Code. Deploy. Go Live.

Andrew Connell & Julie Turner

Welcome to the Code. Deploy. Go Live. podcast! By Microsoft MVPs Andrew Connell and Julie Turner, our mission is to deliver prescriptive guidance on Microsoft 365 and Azure for Full-Stack Developers. Get the latest news, discussions, and interviews on topics ranging from Microsoft 365, Microsoft Azure, and related topics. For developers, by developers!

  1. 029 | Inside PnPjs: Open Source at Enterprise Scale with the Library Maintainers

    1 DAY AGO

    029 | Inside PnPjs: Open Source at Enterprise Scale with the Library Maintainers

    In this episode, Andrew and Julie sit down with Beau Cameron and Patrick Rodgers, two of the core maintainers of PnPjs, for the podcast's first guest interview. PnPjs is a client-side TypeScript library that wraps both the SharePoint REST and Microsoft Graph APIs into a fluent, developer-friendly interface. With 38,000 tenants relying on the library and handling roughly 38 billion requests per month, PnPjs has become one of the most mission-critical open source projects in the Microsoft 365 ecosystem. The conversation digs into the real challenges of maintaining a library at that scale, including architectural decisions like the elegant Timeline design, controversial API choices around URI escaping and the Pages API, and what it means to be responsible stewards of an open source project by refusing to wrap unsupported or reverse-engineered endpoints. You'll also get a peek at what's coming in v5, which Beau and Patrick describe as a maintenance-focused release aimed at improving code coverage, test execution, and expanding Microsoft Graph API coverage. The hardest part of maintaining PnPjs isn't the code itself, it's maintaining trust. Beau, Patrick, and Julie explore the tough decisions they've had to make as maintainers, from dropping support for legacy v2.1 endpoints to pushing back against shipping features that don't quite work right. Whether it's understanding the design tradeoffs baked into the Timeline architecture, wrestling with the extensibility of behaviors and virtual events, or grappling with the consequences of being used at such massive scale, this episode offers genuine insight into what it takes to steward a library that countless developers depend on every single day. 🔗 LINKS================================================= 🔗 NASA Artemis II Mission🔗 Two Outlook Instances Running on Artemis🔗 PnPjs GitHub Repository🔗 PnPjs Documentation 🎁 Picks================================================= Patrick's Pick(s):🔗 De Buyer Mineral B Carbon Steel Fry Pan Beau's Pick(s):🔗 Colorado Fruit Farmers Revive Heirloom Apple Orchards Andrew's Pick(s):🔗 Claude Code Unpacked Julie's Pick(s):🔗 SP Rest Explorer by Sergei Sergeev 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter 🎙️ GUESTSPatrick Rodgers: LinkedIn, BlueskyBeau Cameron: LinkedIn, Bluesky, Site SPONSORSSympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTubeVoitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley

    1hr 6min
  2. 028 | Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit v6.6.0 Release Review

    25 MAR

    028 | Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit v6.6.0 Release Review

    In this episode, Andrew and Julie dive deep into the Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit (ATK) version 6.6.0 release, exploring the latest features and changes for building declarative agents. Andrew walks through the new embedded knowledge functionality that allows developers to include knowledge directly within agents without requiring separate SharePoint uploads, and he shares insights on improvements to actions and plugins. The conversation also covers significant template changes in the toolkit, including what was removed and what's new, along with some frustrations about missed opportunities in how Microsoft is presenting this powerful toolkit to developers. Andrew reflects on why the embedded knowledge feature is such a game-changer for agent development, discusses the practical implications of template changes on developer learning and onboarding, and explores the broader ecosystem of plugins and skills that are enabling more sophisticated agent deployments. 🔗 LINKS================================================= AC's Webinars: 🔗 Microsoft 365 Copilot - Evaluate Your Agent Options 🔗 Microsoft 365 Copilot - Developer's Guide to Declarative Agents 🔗 Microsoft 365 AI-Assisted Development SharePoint Framework Issues: 🔗 debugManifest stopped working today 🔗 SPFx Application Customizers getting "wrong" top placeholder in production 🔗 SPFx Field & ListForm Customizers not loading from local dev AC's Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit (ATK) v6.6 review 🔗 Microsoft 365 Agents Toolkit v6.6.0 Release Review 🎁 Picks================================================= Andrew's Pick(s)🔗 Skills.sh Julie's Pick(s):🔗 The Infinite Game, by Simon Sinek 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORSSympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTubeVoitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley

    1hr 1min
  3. 027 | SharePoint 25-Year Anniversary - Developer's Perspective

    11 MAR

    027 | SharePoint 25-Year Anniversary - Developer's Perspective

    In this episode, Andrew Connell and Julie Turner celebrate SharePoint's 25th anniversary by examining the platform's evolution through a developer's lens. They chronicle the major development models that shaped SharePoint over the past quarter-century, from the early days of no formal development model and ASP.NET server-side rendering in SharePoint Portal Server 2003, through the introduction of the plugin model in 2007, the partially trusted solutions approach in 2010, the app model in 2013, and the modern SharePoint Framework (SPFx) that launched in 2017. Along the way, they discuss how each evolution addressed real customer pain points and Microsoft's ongoing challenge to enable developer customization while maintaining platform stability and security in a multi-tenant cloud environment. Beyond the technical roadmap, Andrew and Julie reflect on what has made SharePoint meaningful to them personally: the vibrant global community of developers and professionals who have become lifelong friends. They share how the SharePoint ecosystem has provided not only career opportunities but also personal growth through international connections and diverse perspectives. They conclude by discussing SharePoint's current state in the broader Microsoft 365 landscape, where it has evolved from trying to do everything to serving a focused role alongside complementary products like Microsoft Graph, allowing developers to view themselves as part of a larger Microsoft 365 development ecosystem. 🔗 LINKS ================================================= 🔗 SharePoint at 25: Global enterprise knowledge in the AI era🔗 Introducing new agentic building in SharePoint and more updates🔗 SharePoint Hackathon🔗 SharePoint at 25: The knowledge platform for Copilot and agents 🎁 Picks================================================= Julie's Pick(s):🔗 Apple Is Developing an AI-Powered Wearable Device🔗 What privacy? As expected, Meta Ray-Bans are a privacy disaster Andrew's Pick(s)🔗 Improving Skill Creator: Test, Measure, and Refine Agent Skills 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORSSympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTubeVoitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (00:00) - Introduction (12:10) - SHAREPOINT'S 25-YEAR JOURNEY FROM A DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE (15:55) - Getting Started with SharePoint (20:52) - Evolution of SharePoint Development Models (26:01) - From SharePoint 2003 to 2007 (36:00) - The On-Premises Era (2007-2013) (42:00) - SharePoint Online and the Add-in Model (54:24) - SharePoint Framework Revolution (58:02) - The SharePoint Developer Community (01:05:40) - SharePoint Development Today (01:09:51) - AC'S & JULIE'S PICKS

    1hr 18min
  4. 026 | Exploring the 2025 State of JavaScript Survey

    25 FEB

    026 | Exploring the 2025 State of JavaScript Survey

    In this episode of the Microsoft 365 Dev Podcast, Julie and Andrew dive into the results of the 2025 State of JavaScript survey, sharing their take on the trends, tools, and libraries shaping the JavaScript ecosystem. They discuss why the survey is so valuable for developers, from discovering new language features to tracking the rise and fall of popular libraries. The conversation covers the dominance of Vite as the most loved library, React's continued strong usage despite growing pain points, the steady decline of Webpack sentiment, and the emergence of tools like Rolldown (a Rust-based bundler from the Vite team) and Hono (a backend framework with sky-high satisfaction ratings). Beyond libraries, Julie and Andrew explore front-end framework trends, noting that the era of constantly jumping between frameworks seems to be over, with the average developer using just 2.6 frameworks across their career. They also touch on testing tools (including Vitest's rapid rise alongside Jest's declining satisfaction), the state of AI coding tools in the survey results, mono repo tooling, and some interesting community picks like Observable Framework for building dashboards. Whether you're a seasoned JavaScript developer or working in the Microsoft 365 ecosystem, this episode offers a great pulse check on where the industry is heading. 🔗 LINKS=================================================🔗 State of JavaScript Survey 2025 Results 🔗 Vite🔗 Vitest🔗 Rolldown🔗 Hono🔗 Observable FrameworkAndrew's Picks:🔗 Thousands of CEOs just admitted AI had no impact on employment or productivity—and it has economists resurrecting a paradox from 40 years ago🔗 This CTO Says 93% of Developers Use AI, but Productivity Is Still 10%Julie's Pick:🔗 Camellia Beans 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORS Sympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Website 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTube Voitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 Website 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (00:00) - Introduction (05:01) - State of JavaScript 2025 Survey (01:09:21) - AC's & Julie's Picks

    1hr 23min
  5. 025 | PnPjs Explained: Fluent APIs for SharePoint & Microsoft Graph

    11 FEB

    025 | PnPjs Explained: Fluent APIs for SharePoint & Microsoft Graph

    In this episode, we explore PnPjs, the widely-used open source TypeScript library that simplifies Microsoft 365 development by providing a fluent API for SharePoint REST and Microsoft Graph endpoints. Co-maintainer Julie Turner explains how PnPjs eliminates manual URL string concatenation, offers IntelliSense support for discovering API methods, and works seamlessly across SharePoint Framework (SPFx) client-side solutions, Node.js server applications, and browser-based apps. We discuss the library's tree-shaking capabilities for minimal bundle sizes, flexible authentication options, including built-in SPFx context behaviors, and its pass-through design that preserves underlying API functionality. Whether you're building SPFx web parts, Azure Functions, or Teams applications, learn why over 38,000 tenants rely on PnPjs to generate 40 billion API calls monthly and how to get started with just two core packages. 🔗 LINKS=================================================From the episode intro & banter:🔗 Breast Cancer Marathon News / Feature🔗 PnPjs 🔗 M365 Community Conference Andrew's Pick:🔗 Hacking Moltbook: The AI Social Network Any Human Can Control🔗 How AI assistance impacts the formation of coding skills Julie's Pick:🔗 Qobuz 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORS Sympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Website 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTube Voitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 Website 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (00:00) - Introduction (06:16) - News / Interview (53:52) - AC's & Julie's Picks

    1hr 11min
  6. 024 | SharePoint Framework Issues, Upcoming Features, & Data-Bound Controls

    28 JAN

    024 | SharePoint Framework Issues, Upcoming Features, & Data-Bound Controls

    In this episode, Andrew Connell and Julie Turner cover critical SharePoint Framework issues affecting developers in early 2026. We discuss breaking changes in the new document library experience that push command set extensions to overflow menus and break folder hiding settings, a significant debugging bug preventing field and form customizers from executing on lists during local development, and the upcoming SPFx Developer Toolbar. We also dive deep into the architectural debate between data-bound "smart" controls versus separation of concerns, examining dependency conflicts in PnP Reusable Controls caused by outdated PnP.js versions and why forcing developers to accept control-imposed dependencies creates maintenance nightmares. 🔗 LINKS=================================================From the episode intro & banter:🔗 AC: Microsoft 365 Copilot & Claude Naming is Misleading🔗 Julie: Ask Sympraxis & WorkIQ SharePoint Framework Issues & New Features:🔗 🐞 Issue 10607: SP Lists breaking SPFx extensibility (field & form customizers)🔗 🐞 Issue 10598: New doc library breaking SPFx extensibility🔗 💬 Ask Sympraxis: New Document Library (FEB-4, 2026)🔗 ✨ SPFx Debug Toolbar Data-Bound Controls🔗 PnP Reusable React Controls🔗 PnP Reusable Property Pane Controls Andrew's Pick:🔗 Apollo Guidance Computer: Restoring the computer that put man on the Moon Julie's Pick:🔗 Tech Promised Everything. Did it deliver? | Scott Hanselman 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORS Sympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Website 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTube Voitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 Website 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (00:00) - Introduction (16:45) - SharePoint Framework News (issues & new feature) (40:04) - Data-Bound UX Controls (01:01:56) - AC's & Julie's Picks

    1hr 10min
  7. 023 | Cloud Dev Trends: Our Wishes & Predictions for 2026!

    14 JAN

    023 | Cloud Dev Trends: Our Wishes & Predictions for 2026!

    Join Andrew Connell and Julie Turner as they share their top wishes and predictions for 2026 in cloud-based development, focusing on Microsoft 365 and Azure. Andrew wishes Microsoft would consolidate its confusing AI and Copilot landscape, adopt Anthropic's skills concept for better token usage, and improve documentation to focus on transformation rather than just technical how-tos. Julie hopes Microsoft will finally complete classic SharePoint page modernization, especially for configuration pages, and expand API coverage for critical features like document sets, term store management, and site settings. On the predictions front, Andrew foresees continued confusion in Microsoft's Teams and agent development story through the Build conference and beyond, while Anthropic continues to lead in AI trust and transparency. Julie predicts potential progress on classic site cleanup but expects disappointment on API improvements and Azure Functions fixes. This candid discussion offers valuable insights into the challenges developers face with the Microsoft ecosystem and where the platform needs to evolve in 2026. 🔗 LINKS================================================= Andrew's Picks:🔗 Anthropic: Create and distribute a plugin marketplace for Claude Code🔗 claude-reflect: A self-learning system for Claude Code that captures corrections, positive feedback, and preferences — then syncs them to CLAUDE.md and AGENTS.md. Julie's Pick:🔗 The 21 Best Non-Alcoholic Drinks In A Can Or Bottle, Based On Testing 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORS Sympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Website 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTube Voitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 Website 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (00:00) - Introduction (08:18) - Wishes for 2026 (37:01) - Predictions for 2026 (01:00:37) - AC's & Julie's Picks

    1hr 7min
  8. 022 | How We Use AI in Our Personal and Work Lives

    31/12/2025

    022 | How We Use AI in Our Personal and Work Lives

    The original audio recording cut out ~30 minutes (when the full episode was ~67m)... this has been fixed in the latest download. In this end-of-year episode, Andrew and Julie dive into how AI has become an integral part of their daily lives. They discuss the various AI tools they rely on for personal tasks, business operations, and software development, including Gemini, Claude, and GitHub Copilot. The conversation covers when and why they choose specific platforms, how AI assists in their writing processes, and the role of AI coding assistants in their development workflows. They also touch on thought-provoking content about AI's impact on society, referencing episodes from the Diary of a CEO podcast featuring discussions on brain health and leadership perspectives from Simon Sinek. 🔗 LINKS=================================================From the episode intro & banter:🔗 AC's January 2026 SPFx Workshop Microsoft Playwright Workspaces:🔗 Introducing Azure App Testing: Scalable End-to-end App Validation🔗 MS Learn: What is Playwright Workspaces News / Feature🔗 DOAC: Brain Experts WARNING: Watch This Before Using ChatGPT Again!🔗 DOAC: Simon Sinek: You're Being Lied To About AI's Real Purpose! We're Teaching Our Kids To Not Be Human! Julie's Pick:🔗 Focus Challenge: This Sound *REWIRES* Something Inside You | Tibetan Singing Bowl Sound Bath for Stress Relief, HEAL Andrew's Pick:🔗 Jonny Miller: The Truth About How Your Nervous System Operates 🎙️ PODCAST🔗 https://codedeploygo.live, LinkedIn, Bluesky 🎙️ HOSTSJulie TurnerAndrew Connell: LinkedIn, YouTube, Bluesky, Newsletter SPONSORS Sympraxis (by Julie Turner) 🔗 Website 🔗 Ask Sympraxis 🔗 YouTube Voitanos (by Andrew Connell) 🔗 Website 🔗 LinkedIn 🔗 Bluesky Music Credit: Ken Bagley (00:00) - Introduction (14:54) - Episode Discussion (01:03:07) - AC's & Julie's Picks

    1hr 8min
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Welcome to the Code. Deploy. Go Live. podcast! By Microsoft MVPs Andrew Connell and Julie Turner, our mission is to deliver prescriptive guidance on Microsoft 365 and Azure for Full-Stack Developers. Get the latest news, discussions, and interviews on topics ranging from Microsoft 365, Microsoft Azure, and related topics. For developers, by developers!

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    Andrew Connell & Julie Turner
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