TBPN

John Coogan & Jordi Hays

TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing. Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.

  1. How I Built and Sold SALT & STONE

    10 HR AGO

    How I Built and Sold SALT & STONE

    This is our full interview with Nima Jalali, recorded live on TBPN. We discuss how he went from pro snowboarder to building one of the fastest-growing personal care brands in the market, unpack why relentless product obsession, profitability from day one, and brand building over playbook thinking helped the company scale to $165 million in revenue, and debate what aspiring consumer founders can learn from his unconventional path on everything from product development and retail expansion to focus, funding, and building a legacy brand that can last for generations. Sign up for TBPN’s daily newsletter at TBPN.com TBPN.com is made possible by:Ramp - https://Ramp.comAppLovin - https://axon.aiCognition - https://cognition.aiConsole - https://console.comCrowdStrike - https://crowdstrike.comElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.ioFigma - https://figma.comFin - https://fin.aiGemini - https://gemini.google.comGraphite - https://graphite.comGusto - https://gusto.com/tbpnLabelbox - https://labelbox.comLambda - https://lambda.aiLinear - https://linear.appMongoDB - https://mongodb.comNYSE - https://nyse.comOkta - https://www.okta.comPhantom - https://phantom.com/cashPlaid - https://plaid.comPublic - https://public.comRailway - https://railway.comRamp - https://ramp.comRestream - https://restream.ioSentry - https://sentry.ioShopify - https://shopify.comTurbopuffer - https://turbopuffer.comVanta - https://vanta.comVibe - https://vibe.coSentry - https://sentry.ioCisco - https://www.ciscoaisummit.com/ai-virtual-summit.html Follow TBPN:https://TBPN.comhttps://x.com/tbpnhttps://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/technology-brothers/id1772360235https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive

    29 min
  2. Arm’s $15B Chip Bet, Sanders & AOC vs Datacenters, Meta & YouTube Lose Trial | Diet TBPN

    12 HR AGO

    Arm’s $15B Chip Bet, Sanders & AOC vs Datacenters, Meta & YouTube Lose Trial | Diet TBPN

    Diet TBPN delivers the best of today’s TBPN episode in 30 minutes. TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with each episode posted to podcast platforms right after. Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” the show has recently featured Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. TBPN is made possible by: Ramp - https://Ramp.com AppLovin - https://axon.ai Cisco - https://www.cisco.com Cognition - https://cognition.ai Console - https://console.com CrowdStrike - https://crowdstrike.com ElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.io Figma - https://figma.com Fin - https://fin.ai Gemini - https://gemini.google.com Graphite - https://graphite.com Gusto - https://gusto.com/tbpn Kalshi - https://kalshi.com Labelbox - https://labelbox.com Lambda - https://lambda.ai Linear - https://linear.app MongoDB - https://mongodb.com NYSE - https://nyse.com Okta - https://www.okta.com Phantom - https://phantom.com/cash Plaid - https://plaid.com Public - https://public.com Railway - https://railway.com Restream - https://restream.io Sentry - https://sentry.io Shopify - https://shopify.com/tbpn Turbopuffer - https://turbopuffer.com Vanta - https://vanta.com Vibe - https://vibe.co Follow TBPN:  https://TBPN.com https://x.com/tbpn https://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/technology-brothers/id1772360235 https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive

    32 min
  3. 14 HR AGO

    Arm Pumps CPUs, Social Media Addiction, Data Center Ban | Eric Goldman, Nima Jalali, Jon McNeill, Karri Saarinen, Dimi Kellari, Mikey Shulman, Aida Baradari, Zack Kanter, Nik Milanović, Zach Perret

    Sign up for TBPN’s daily newsletter at TBPN.com (07:16) - Arm's $15B Chip Bet (19:18) - Sanders & AOC: Pause Data Centers (32:34) - Meta & YouTube Lose Addiction Trial (41:48) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions (49:14) - "Thou Shalt Not Steal" Op-Ed Reaction (57:00) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions (01:18:30) - Eric Goldman, Associate Dean for Research and Professor of Law at Santa Clara University School of Law, specializes in Internet Law, Intellectual Property, and Advertising & Marketing Law. He discusses the recent California state court case where a jury awarded $6 million in damages to a plaintiff who alleged that social media platforms contributed to her mental health issues. Goldman highlights the broader implications of this verdict, noting that it could set a precedent for numerous similar lawsuits pending across the country, potentially leading to significant financial liabilities for social media companies and prompting changes in platform design and regulation. (01:34:35) - Nima Jalali, a former professional snowboarder from Los Angeles, is the founder and CEO of Salt & Stone, a natural skincare brand established in 2017. In the conversation, he discusses his transition from snowboarding to entrepreneurship, emphasizing the importance of creating high-performing, design-led products that resonate with consumers. Jalali highlights the brand's rapid growth, its focus on quality and authenticity, and the significance of building a lasting legacy through relentless dedication and strategic partnerships. (02:04:01) - Jon McNeill, an American businessman and entrepreneur, has held prominent roles including President of Global Sales and Service at Tesla and Chief Operating Officer at Lyft. In the conversation, he discusses the operational framework he developed at Tesla, emphasizing principles such as questioning every requirement, simplifying processes, accelerating workflows, and automating last. He illustrates these concepts with examples, like reducing Tesla's online purchase process from 64 to 20 clicks by eliminating non-essential steps, and highlights the importance of maintaining focus and agility within organizations to drive innovation and efficiency. (02:24:28) - Karri Saarinen, co-founder and CEO of Linear, a software development company founded in 2019, discusses the need to rethink traditional issue tracking systems, emphasizing that outdated processes hinder efficiency in the era of AI agents. He highlights the importance of simplifying workflows and leveraging AI to automate tasks, allowing engineers to focus on more complex problems. Saarinen also introduces Linear's new features, such as the Linear Agent, designed to enhance productivity by providing context and automating routine tasks. (02:39:43) - Dimi Kellari, co-founder and CEO of Neion Bio, discusses how his company genetically engineers chickens to produce medicines within their eggs, aiming to reduce drug manufacturing costs and enhance accessibility. With a background in aerospace engineering, Kellari transitioned to biotech to address challenges in drug pricing and supply chains. He highlights a recent commercial deal to bring up to three biosimilar drugs to market, emphasizing the scalability of their approach, where a few thousand chickens can produce the global supply of a drug like Humira. (02:45:53) - Mikey Shulman, co-founder and CEO of Suno, an AI-driven music creation platform, discusses the company's focus on providing fulfilling creative experiences in consumer entertainment, emphasizing their identity as a consumer and entertainment company rather than a traditional AI lab. He highlights the platform's growth, noting the recent milestone of 2 million subscribers and $300 million in annual recurring revenue, attributing this success to the team's hard work and innovative engagement strategies. Shulman also introduces new product features, including a model that allows users to create music using their own voices, enhancing personalization and accessibility in music creation. (02:57:05) - Aida Baradari, a Harvard physics graduate, is the founder of Valence, a company dedicated to protecting personal freedom through innovative technology. She discusses the development of a smart ultrasonic jammer that detects nearby recording devices and emits targeted distortion signals, ensuring private conversations remain confidential. Baradari also addresses the device's applications for privacy-conscious individuals and organizations, its current price point, and the legal considerations surrounding its use. (03:04:35) - Zack Kanter, founder and CEO of Stedi, discusses his journey from leading an auto parts business to establishing Stedi, a healthcare clearinghouse that processes administrative transactions in the healthcare sector. He explains how Stedi facilitates real-time eligibility checks and claims processing, handling tens of millions of transactions monthly. Kanter also highlights the company's growth, noting that Stedi has raised $142 million to date and employs approximately 125 people in a distributed, remote work environment. (03:12:09) - Nik Milanovi, founder of the fintech media company "This Week in Fintech," discusses its recent acquisition by Plaid, highlighting plans to maintain the company's community-focused initiatives and expand internationally. He observes that, following a surge in 2021, many fintech companies have stabilized and are now effectively competing with traditional financial institutions. Milanovi also emphasizes the need for deeper media coverage of fintech innovations and expresses a commitment to enhancing the industry's discourse. (03:19:21) - Zach Perret, co-founder and CEO of Plaid, discusses his selective approach to event participation, emphasizing the importance of attendee quality and event size. He highlights Plaid's recent acquisition of This Week in Fintech, expressing excitement about the collaboration. Additionally, Perret shares Plaid's focus on integrating AI into financial services, mentioning their partnership with Perplexity to enhance consumer-facing AI experiences. TBPN.com is made possible by: Ramp - https://Ramp.com AppLovin - https://axon.ai Cisco - https://www.cisco.com Cognition - https://cognition.ai Console - https://console.com CrowdStrike - https://crowdstrike.com ElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.io Figma - https://figma.com Fin - https://fin.ai Gemini - https://gemini.google.com Graphite - https://graphite.com Gusto - https://gusto.com/tbpn Kalshi - https://kalshi.com Labelbox - https://labelbox.com Lambda - https://lambda.ai Linear - https://linear.app MongoDB - https://mongodb.com NYSE - https://nyse.com Okta - https://www.okta.com Phantom - https://phantom.com...

    3h 31m
  4. Benchmark’s Ship of Theseus, OpenAI Kills Sora, SpaceX $2T IPO Buzz | Diet TBPN

    1 DAY AGO

    Benchmark’s Ship of Theseus, OpenAI Kills Sora, SpaceX $2T IPO Buzz | Diet TBPN

    Diet TBPN delivers the best of today’s TBPN episode in 30 minutes. TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with each episode posted to podcast platforms right after. Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” the show has recently featured Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. TBPN is made possible by: Ramp - https://Ramp.com AppLovin - https://axon.ai Cisco - https://www.cisco.com Cognition - https://cognition.ai Console - https://console.com CrowdStrike - https://crowdstrike.com ElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.io Figma - https://figma.com Fin - https://fin.ai Gemini - https://gemini.google.com Graphite - https://graphite.com Gusto - https://gusto.com/tbpn Kalshi - https://kalshi.com Labelbox - https://labelbox.com Lambda - https://lambda.ai Linear - https://linear.app MongoDB - https://mongodb.com NYSE - https://nyse.com Okta - https://www.okta.com Phantom - https://phantom.com/cash Plaid - https://plaid.com Public - https://public.com Railway - https://railway.com Restream - https://restream.io Sentry - https://sentry.io Shopify - https://shopify.com/tbpn Turbopuffer - https://turbopuffer.com Vanta - https://vanta.com Vibe - https://vibe.co Follow TBPN:  https://TBPN.com https://x.com/tbpn https://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/technology-brothers/id1772360235 https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive

    31 min
  5. 1 DAY AGO

    Benchmark's Future, SpaceX IPO, RIP Sora | Mike Knoop, Nathan Benaich, Rohin Dhar, Eric Jorgenson, Jenny Just, and Matt Hulsizer

    Sign up for TBPN’s daily newsletter at TBPN.com (05:33) - The Benchmark Ship of Theseus (18:56) - OpenAI to Kill Sora (28:36) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions (47:47) - SpaceX Could File for an IPO This Week (56:37) - Manus Founder Stuck in China (01:04:14) - Mike Knoop is the co-founder of Zapier, the automation platform that connects apps and workflows without code. He is also a co-founder of the ARC Prize, an initiative advancing progress toward artificial general intelligence through benchmark-driven research, and now focuses on early-stage investing and technical projects across AI and software infrastructure. (01:27:13) - Nathan Benaich is the founder and general partner of Air Street Capital, a venture firm focused on AI-first companies. He is also the creator of the State of AI Report, one of the most widely read annual analyses of the AI industry, and co-founded the AI research hub RAAIS (Research and Applied AI Summit). (01:40:06) - Rohin Dhar is a San Francisco–based real estate agent specializing in residential properties. He works with buyers and sellers across the Bay Area, focusing on navigating competitive markets and helping clients make informed investment and housing decisions. (01:51:22) - Eric Jorgenson is an author and investor best known for The Almanack of Naval Ravikant and The Book of Elon, where he distills the ideas, strategies, and operating principles behind Elon Musk’s approach to building companies. He writes about leverage, decision-making, and product-building while working with early-stage startups. (02:05:08) - Jenny Just & Matt Hulsizer are the co-founders and managing partners of PEAK6, a financial services and technology firm spanning trading, investing, and venture. They focuses on building and backing companies across fintech, consumer, and education, and is known for their emphasis on performance culture and long-term value creation. TBPN.com is made possible by: Ramp - https://Ramp.com AppLovin - https://axon.ai Cisco - https://www.cisco.com Cognition - https://cognition.ai Console - https://console.com CrowdStrike - https://crowdstrike.com ElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.io Figma - https://figma.com Fin - https://fin.ai Gemini - https://gemini.google.com Graphite - https://graphite.com Gusto - https://gusto.com/tbpn Kalshi - https://kalshi.com Labelbox - https://labelbox.com Lambda - https://lambda.ai Linear - https://linear.app MongoDB - https://mongodb.com NYSE - https://nyse.com Okta - https://www.okta.com Phantom - https://phantom.com/cash Plaid - https://plaid.com Public - https://public.com Railway - https://railway.com Restream - https://restream.io Sentry - https://sentry.io Shopify - https://shopify.com/tbpn Turbopuffer - https://turbopuffer.com Vanta - https://vanta.com Vibe - https://vibe.co Follow TBPN:  https://TBPN.com https://x.com/tbpn https://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/technology-brothers/id1772360235 https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive

    2h 27m
  6. Peptide Debate Recap, John Ternus Rumors Swirl, OpenAI Nonprofit to Spend $1B | Diet TBPN

    2 DAYS AGO

    Peptide Debate Recap, John Ternus Rumors Swirl, OpenAI Nonprofit to Spend $1B | Diet TBPN

    Diet TBPN delivers the best of today’s TBPN episode in 30 minutes. TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with each episode posted to podcast platforms right after. Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” the show has recently featured Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. TBPN is made possible by: Ramp - https://Ramp.com AppLovin - https://axon.ai Cisco - https://www.cisco.com Cognition - https://cognition.ai Console - https://console.com CrowdStrike - https://crowdstrike.com ElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.io Figma - https://figma.com Fin - https://fin.ai Gemini - https://gemini.google.com Graphite - https://graphite.com Gusto - https://gusto.com/tbpn Kalshi - https://kalshi.com Labelbox - https://labelbox.com Lambda - https://lambda.ai Linear - https://linear.app MongoDB - https://mongodb.com NYSE - https://nyse.com Okta - https://www.okta.com Phantom - https://phantom.com/cash Plaid - https://plaid.com Public - https://public.com Railway - https://railway.com Restream - https://restream.io Sentry - https://sentry.io Shopify - https://shopify.com/tbpn Turbopuffer - https://turbopuffer.com Vanta - https://vanta.com Vibe - https://vibe.co Follow TBPN:  https://TBPN.com https://x.com/tbpn https://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/technology-brothers/id1772360235 https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive

    29 min
  7. 2 DAYS AGO

    Hill & Valley Gigastream, Apple's Next CEO, OpenAI's Non-Profit | Scott Nolan, Sarah Guo, Casey Handmer, Shaun Maguire, Delian Asparouhov, Zach Dell, Ryan Petersen, and Chase Lochmiller

    Sign up for TBPN’s daily newsletter at TBPN.com (06:46) - Who Won The Great Peptide Debate (13:57) - Ternus Steps Into Apple Spotlight (34:12) - TBPN Featured in Fast Company (39:11) - OpenAI's Non-Profit to Spend $1B in 2026 (40:59) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions (50:52) - Chase Lochmiller is the co-founder and CEO of Crusoe, an energy and computing company that uses stranded natural gas to power data centers and AI workloads. He focuses on aligning energy production with high-performance computing demand, turning wasted resources into infrastructure for machine learning and cloud services. (01:06:04) - Ryan Petersen is the founder and CEO of Flexport, a global logistics and freight forwarding company using software to modernize supply chains. He is known for his hands-on leadership style and for bringing transparency, data, and real-time visibility to international shipping and trade. (01:20:49) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions (01:23:28) - Scott Nolan is the founder and CEO of General Matter, a company focused on advanced materials and next-generation industrial technologies. He previously was a partner at Founders Fund, where he invested in frontier sectors like aerospace, defense, and manufacturing, and continues to focus on building technically ambitious companies with long-term impact. (01:35:19) - Sarah Guo is the founder of Conviction, a venture firm focused on AI-native companies. She was previously a general partner at Greylock, where she led investments in companies like Figma, and is known for backing founders building across the AI stack—from infrastructure to applications. (01:48:41) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions (01:55:39) - Casey Handmer is the co-founder and CEO of Terraform Industries, a company focused on producing low-cost synthetic fuels using renewable energy. A former physicist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, he writes extensively on energy, climate, and industrial systems, with an emphasis on scaling technologies that enable abundant clean energy. (02:04:42) - Shaun Maguire is a partner at Sequoia Capital focused on early-stage investments in AI, infrastructure, and frontier technologies. He previously founded Expanse, a cybersecurity company acquired by Palo Alto Networks, and is known for backing technically ambitious founders and writing about geopolitics, defense, and the future of software. (02:19:09) - 𝕏 Timeline Reactions (02:24:13) - Delian Asparouhov is a partner at Founders Fund focused on frontier technologies, including aerospace, defense, and advanced manufacturing. He previously co-founded Varda Space Industries, which builds space-based manufacturing infrastructure, and works closely with companies pushing the boundaries of hardware and national security tech. (02:36:44) - Zach Dell is the co-founder and CEO of Base Power, a company building distributed battery systems to stabilize the electrical grid and provide backup power to homes. He previously worked in venture capital at Thrive Capital and focuses on applying software and capital to modernize energy infrastructure. TBPN.com is made possible by: Ramp - https://Ramp.com AppLovin - https://axon.ai Cisco - https://www.cisco.com Cognition - https://cognition.ai Console - https://console.com CrowdStrike - https://crowdstrike.com ElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.io Figma - https://figma.com Fin - https://fin.ai Gemini - https://gemini.google.com Graphite - https://graphite.com Gusto - https://gusto.com/tbpn Kalshi - https://kalshi.com Labelbox - https://labelbox.com Lambda - https://lambda.ai Linear - https://linear.app MongoDB - https://mongodb.com NYSE - https://nyse.com Okta - https://www.okta.com Phantom - https://phantom.com/cash Plaid - https://plaid.com Public - https://public.com Railway - https://railway.com Restream - https://restream.io Sentry - https://sentry.io Shopify - https://shopify.com/tbpn Turbopuffer - https://turbopuffer.com Vanta - https://vanta.com Vibe - https://vibe.co Follow TBPN:  https://TBPN.com https://x.com/tbpn https://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/technology-brothers/id1772360235 https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive

    2h 45m
  8. The Great Peptide Debate with Martin Shkreli & Max Marchione

    3 DAYS AGO

    The Great Peptide Debate with Martin Shkreli & Max Marchione

    This is our full interview with Martin Shkreli and Max Marchione, recorded live on TBPN. We discuss the sharp divide between biotech orthodoxy and the rising peptide movement, unpack the fight over whether compounds like BPC-157 are dangerous gray-market hype or promising under-researched tools with real-world patient impact, and debate whether the FDA should hold the line on traditional evidence standards or adapt to a world where off-label experimentation, compounding, and anecdotal outcomes are already forcing the issue. TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to podcast platforms immediately after.  Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has recently featured Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella.  Sign up for TBPN’s daily newsletter at TBPN.com TBPN.com is made possible by:Ramp - https://Ramp.comAppLovin - https://axon.aiCisco - https://www.cisco.comCognition - https://cognition.aiConsole - https://console.comCrowdStrike - https://crowdstrike.comElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.ioFigma - https://figma.comFin - https://fin.aiGemini - https://gemini.google.comGraphite - https://graphite.comGusto - https://gusto.com/tbpnKalshi - https://kalshi.comLabelbox - https://labelbox.comLambda - https://lambda.aiLinear - https://linear.appMongoDB - https://mongodb.comNYSE - https://nyse.comOkta - https://www.okta.comPhantom - https://phantom.com/cashPlaid - https://plaid.comPublic - https://public.comRailway - https://railway.comRamp - https://ramp.comRestream - https://restream.ioSentry - https://sentry.ioShopify - https://shopify.comTurbopuffer - https://turbopuffer.comVanta - https://vanta.comVibe - https://vibe.co Follow TBPN:https://TBPN.comhttps://x.com/tbpnhttps://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/technology-brothers/id1772360235https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive

    33 min

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TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing. Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.

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