest Snow Rangers Red Mountain Pass RIMS App Backcountry Film Festival Ski Kind SPONSORS⁠: ⁠⁠Outdoor Alliance⁠⁠ ⁠⁠The Mighty Arrow Family Foundation⁠⁠ ⁠⁠REI⁠⁠ Denali Arts Council TRANSCRIPTS: (⁠⁠click here⁠⁠) CREDITS: Produced/Edited by Tess Goodwin Co-hosted by David Page Co-hosted and Directed by Emily Scott Music by Rattlesnake Preachers feat. Kerry McClay

    1 hr

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Trail Break Radio, the Winter Wildlands Alliance podcast, takes you beyond the well-trodden path, delving into diverse topics shaping our commitment to protect America’s wild snowscapes. From promoting equitable outdoor access to sharing tales of adventure, we offer fresh insights into recreating on and stewarding our cherished wild spaces. Join the dialogue with experts in public lands management, policy, ecology, and activism, echoing the grassroots spirit that defines Winter Wildlands Alliance.

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