The Learning Hack podcast

John Helmer

What are the significant innovations shaping the future of learning? How is digital technology and scientific discovery changing the way we learn, train, teach and educate? Join John Helmer in conversation with the people who are visioning and actively creating that future. Published fortnightly (don't forget to subscribe!).

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    Crossing the Divide with Lars Hyland

    What does it take to change how an industry works — and what happens when it doesn't change fast enough? Lars Hyland has been asking that question for thirty years, from the early days of interactive multimedia through nearly a decade leading EMEA for Totara Learning, and now at Enlytning, an AI-powered platform helping small businesses close the gap between policy and practice. In this conversation, John and Lars go back to the beginning — to the Epic days, when the e-learning model that now dominates the industry was taking shape around them — and trace a career-long argument about the one thing L&D keeps getting wrong.   They cover the founding of Retenda in 2010 — a learning reinforcement platform built on spaced repetition, a decade before the category existed — and why good timing isn't enough if the market isn't ready. They get into the Totara years, open source as a power relationship, and the honest tension in spending nearly a decade championing infrastructure you know is being misused. And they dig into AI: not the conference version, but the harder question of whether the industry is using it to fix a broken model or just to run the broken model faster. Lars's phrase for the latter — faster garbage in, garbage out — is both a provocation and a diagnosis.   Lars has a view on what he thinks good actually looks like. The question is whether the industry is willing to build it.   TIMESTAMPS 02:12 - Intro 05:05 - The formative years of elearning 17:59 - Why did he found Retenda? 21:35 - The Totara years 25:53 - What happens to open source tech when it goes commercial? 30:21 - Enlytning 40:26 - Compliance & HR 52:17 - Does the SaaS model still have a future? 57:51 - A way to cut down duplication in course catalogues? 01:08:51 - End   CONNECT WITH LEARNING HACK LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer X: @johnhelmer Threads: @jphelmer Bluesky: @johnhelmer.bsky.social Website: learninghackpodcast.com

    1 h 10 min
  2. Roll Away the Stone with Bob Mosher

    23 MAR

    Roll Away the Stone with Bob Mosher

    What if the ideas that L&D has been nodding at for thirty years are finally about to become unavoidable? Bob Mosher has spent his career arguing that training and performance are not the same thing — and that building courses, however well-designed, only meets two of the five moments when people actually need to learn. The other three happen in the workflow, at the point of need. Most of the profession has agreed with him in theory. Rather fewer have changed what they do.   In this conversation, John and Bob catch up on how generative AI is changing that picture. Bob describes what AI is actually doing inside live workflow learning projects right now — including a headline figure on development time that stopped John in his tracks — and explains why the digital coach, not the course, is becoming the central deliverable. They also dig into the risks: what happens when AI accelerates the wrong thing, why L&D needs a seat at the IT table before it's too late, and what it means to be a performance architect rather than a training order-taker in an AI-assisted world.   The boulder, Bob says, has been going uphill for a long time. He thinks it's about to roll back. This episode is about what happens when it does.   TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Start 01:55 - Intro 04:27 - The five moments of need 08:14 - How has AI changed the conversation about workflow learning? 10:44 - How does AI save time? 24:07 - Risks to workflow learning from AI 31:42 - Has AI caused a rethink in practice? 40:19 - Workflow learning impact 53:38 - End   CONNECT WITH LEARNING HACK LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer X: https://x.com/johnhelmer Threads: @jphelmer Bluesky: @johnhelmer.bsky.social Website: https://learninghackpodcast.com

    55 min
  3. Polynesian Navigators with Laura Overton and Michelle Ockers

    9 MAR

    Polynesian Navigators with Laura Overton and Michelle Ockers

    Does L&D know where it's going? What separates the L&D functions that genuinely move organisations forward from those that stay busy but never quite shift the dial? That question has driven Laura Overton's research for over two decades — and it sits at the heart of The L&D Leader, the new book she co-authored with Michelle Ockers. Their answer, drawn from more than ten thousand L&D professionals and two hundred learning leaders, points not to new tools or models, but to something older and harder to teach: the ability to read the organisation, sense its currents, and navigate your own way to somewhere that matters.   In this episode John talks with Laura and Michelle about the ideas behind the book, which opens with the extraordinary story of the ancient Polynesian navigators — people who crossed 2,500 miles of open ocean without a compass or a clock. They discuss the lasting legacy of the pandemic for L&D, why two decades of research on workplace learning strategy show surprisingly little change in how most functions operate, and the risk that chasing the latest tool or model is actually damaging L&D's ability to drive real value.   And then there's the question that sits underneath all the talk of L&D maturity and business alignment: when we talk about driving value through learning, who exactly is that value for?   TIMESTAMPS 00:02:44 - Intro 00:05:55 - What was the genesis of the book? 00:10:04 - The collaboration — how Laura and Michelle came to write together 00:13:29 - Legacy of the pandemic for L&D 00:16:10 - Was the pandemic a 'golden period' for L&D? 00:19:42 - What are they telling people in The L&D Leader? 00:30:00 - The Polynesian navigators — and what they mean for L&D leadership 00:39:09 - Is technology causing 'skill fade' in L&D? 00:41:42 - How has the L&D community changed over two decades? 00:50:55 - Who gets the value from workplace learning — the learner or the stakeholder? 01:02:58 - End   CONNECT WITH LEARNING HACK LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer X: @johnhelmer Threads: @jphelmer Bluesky: @johnhelmer.bsky.social Website: learninghackpodcast.com

    1 h 4 min

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What are the significant innovations shaping the future of learning? How is digital technology and scientific discovery changing the way we learn, train, teach and educate? Join John Helmer in conversation with the people who are visioning and actively creating that future. Published fortnightly (don't forget to subscribe!).

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