unComplex

Adriaan van den Berg and Lionel Pastor

unComplex is your go-to podcast for cutting through hype and untangling the buzzwords surrounding modern business and technology. Hosted by Adriaan van den Berg and Lionel Pastor, each episode goes beyond surface-level chatter to uncover real-world strategies and actionable insights. From nearshoring trends and emerging tech hubs in Central & Eastern Europe to broader shifts in innovation and entrepreneurship, unComplex brings you expert perspectives—including academics, industry veterans, and frontier thinkers—who share their on-the-ground experiences and future outlooks. If you want to turn complexity into clarity and stay ahead in the ever-evolving tech and business landscape, unComplex is the conversation you’ve been waiting for.

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  1. Propaganda Artist for the Machine - Agnieszka Pilat on Robots, Renaissance 2.0 & Authorship

    03.11.2025

    Propaganda Artist for the Machine - Agnieszka Pilat on Robots, Renaissance 2.0 & Authorship

    Painter of machines. Teacher of robots. “Propaganda artist for the machine.” In this episode of the unComplex Podcast, Agnieszka Pilat joins host Adriaan (Ian) van den Berg with Laurent Uhres (composer, essayist, and VP for Innovation & Digital Transformation at Webellian) for a frank, fast-moving conversation at the edge of art and technology. From embodied AI to authorship, from Renaissance 2.0 to today’s “cathedrals” of tech, we explore why Pilat paints machines as the new aristocracy, how her robots learn a tiny alphabet to write their first “cave paintings,” and what it means when tools become partners. What we cover - Tools → partners: when a robot stops being “a brush” and starts collaborating - “Propaganda artist for the machine,” power structures & portraiture - Large-scale robotic installations (NGV, Australia) & real-world audience reactions - Authorship, apprenticeships, and Sol LeWitt’s “instructions as art” - Creativity vs. meaning: Gödel, the missing “why,” and the cost of vision - Cathedrals of tech, thumbnails → monuments, and embodied AI in public space - Working with Boston Dynamics, SpaceX, Waymo, Agility (Digit) & engineers (not ads) - Street vs. social: what robots learn from our online behavior - Looms to LLMs: weaving, Jacquard, and Pilat’s new textile-robot experiments - A peek at an upcoming robotic installation in Washington, D.C. Why Agnieszka is so interesting: Pilat is a classically trained painter (Academy of Art, San Francisco) who treats advanced machines as dignified sitters - and increasingly as collaborators - guiding robots that paint in the physical world. Her work has appeared at the National Gallery of Victoria (Australia), Museum of Fine Arts Boston, Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, de Young Museum, and even in the Matrix film universe. Partnerships include SpaceX (artist-in-residence), Boston Dynamics, Waymo, and Agility Robotics. Media features span WIRED, The Guardian, Boston Globe, CNN, Forbes, and Artnet

    45 Min.
  2. The AI shift: Reinventing the Modern Agency

    21.07.2025

    The AI shift: Reinventing the Modern Agency

    In this episode of unComplex, co-host Adriaan van den Berg welcomes Martijn Wiktor-Wagemans, COO of The Agency, for a candid discussion on the evolving intersection of artificial intelligence, e-commerce, and business strategy. The conversation delves into the practical realities and emerging challenges faced by leaders typically in the e-commerce space navigating rapid technological change. Key themes include: How AI is reshaping decision-making and operational models in e-commerce, and why adaptability (not just technology adoption) is becoming the defining trait of resilient organizations. AI aided capabilities:: Martijn and Adriaan examine where human insight remains irreplaceable, especially in areas requiring nuanced judgment, creativity, and ethical consideration. The future of work in digital agencies, including the skills and mindsets that will matter most as AI tools become ubiquitous. Critical reflections on hype vs. substance: The episode unpacks common misconceptions about AI’s capabilities, offering a grounded perspective on what businesses can realistically expect from current and near-future technologies. Broader implications for entrepreneurship, innovation, and market competition and why smaller, agile teams may have unique advantages in a landscape dominated by rapid change. This episode is designed for listeners seeking thoughtful, experience-driven insights into the real-world impact of AI and digital transformation, moving beyond buzzwords to focus on what actually drives progress in today’s complex business environment

    30 Min.
  3. Ep. 5: Erik Drukker on Polish Real Estate : Inflation, REITS, Warsaw and Remote Work

    01.07.2025

    Ep. 5: Erik Drukker on Polish Real Estate : Inflation, REITS, Warsaw and Remote Work

    From post-communist plains to containing continental Europe's tallest tower, what's the story behind Warsaw's dramatic transformation? In this episode of unComplex, Lionel Pastor and Adriaan van den Berg sit down with Erik Drukker, CEO of BNP Paribas Real Estate Poland, a true visionary who has witnessed and shaped the city's real estate landscape for nearly 30 years . Erik takes us through: The birth of a modern market: An inside look at Warsaw's real estate evolution, from a time when major companies had offices in the Palace of Culture to the development and even demolition of entire districts. Forces shaping the city: A deep dive into how foreign investment, the war in Ukraine, and remote work have impacted commercial and residential property prices, with some apartments nearly doubling in value. Architectural secrets & stories: Fascinating anecdotes behind Warsaw's landmarks, including the controversial Złote Tarasy mall, the unique design of the Intercontinental Hotel, and the hidden showroom for the Varso Tower. A controversial take: Erik's candid opinion on why allowing one of Warsaw's most famous shopping centers to be built was a "major mistake" that killed the city's high street. The future of real estate: An expert's forecast on the sectors poised for recovery, the slow adoption of AI in a traditional industry, and why Poland still lags in implementing Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs). If you're fascinated by urban development, architecture, investment strategy, and the economic forces shaping one of Europe's most dynamic cities, this episode is a must-listen!

    39 Min.
  4. Tariffs, Trade Wars & the Future of Globalization: Marek Dietl Unpacks it All

    16.04.2025

    Tariffs, Trade Wars & the Future of Globalization: Marek Dietl Unpacks it All

    In this insightful episode of unComplex, host Adriaan van den Berg sits down with Marek Dietl, former President of the Warsaw Stock Exchange and economic advisor to the President of Poland as well as Assistant Professor at the SGH Warsaw School of Economics, to dissect the complex world of global trade wars and tariffs. Dietl offers a masterclass in understanding how current trade tensions between the US and China are reshaping the global economic landscape. Drawing on his extensive background in economics and capital markets, Dietl provides a fascinating historical perspective on how economic superpowers rise and fall, from the Dutch Empire to Britain, the United States, and now potentially China. He breaks down the microeconomic impacts of tariffs, explaining why they affect different industries in vastly different ways and why a one-size-fits-all analysis fails to capture economic reality. Listeners will gain valuable insights into: - How tariffs redistribute economic surpluses between producers, consumers, and governments - Why President Trump's tariff strategies represent a fundamental shift in global trade dynamics - The potential short-term recession risks and long-term structural changes in the global economy - How smaller economies like Poland and South Africa can navigate this new protectionist era - The interconnected geopolitical tensions involving Russia, Ukraine, Iran, and Taiwan Dietl also shares the dramatic story behind the recent unprecedented suspension of trading at the Warsaw Stock Exchange and offers practical advice for business leaders operating in uncertain times. Whether you're an investor, policy maker, or business professional, this episode provides essential context for understanding how trade wars will reshape our economic future.

    51 Min.

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unComplex is your go-to podcast for cutting through hype and untangling the buzzwords surrounding modern business and technology. Hosted by Adriaan van den Berg and Lionel Pastor, each episode goes beyond surface-level chatter to uncover real-world strategies and actionable insights. From nearshoring trends and emerging tech hubs in Central & Eastern Europe to broader shifts in innovation and entrepreneurship, unComplex brings you expert perspectives—including academics, industry veterans, and frontier thinkers—who share their on-the-ground experiences and future outlooks. If you want to turn complexity into clarity and stay ahead in the ever-evolving tech and business landscape, unComplex is the conversation you’ve been waiting for.