Malcolm Peralty is the co-founder of PressTitan, a WordPress services company for small to medium sized businesses, and joins me from his home office in Kingston, Ontario Canada. Twitter: @findpurposeSlack: @Malcolm PeraltyTeams: Plugins, SupportWebsite: https://peralty.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/malcolmperalty/Favourite Wapuu: Server Titan Wapuu, Gravity Forms Astronaut Moon Wapuu Transcription Click here to open up transcript Christina: Hello and thanks for listening to WP contribute. Today I have the pleasure of introducing you to Malcolm Peralty. Malcolm is the co-founder of Press Titan, a WordPress services company for small to medium sized businesses. And he joins me from his home office in Kingston, Ontario, Canada, a fellow Canadian. Welcome. Malcolm: Thank you so much for having me. Christina: Do you want to tell us a little bit more about yourself? Malcolm: Well, my story with WordPress is pretty long. I’ve been using it since version 0.72, which came out about 17 years ago. I graduated from a computer networking community college program right at the height of the tech crash. And so I was like, Okay, well now what do I do? Because I’m definitely not getting a job. And anyone that knows Canada or especially Ontario Nortel was a pretty big company in Ottawa. Right. And they had basically just sacked a whole bunch of people. And I remember going in and putting my resume down and saying, you know, they have all these Nortel engineers who have been doing this for years. So I had to find something else to do. And I decided to start writing online and kind of stumbled into WordPress, as I you know, tried to build my own CMS that was horrible. I don’t recommend doing that. And then yeah, I fell in love with WordPress and I’ve been using it ever since. Christina: Wow, that is a really long time. You are my not my you are the person that I’ve interviewed who has used WordPress the longest. That’s the right way to say that. Awesome. So have you been contributing to WordPress for a long time? Malcolm: So yeah, I would say that early on I wrote for blogging pro which was actually on the WordPress news dashboard for a while. Christina: Okay. Malcolm: Back when it was first sold to Blogging Network the company I was working for I got to write stuff with that I used to co host the original original in quotations, original WordPress podcast with Charles Strickland, way back in the day and then I co hosted a bunch of episodes of WordPress weekly with Jeff Chandler and I have contributed to some plugins I developed some themes back like before WordPress 2.0. I was the support technician for rocket genius for Gravity Forms for a couple of years. I’ve spoken at some WordCamps back like I don’t know a long time ago now. And and also some like new media events about WordPress. So… Christina: Okay. Malcolm: Yeah. Christina: That’s neat. What kind of new media events? Malcolm: So there used to be Blog World and New Media Expo in Las Vegas in kind of the mid 2000s. And I was lucky enough to speak on a few different panels there for that. And then there was Northern Voice was out in BC, and I got to speak at that event as well. So yeah, Christina: That’s pretty interesting. I don’t think I’ve heard of those. Malcolm: I think they’re both dead at this point. Christina: Yes. Malcolm: I’m not too surprised. Christina: Yeah. And then you said you spoke at some word camps, any recent or just all from quite a while ago? Malcolm: Quite a while ago, for most of them. Yeah. Like between 2006 and 2009. Yeah, Toronto, and I did Ottawa, and a few others. And I’ve attended a lot more than I’ve spoken at. And I think attending them is much more fun than speaking at them, in my opinion. Christina: Less prep work involved, right? Malcolm: Well and you get to really interact with people. I find that when you have a presentation on your mind, there’s very little else you can do except, like, get ready for that moment. Christina: And then if you’re like, if you’re first thing, then that’s good, because then you’ve got time to relax. But if you’re kind of in the middle or towards the end, it’s just always on your mind. Right? Malcolm: Yeah. Christina: Absolutely. So you’ve mentioned a lot of different things there. So you said you like you did, you’ve done some themes way back when and some plugins. So in terms of the teams that sort of exist now, which ones would you say you contribute to? Currently? Malcolm: Um, I spend a lot of time on the community forums answering questions. I think that’s probably my favourite thing, jumping on the support forums. Yeah. Christina: Yeah. Awesome. And so I guess, I thinking like with all the things that you mentioned, too, is there is there one particular thing you can kind of pick or think of point to that would be considered your contributor origin story or is that kind of too too far back now. Malcolm: I think in terms of kind of the the WordPress dot.org community, I’d have to say that, you know, working on the podcast with Charles Strickland would probably be pretty high up there. Like I mentioned, one of the things I did was work on a lot of WordPress themes back in the day. Two funny things with that one was, I don’t really consider myself a designer by any stretch of imagination. So my things were all kind of ugly. But I enjoyed the process of trying to figure out the coding aspect. And there was there was actually a number of users using it, and it was kind of a weird, selfish thing back then. There’s so many more rules about WordPress themes now than there were back then. Back then it was very wild, wild west… Christina: Right. Malcolm: And the reason that a lot of different companies and a lot of different people releasing themes were not because they were altruistic and you know, it was like, Oh, I really love making themes and so I’m gonna release these, it was actually like for like search engine stuff, right, you had your link in the footer of all the sites that were using your theme and give you a huge boost, right? And it’s horrible to think about now, but at the time, it was like, the way to get attention was to release these themes. And so I got paid like a fair bit of money to just keep, like, you know, trunking these out there for these different companies and for myself to really kind of, you know, develop all these different themes for these organizations and for myself, and you know, the funny part is people come back to you, and they’re, like, so grateful for what you did. And at the time, you’re like, No, I was just doing it. So I could have a business and yeah, they, they don’t necessarily see it that way. Like a funny thing. It’s actually I just got an email yesterday that someone is using the Phoenix Blue theme from like, over nine years ago, they still have it on their site, but Dreamhost recently contact them and said, You have to update this because like, it’s not secure at all, like into the modern web. Yeah, you can’t keep using this anymore. You have to get rid of it. And the email me like, what theme Do you think I should go with now and I’m like, You know, use any of the 20 whatever’s right that WordPress releases, they’re, they’re pretty safe themes are going to be updated for a while. But yeah, it’s it’s funny how these people continue to reach out and have dialogues about things that you did decades ago. Christina: Crazy. Is there any particular theme that you’re especially proud of that you had done? Malcolm: No, they’re all now compared to today they’re all garbage like it again, it’s such a such a different way of doing things now than it was back then. I mean, we’re in a transition period again, right, as we, as we move to kind of this block mentality are these these these, you know, Gutenberg blocks to kind of design sites or even, you know, the advent of page builders, it’s different again, then than what it was even just a few short years ago. So, you know, I, at the time I was, I was happy to work with some really great designers to build some, you know, really nice and kind of quick and easy themes, but, you know, I just I kind of wish they would all just disappear At this point that’s kind of embarrassing. It’s like looking at like a little kid you know photo of yourself with like your hair sticking up at odd angles, right? Like you don’t want anyone to see that photo and yet, right it’s out there on the internet for everyone to see. Christina: Do they still exist in the repository? Malcolm: No, thank goodness. Christina: Okay. Malcolm: Oh, no. Yeah, they I don’t think they were actually ever in the WordPress theme repository. Most of the themes that I developed, were actually pre theme repository. Christina: Oh, okay. Malcolm: Yeah. Christina: Interesting. I’m post theme repository in general so I wouldn’t know. But once online, always online, right. So wherever they still somehow you can, you can find them. What about plugins? You mentioned plugins that you’ve worked on too. Malcolm: Yeah. So Gravity Forms is the biggest one that I worked on. Again, I was doing mostly support and documentation, but it’s also helping with kind of like bug testing and things like that. They have amazing developers there. And I know their developer team has grown a lot since I left but my goodness, the work that I got to do there was some of my most fulfilling in the WordPress world because I was just working with such a great team. I also am listed, I think on the wordpress.org site as one of the contributors to a Vimeo plugin. No, Vimeo, video related plugin. Christina: Okay. Malcolm: Yeah, I was working for 10 Up and I was the project manager of the of t