Talking Europe

Politicians, activists and researchers debate the issues facing the EU and a 'guest of the week' offers their insight in a long-format interview that gets to the heart of the matter. Saturday at 7:15pm.

  1. 18 HR AGO

    'We need a decisive European pillar inside NATO': Parliamentary Assembly President Perestrello

    Over the past year, NATO has been dealing with an unprecedented split between the US and other members of the alliance. Our guest is Marcos Perestrello, the president of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, a body that brings together legislators from NATO member countries. Perestrello is a former secretary of state for national defence in the Portuguese government. US President Donald Trump has repeatedly threatened the sovereignty of two founding members of NATO, Denmark and Canada, and he has lashed out at NATO countries for refusing his calls to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz during the US and Israeli strikes on Iran. In a fresh blow to the Atlantic alliance, Trump has announced the withdrawal of 5,000 American soldiers from Germany. Read moreA look at the US military presence in Europe as Trump seeks to withdraw troops from Germany While France is promoting the idea of a distinct European defence capability, the strongly Atlanticist NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte refers to the notion of a European defence pillar as "a bit of an empty word". What does Perestrello think? "You need to build a European pillar inside NATO, capable of contributing decisively to the defence of the Euro-Atlantic region," he answers. "I think that's the point. It's not an empty pillar. It's a pillar built with European capabilities and European availability to assume responsibilities inside NATO. So I would say that you need to find the European pillar inside NATO, not outside. Because when the Secretary General says that we should not dream of being able to defend the European continent without the US, what he is saying is that if we go apart, we become weaker. If we work together, we become much stronger. Together, we were able to assure peace and safety in the Euro-Atlantic region for 80 years." Perestrello recently visited lawmakers in the US, and he insists that, despite Trump's threats against NATO, he found "strong support for the strengthening of the transatlantic bond, and strong support for the transatlantic alliance, both in the House (of Representatives) and in the Senate of the US." But Perestrello says there is also a recognition that "European countries need to do a lot more on the development of our defence capabilities". Referring to last year's NATO summit in The Hague, where members pledged to increase their defence spending to 5 percent of GDP by 2035, Perestrello remarks: "The targets are established. Now we need to settle and evaluate how this defence spending is increasing. How it is being put into effect. And that is the major thing that needs to be discussed in Ankara (at the NATO summit in July). All the countries are assuming their responsibilities. Even Spain crossed the 2 percent (target) last year. And there's a role also for European leaders to call on the attention of the US administration that the commitments assumed are being accomplished. It's important that everybody knows that." On NATO's support for Ukraine, Perestrello says: "Frankly, I think we are not doing enough. What we are doing allows Ukraine to resist, allows Ukraine to inflict some damage on Russia, but it's not enough to put pressure on Russia and force them to sit at the table and seriously negotiate a ceasefire and a peace process." Programme prepared by Isabelle Romero, Oihana Almandoz and Perrine Desplats

    12 min
  2. 1 MAY

    'We should be able to open up negotiations' with Ukraine, Sweden's EU minister says

    During her recent visit to France, we caught up with Sweden's minister for EU affairs, Jessica Rosencrantz. We discuss the energy crunch and what it means for Europe's competitiveness; Sweden's and the EU's relationship with Ukraine; and Sweden's dynamic tech and innovation scene. We start with the energy crisis hitting Europe as a result of the war in the Middle East. The Swedish government has stated that fuel rationing might be an option at some point. Rosencrantz says that, in Sweden, "we are putting in place measures to dampen the effects of the spikes in prices by reducing the tax on electricity, for example." She goes on: "It is really important to help consumers and businesses now. But that shouldn't take the focus away from what we need to do in the long run (at the EU level). We need to keep our eyes on the prize, and that is to boost competitiveness in general through simplification. Through fulfilling the single market. And of course, what's going on now really shows that being dependent on fossil fuels from the Middle East or from Russia; that's a bad strategy. It's bad for climate. It's bad for the economy. And it's bad for security." Sweden is one of the EU's most committed providers of economic and military aid to Ukraine, and we discuss the new situation following the ouster of Viktor Orban in the Hungarian election. She notes that the unblocking of the EU's €90 billion loan to Ukraine "was, of course, an important step. So I'm very glad about the new position from Hungary on this. It's a crucial step, but it's not enough. Sweden has a two-point plan, which is quite simple: more support to Ukraine and more pressure on Russia." On Ukraine's prospects for joining the EU, Rosencrantz says: "Ukraine belongs in the European family. But we say also from the Swedish point of view that it's a merit-based approach. Any candidate country has to do the reforms. But we from the EU, we shouldn't be the ones blocking. It should be about the reform pace in Ukraine. And they're doing a lot of reforms. We should be able to open up negotiations and start the process. And here I'm hoping, of course, that Hungary will follow this line as well." We turn to the Swedish "tech boom", one of Rosencrantz's main areas of interest. "I'm very proud of the Swedish tech scene," she says. "We are ranked number one in innovation in the EU. Number two in the world, actually. In Sweden, it's described as a hobby to invest in stocks and funds. I also think we from Sweden could export our model to the rest of Europe when it comes to capital markets. But of course we also need simplification, we need to reduce bureaucracy, which is something we're all talking about in Europe. But we need to go from just words to concrete action. We're doing it with all these different omnibus packages, but we need more of those. And the Swedish government has been quite active in, for example, the digital omnibus on artificial intelligence, which is important for creating really good conditions for entrepreneurs and tech companies to scale up, but also to stay in Europe." Programme prepared by Agnès Le Cossec, Oihana Almandoz, Isabelle Romero, Perrine Desplats and Aline Bottin

    12 min
  3. 1 MAY

    Hungary and Bulgaria elections: EU's new ally and new adversary?

    In this week's Talking Europe, we take a moment to check the pulse of the European Parliament following a spate of European elections, to see how they'll impact the EU – and whether the EU should weigh on European domestic politics at all. The end of 16 years of power for Viktor Orban in Hungary may signal the end of an era of veto-wielding from Budapest, but how much of an ally will his successor be? Peter Magyar met with Commission President Ursula von der Leyen this week, with the objective of laying out a framework of reforms that will ensure Hungary can receive billions of frozen EU funds – funds that were suspended over rule-of-law issues under the previous government. Further to the east, Bulgarian voters went to the polls for the eighth time in five years and, perhaps fed up with the instability, voted massively in favour of the former president and former fighter pilot Rumen Radev. He's known for his Eurosceptic views and positions more closely aligned with Russia on topics such as Ukraine than may suit European institutions. Those two results shake up the political kaleidoscope in Europe – and may shake up the plans of other populist politicians in the EU, such as Slovakia's Prime Minister Robert Fico. Indeed, one conclusion from the EU's freezing of funds to Hungary could be that Brussels is able to leverage those funds to punish governments it considers aren't playing by its rules. We ask if that's really the EU's role. To discuss these issues, we're joined by Katarina Roth Nevedalova, a non-attached MEP from Slovakia from the party of Prime Minister Robert Fico; by Kristian Vigenin, S&D MEP from Bulgaria and former Bulgarian foreign minister; and by Daniel Freund, a Green MEP from Germany, who co-chairs the Anti-Corruption Intergroup in the European Parliament. Programme prepared by Oihana Almandoz, Isabelle Romero, Perrine Desplats and Aline Bottin

    13 min
  4. 17 APR

    'Totally unfair' that EU countries making money on energy crunch: Former EU commissioner Breton

    Our guest in this show is known for crossing swords with the Trump administration on the regulation of big tech and, more recently, for actually coming under a US travel ban. Thierry Breton was the EU Commissioner for the Internal Market from 2019 to 2024, when he had a major role in driving forward the Digital Services Act and the Digital Markets Act. He and four other figures were hit with US travel bans at the end of last year, prompting Breton to denounce what he called "a wind of McCarthyism blowing again". Breton is a former minister for the economy, finance and industry in France, and a prominent commentator on political and economic matters. He says he "strongly believes" that an agreement will be found between the US and Iran, and that this will be in Europe's interest "especially because of what we see in terms of gasoline prices". "I say that it is totally unfair that EU member states are making money on the increase in energy prices, as most of them have a value-added tax (VAT) on that," Breton says, pointing out that the increase in prices "is artificial". He goes on: "They (member states) have to give back the additional money that they make, and especially for those who need the most support and help. We can think about farmers, we can think about truck drivers, we can think about anyone who is directly impacted." Asked about Peter Magyar's stunning victory in the Hungarian election – and the ouster of Viktor Orban – Breton emphasises Magyar's commitment to restoring the rule of law in Hungary. "The rule of law was a big, big, issue," Breton remarks. "The former administration under Viktor Orban did not respect the rule of law. So the good news is that Peter Magyar is willing to change this. For us, what is important is that all member states follow our rule of law, because this is what makes us stronger together, and it is definitely the core of our project." On the travel ban issued against him by the US authorities, Breton says: "What I understand is that I have, unfortunately, been banned or designated as the mastermind behind the Digital Services Act. You know, I just did my job. What I did was not against anyone. It's not against China, it's not against Singapore, it's not against the US. This is the same for everyone. By the way, the digital act has been voted at 90 percent by our MEPs. It has been voted by 27 countries. This is not about Thierry Breton. This is about Europe. So I understand that behind my case it's Europe, of course, which is being targeted. And I really hope that we will come back to normality because there is a huge misunderstanding about what we have done together in our own European digital space." This edition of Talking Europe also features a report from FRANCE 24's Clovis Casali on the aftermath of the momentous parliamentary election in Hungary. Programme prepared by Oihana Almandoz, Aline Bottin, Isabelle Romero and Perrine Desplats

    12 min
  5. 27 MAR

    'We need to double down' on energy autonomy: EIB chief Nadia Calviño

    Europe must speed up its push for energy independence and break free from "excessive dependence on fossil fuels" as the continent grapples with a more volatile and hostile global order, the head of the world's largest public bank told FRANCE 24's Douglas Herbert in Talking Europe. Nadia Calviño, the president of the European Investment Bank, and a former deputy prime minister in the Spanish government of Pedro Sanchez, has been named one Europe's top "doers" by the digital news site Politico. She is at the helm of one of the world's largest public lenders – which has set a funding goal of €100 billion this year alone – at a time when defence, security and tech sovereignty have catapulted to the top of the European agenda. Calviño told FRANCE 24 that the green transition is a strategic necessity. "We need to continue on this track… so that we can become more independent and have a stronger voice in this new world." That shift is also visible in the EIB's evolving priorities. While insisting in the past that the bank is "not a defence ministry", Calviño says the shifting global landscape has seen a sharp increase in the bank's support for security and defence-related projects, particularly dual-use technologies. Funding has roughly doubled over the past two years, and could rise further. "I wouldn't exclude that we revise [targets] upwards in the course of the year," she said, pointing to growing demand as Europe seeks to scale up its capabilities. Beyond geopolitics, Calviño highlighted a mounting domestic pressure point: Europe's housing crisis. Housing prices across the EU have surged by around 60 percent since 2015, with rents soaring and supply tightening. "We've had a perfect storm since the pandemic," she said. The EIB plans to invest €6 billion this year in housing, focusing on cheaper construction methods, renovation of existing buildings and new projects as part of a broader push to ease pressure on households and younger generations. On Ukraine, the EIB has emerged as a key financial backer since Russia's full-scale invasion, mobilising €4 billion to rebuild infrastructure, support businesses and keep the economy afloat. Calviño expressed confidence in Ukraine's long-term prospects. "I am quite confident that the Ukrainian economy is going to bounce back very strongly once the war is over," she said, citing the resilience of its people and ongoing cooperation with Kyiv. She also pushed back on the impact of US trade tensions under Donald Trump, arguing that tariffs have hit American companies harder than European ones. EU firms, she said, are benefiting from a vast network of global trade agreements. In a fragmenting world, she insisted, Europe has the tools, and the scale, to act like the global economic superpower it is – if it chooses to use them. Programme prepared by Paul Guianvarc'h, Perrine Desplats, Aline Bottin, Oihana Almandoz and Isabelle Romero

    13 min

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Politicians, activists and researchers debate the issues facing the EU and a 'guest of the week' offers their insight in a long-format interview that gets to the heart of the matter. Saturday at 7:15pm.

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