And The Writer Is...with Ross Golan

And The Writer Is

Every week, we sit down with an acclaimed and venerable songwriter to intimately discuss what happens behind closed doors in the music industry. There are millions of singers, thousands of artists, and only 40 top songs per genre at a time... this podcast is about the people who make them. Produced by Joe London & Ross Golan in association with Big Deal Music & Mega House Music. And The Writer Is... ™ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. How Dan Nigro Builds Superstars | Ep. 195 | Rewind

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    How Dan Nigro Builds Superstars | Ep. 195 | Rewind

    Today's guest is the Grammy Producer of the Year who built the two biggest pop breakthroughs of the last five years back to back — and whose real story isn't about the hits. It's about the three years he spent making nothing and the rule he wants every producer in the game to understand. From indie rock frontman in As Tall As Lions to pop's most trusted collaborator, Dan built his career against almost every industry instinct. He carries three things at once that most producers never figure out how to hold: the commercial ear of someone who's had back-to-back Grammy runs with Olivia Rodrigo, the patience of a craftsman who sat on "Good Luck, Babe" for 18 months before it ever left his hard drive, and the conviction to say no — to every rushed demo, every session hop, every label note that doesn't serve the artist. This is one of the more honest conversations about what it actually takes to build a superstar. And The Writer Is... Dan Nigro! In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on: • The three years he spent making nothing — and what finally broke it • Why getting Chappell dropped from Atlantic was "the greatest thing that ever happened" • "We're building like an icon here" — the real work behind Chappell Roan's rise • Why Dan refuses to send demos • 20 days with one artist, not 20 sessions with twenty • Meeting Dua Lipa in 2014 — "this girl is a superstar" • Artist development, finding your lane • Writing good songs sucks — and why that's fine And much more... Hit subscribe and turn on notifications. Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music. Follow us on socials: @andthewriteris A special thank you to our sponsors for making these conversations possible. Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishing Association. Your support means the world to us. And @splice — the best sample library on the market. Period. Chapter timestamps: 0:00 Intro 3:01 Why Atlantic dropping Chappell was "the greatest thing that ever happened" 4:16 Atlantic's note: cut one of the Pink Pony Club guitar solos 8:20 Self-releasing Karma, Naked in Manhattan, and building a label with Island 11:33 "We're building like an icon here" — Bowie, Madonna, the Chappell blueprint 13:13 What makes somebody "have it" — the gut call you can't fake 17:21 "There are no more superstars" — the article that pissed Dan off 19:34 20 days with one artist, not 20 sessions with twenty 21:27 Good Luck Babe's million rewrites — the "Good Luck Jane" era 22:59 Why Dan refuses to send demos — ever 24:54 18 months on the hard drive 26:01 Justin Tranter asks: how do you have the confidence to dive that deep? 28:04 Three years. Ended up with nothing. 33:12 The Madonna model — outside songs, finding your lane 43:21 Taking five months off after Olivia and Chappell 46:41 Steph Jones asks: rituals, guilty pleasures, happy accidents 51:43 Amy Allen asks: has your feeling ever been wrong? 52:58 "The most egotistical thing I've ever said" — never wrong about an artist 53:20 Meeting Dua Lipa in 2014 — "this girl is a superstar" 55:55 Vampire — and the label that thought it was "three songs in one" 62:39 People need to take more risks 63:37 Writing good songs sucks — and why that's fine 68:21 Five for five — As Tall As Lions, Sour, Guts, Amusement Records 70:31 The second-album mountain 72:58 Playing Olivia and Chappell for his daughter Credits: Hosted by Ross Golan Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad Edited by Jad Saad Post-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    1h 16m
  2. And The Update Is… Live Nation Ruled an Illegal Monopoly, D4VD Arrested for Murder, Udio Pays Up on AI

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    And The Update Is… Live Nation Ruled an Illegal Monopoly, D4VD Arrested for Murder, Udio Pays Up on AI

    Every week, And the Writer Is brings you the most important news moving through the music industry — straight, sharp, and no fluff. This week: a jury ruled Live Nation and Ticketmaster violated antitrust laws and operate as illegal monopolies, with a judge now weighing whether to force a breakup or sale. Max Lousada and Julie Greenwald — the A&R legends behind Warner's modern run — launched a new long-term international label with Sony Music investment and distribution. And Udio signed a licensing deal with Kobalt, becoming one of the first AI companies actually paying creatives for training on their work. Plus: D4vd arrested on murder charges and dropped by Interscope, Foster the People ink a new deal, and Ella Langley's "Choosin' Texas" holds the #1 song. Follow us on socials and don't miss our new episodes every Tuesday — the hottest conversations in music, with the people making it. This week: Jury finds Live Nation and Ticketmaster violated antitrust laws — a judge will now decide whether to break them upMax Lousada and Julie Greenwald launch a new international label with Sony MusicUdio signs a licensing deal with Kobalt — the first real AI-pays-creatives move of the cycleD4vd arrested on murder charges; Interscope removes him from their rosterFoster the People sign a new dealElla Langley's "Choosin' Texas" remains #1 song of the weekRoss previews live episodes coming from Stagecoach and the week's Billy Corgan drop Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    3 min
  3. Ep. 247: Billy Corgan | How He Built Smashing Pumpkins Into a 30-Million Album Empire

    14 APR

    Ep. 247: Billy Corgan | How He Built Smashing Pumpkins Into a 30-Million Album Empire

    Today's guest is the architect of alternative rock who sold 30 million albums and defined the sound of an entire generation — but whose real story begins after the hits stopped mattering to him. From the suburbs of Chicago to the apex of 90s mainstream success, Billy Corgan built an empire. Then he spent the last 20 years quietly dismantling the idea that commercial success is the same thing as real value. He carries three things simultaneously that most artists never figure out how to hold at once: the ambition of someone who was never going to settle for the midwest, the technical genius of a classically-trained musician who produces every layer of his own work, and the philosophical rigor of someone willing to completely reimagine what success actually means. This is one of the more unflinching conversations about what staying relevant actually costs — not the version that gets posted on socials, the version that gets lived in the real decisions you make about art, money, independence, and how you want to spend your time. When the gatekeepers are gone and nobody's controlling the narrative anymore, who do you become? And The Writer Is... Billy Corgan! In this episode of And The Writer Is, we go deep on: • The trap of being defined by your greatest hits — and why he refuses it • His father's failed music career, and the moment his dad finally understood • Chicago's inward-facing indie scene and the cost of communities that don't believe in themselves • How the value of artists gets assessed in rooms — and why that's broken • What "influence" actually means vs. commercial success • The gatekeepers are gone — what that really means for independent artists • Owning 100% of your publishing and why that changes everything • Building a new world where direct artist support is how things actually work • Why legacy thinking is changing, and what comes next And much more... Hit subscribe and turn on notifications. Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music. Follow us on socials: @andthewriteris A special thank you to our sponsors for making these conversations possible. Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishing Association. Your support means the world to us. And @splice — the best sample library on the market. Period. Chapter timestamps: 0:00 Intro 2:30 Why Billy doesn't prefer to talk about his hits, and how his legacy has adjusted 5:00 Dad's bitterness: you got lucky 6:30 Dad's realization "You're one of the best songwriters in the world" 8:00 Independent music, 'selling out', and Chicago's music scene 10:30 The touring economics of the 90's 13:15 Rigged charts and the beginning of Pop music 16:00 Representation of Rock music in the charts / award shows 19:30 Ross on the future of music in a digital world 20:30 Numbers mean nothing if no one gives a sh*t. 21:00 Pop vs Rock: The future of music 28:30 Women archetypes in music 38:21 Billy's advice: What you need to survive in the music industry 40:00 World building and songwriting advice 43:31 How to define your value as an artist in a commercial world 44:40 Billy's Batman story 49:00 Breaking 'Landmine' because of Courtney Love 51:50 How he meets Courtney Love 54:08 How he learned to play guitar 57:00 His guitar hero inspiration… 1:01:10 Meeting the band 1:03:20 Finding a world class drummer hiding in plain sight 1:07:05 Fighting for his band when no one believed in them 1:15:29 Keeping your mouth shut when it's not your session 1:16:02 Fight for your copyright. The band struggling with his sole writing credit 1:18:00 AI in music… and Billy's take on it Credits: Hosted by Ross Golan Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad Edited by Jad Saad Post-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    2 h 10 min
  4. Ep. 246: Dermot Kennedy | How an Irish Busker Became a Worldwide Phenomenon

    7 APR

    Ep. 246: Dermot Kennedy | How an Irish Busker Became a Worldwide Phenomenon

    Today's guest is the Irish troubadour who sold out arenas across the world and built one of the most durable careers in modern music, entirely on his own terms. From Dublin street corners and busking for strangers to headlining Madison Square Garden, this conversation is about what that actually costs to build the slow, deliberate construction of a career that answers to no one, yet resonates with millions around the world. He carries three things simultaneously that most artists never figure out how to hold at once: the ambition of someone who was never going to settle for Ireland only, the sensitivity of a songwriter who writes for his whole community, and the creative instincts of a kid who grew up on hip hop and folk and refused to let either one fully win. This is one of the more honest conversations about what a creative life actually looks like from the inside — not the version that gets posted, the version that gets lived. And The Writer Is... Dermot Kennedy! In this episode of And The Writer Is... We go deep on: • His whole journey • The moment he realized the audience could feel how hard he was trying — and why that was the problem • How to carry ambition, sensitivity, and creative instinct in the same body without one of them destroying the other • Building an international career without a viral hit — and what that reveals about how the industry actually works • The busking years, and the secrets for how he survived • Why he deliberately toured smaller venues on his last run — and what that decision says about success • Imposter syndrome, insecurity, and the reality of growing a career from 0-100. And much more... Hit subscribe and turn on notifications. Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music. Follow us on socials: @andthewriteris A special thank you to our sponsors... Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishing Association. Your support means the world to us. And @splice — the best sample library on the market. Period. Chapter timestamps: 0:00 Intro 3:30 The 3 Sides Every Creative Has to Balance 4:30 You Shouldn't Rinse Your Shows. It's a Sacred Thing. 5:00 What Dermot Beats Himself Up About On Stage 5:30 Anxiety After the Show Starts, Not Before 6:00 The Struggle of Being Lucky Enough to Have a Career 8:00 Childhood 9:00 "I Know I'm Good. But I Feel Very Insecure in Other Ways." 14:00 How Dermot Built a Career With No Algorithm and No Social Pressure 18:00 Why He Doesn't Play Music for People 19:19 How He Started Busking 20:15 Why Most People Couldn't Busk — and the Genius Who Changed Everything 21:00 The Importance of Branding When Selling Anything 22:00 How to Make Real Money Busking 26:00 How Dermot Built His Name and Started Playing Shows 29:00 Into the Music Business — and the Most Successful He's Ever Felt 31:00 Being Sought After and Avoiding Bad Record Deals 32:40 How to Build Out Your Team 36:00 A Note About Touring: Enjoy Where You're At 38:23 His Advice to His 15-Year-Old Self: Find Your Contentment 39:23 How Dermot Kennedy Built a Worldwide Fanbase Credits: Hosted by Ross Golan Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad Edited by Jad Saad Post-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Watercolor Art by Michael White Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    1h 21m
  5. Ep. 245: Madison Beer | Becoming Yourself with the World Watching

    31 MAR

    Ep. 245: Madison Beer | Becoming Yourself with the World Watching

    Today’s guest is one of the most quietly enduring artists in modern pop — a songwriter and performer who’s spent over a decade growing up in public, learning how to separate perception from identity. She was discovered online as a teenager and quickly thrust into an industry that had already decided who she was. But behind the headlines, she was doing the real work — writing, refining her sound, and slowly building a career on her own terms. This is a conversation about perception vs reality, creative control, and what it actually takes to become yourself in an industry that benefits from misunderstanding you. And The Writer Is… Madison Beer! What you'll learn: • What it actually feels like to grow up in the public eye • The gap between how artists are perceived vs who they really are • Why longevity in music requires emotional resilience • How Madison developed her sound and creative identity over time • The pressure of early success — and rebuilding from it • Why being misunderstood can either break you or sharpen you This episode is brought to you by the NMPA — supporting songwriters and protecting the value of music. And by Splice — the world’s largest library of sounds and samples, built for creators. Chapters: 0:00 Intro 1:42 Madison’s favorite songs of hers 3:00 Lyrics or melody first? 4:30 Ross meeting Madison at 13 6:00 Madison’s childhood, early memories 7:00 Going through parent’s divorce in early childhood 9:45 Why singing the national anthem is hard 10:00 Her family’s early encouragement 11:00 Madison’s first song 13:00 Starting her career at 10 18:40 Getting discovered overnight from a Justin Bieber tweet. 19:11 Contracts in music industry 19:58 Meeting Justin Bieber 21:46 Why getting dropped is a blessing 24:00 Struggling with early music identity 26:00 Why she felt she couldn’t fight back on creative control early on 28:00 finding her power through social media 31:55 Reclaiming creative control 33:50 writing reckless 35:28 Home with you 36:25 the importance of your collaborators  39:12 the original demo to Reckless 41:13 being easier to write dark songs than happy songs 41:40 the challenge of writing her new album 41:54 NMPA 42:36 Splice 43:26 Going back into the label system 45:00 her first tour in lockdown 46:50 Madison’s touring non negotiables 52:00 the story of Home to another one 53:41 Writing darker songs while in a happy relationship 55:55 Setting boundaries for mental health 56:55 “Showed Me” as an interpolation 58:37 Her mental health struggles and path to healing 1:01:54 How her album locket Freed her 1:03:25 the unlikely story of bittersweet 1:05:30 what writing a song with strangers is like 1:09:00 loneliness and missing out on a normal childhood 1:12:00 Dealing with constant criticism and how she manages it 1:12:47 Surviving the lowest point of her life 1:16:30 how she currently manages her mental health Hosted by Ross Golan Produced by Joe London and Jad Saad Edited by Jad Saad Post Production VFX by Pratik Karki Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    1h 22m
  6. Ep. 244: Melanie Martinez | How to Protect Your Creative Spirit in a Commercial World

    24 MAR

    Ep. 244: Melanie Martinez | How to Protect Your Creative Spirit in a Commercial World

    Today’s world builder builds worlds worldwide to make her own universe! Dark and whimsical meets bubblegum grunge when this artist broke out on the scene to create her own cult following.  When doors didn’t open, she built her own.  And The Writer Is……Melanie Martinez! In this episode, Melanie opens up about: • Materializing ideas and her entire creative process • Why she never approached music as a game • The reality behind shows like The Voice • How she built her identity before the industry caught up • Her philosophy on songwriting and the importance of your truth • Protecting your creative voice in a commercial system • Why being yourself is still the most important advantage • And much more… Hit the subscribe button and turn on notifications. Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music. Follow us on socials: @andthewriteris A special thank you to our sponsors… Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishing Association. Your support means the world to us. And @splice — the best sample library on the market. Period. Chapters: 0:00 Intro 2:00 The Real Meaning Behind “Disney Princess” 4:30 Introversion vs Performance 6:00 The Magic of Creating and Materializing Ideas 7:45 Her Creative Process — Titles, Concepts, and Staying Inspired 12:00 The Songs That Defined Her Early Career 12:48 Growing Up Writing — Her First Songs and Backstory 16:45 World-Building and Creating a True Artistic Identity 18:30 Rejection, Independence, and Dollhouse 20:00 “Blind Dating” in the Music Industry 24:00 Stage Fright and Early Creative Influences 26:00 What She’d Tell Her Younger Self 26:45 Advice for Artists Trying to Break Through 27:30 Hitchhiking to The Voice — And What It Really Was 30:00 The Reality of Music Competition Shows 31:42 NMPA — Our Lead Sponsor This Season 32:23 Splice 33:00 Ross on Music Competition TV 34:00 Performing Live and Managing Nerves 36:00 Finding Herself Through Dollhouse 37:20 The Story Behind Dollhouse 38:00 Fighting for Her Creative Vision 40:00 Where Her Ideas Come From 42:00 How She Builds Albums and Story Arcs 44:20 Writing Honestly Without Overthinking It 45:00 What Songwriters Get Wrong About Meaning 49:30 Are You Happy? 51:30 The Priorities That Changed Everything 54:00 Final Advice 55:00 Portals 57:47 Hades — A Dystopian World 1:00:20 The Utopian Album to Come 1:00:51 Her Favorite Songs on the Album 1:01:50 The Story of “Weight Watchers” 1:06:00 An Emotional Reflection — Her Message to Others 1:07:30 Her Inspirations 1:09:00 Social Media, AI, and Staying Human Hosted by Ross Golan Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad Edited by Jad Saad Post-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Watercolor Art by Michael White Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    1h 13m
  7. Ep. 243: Charlie Puth Pt. 2| The Long Road to Becoming Yourself

    17 MAR

    Ep. 243: Charlie Puth Pt. 2| The Long Road to Becoming Yourself

    Today’s guest is one of the defining voices in modern pop — a songwriter, producer, and artist behind some of the biggest records of the last decade. His songs have been streamed billions of times worldwide. He came to Los Angeles to write for others. Instead, he became a globally identifiable artist — before fully becoming himself. Now, he’s building something that’s truly his. And The Writer Is… Charlie Puth! In this episode, Charlie opens up about: • His early journey • The moment “See You Again” came together, and why it still feels unexplainable • How early success shaped his career before his identity caught up • Why the best songs often come from discomfort, not control • The role of collaboration in pushing him beyond his instincts • Sessions with legendary artists — and what those moments actually feel like • The importance of staying human in an increasingly synthetic world • And much more… Hit the subscribe button and follow us on socials @andthewriteris Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music. A special thank you to our sponsors… Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishing Association. Your support means the world to us. And @splice — the best sample library on the market. Period. Chapters: 0:00 Intro 2:46 Charlie Demos the Theme Song 5:00 The “Mouth Phone” Trick 7:00 His Secret Involvement in Dangerous Woman 9:00 “Stay” — The Power of Collaboration (Justin Bieber, Kid Laroi) 13:00 “Are You Where You Want to Be?” 16:00 Where His Best Work Comes From 16:53 The Story of See You Again 20:43 Wiz Khalifa’s Defining 'See You Again' Moment 23:02 When the Industry Didn’t Know What to Do With Him 27:22 The Song No One Believed In (We Don’t Talk Anymore) 29:52 Ross’s Philosophy on Sending Music 31:04 The Song That Changed Everything 34:09 Authenticity, Vulnerability, and Letting People In 39:00 Why It’s More Important to Be Human Than Ever 45:05 NMPA — Our Lead Sponsor This Season 45:56 Splice 46:38 Conflict, Collaboration, and Making the New Album 51:11 Coffee With Kenny G and Michael McDonald 55:39 Chris Stapleton's Songwriting Advice 1:02:05 The Artists and Producers He Studies 1:08:00 His Lowest Point 1:31:51 Charlie Shares Drum Samples Hosted by Ross Golan Produced by Joe London & Jad Saad Edited by Jad Saad Post-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Watercolor Art by Michael White Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    1h 32m

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Every week, we sit down with an acclaimed and venerable songwriter to intimately discuss what happens behind closed doors in the music industry. There are millions of singers, thousands of artists, and only 40 top songs per genre at a time... this podcast is about the people who make them. Produced by Joe London & Ross Golan in association with Big Deal Music & Mega House Music. And The Writer Is... ™ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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