Before the Downbeat: A Musical Podcast

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Welcome to Before the Downbeat, a podcast hosted by Mackenzie Horner alongside cohosts Scott Hurst and Maris Lyons! Together on a bimonthly basis they will be talking all a musical and its creative team and production history, the host's favourite songs and songs they'd either skip or remove entirely, the show's societal impact and where it stand in our current cultural landscape. Enjoy!

  1. 24. Juli

    85. Assassins

    This week, Mackenzie reunites with Scott Hurst and welcomes back former cohost Autumn Smith for a long-overdue conversation about one of Stephen Sondheim and John Weidman's most daring musicals, Assassins. Together, they explore why Assassins remains one of the most challenging shows ever written, debating whether productions lose their power when they play the material "safe" instead of forcing audiences to sit with its discomfort. They also celebrate Sondheim's masterful use of musical pastiche while finding themselves divided over the show's final emotional turn. Does the late added song "Something Just Broke" offer audiences a necessary moment of collective grief, or does it provide a convenient escape hatch that lets us identify with the victims instead of confronting the uncomfortable humanity of the assassins themselves? All this, and remember—everybody's got the right... on this week's all-new episode! Don't forget to leave us a review and share your thoughts on this episode on our social media pages. Follow the links below to reach our pages. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    Assassins Promo

    Next week, step into the Fatalistic Carnival as we bring our prolonged sixth season to an explosive close! Scott and Mackenzie are taking on one of Stephen Sondheim's most provocative and timely musicals, Assassins—and making the celebration even bigger is the long-awaited return of former cohost and now amazing guest, the Canadian Bea Arthur, Autumn Smith. Together, the trio wrestles with the show's central moral question: does Assassins ask us to sympathize with history's most infamous figures, or simply understand the forces that drove them to commit unthinkable acts? They also explore the ingenious ways Sondheim's score transforms familiar American musical styles into something deeply unsettling. All this and "there's another national anthem, for those who never win; for the suckers, for the pikers, for the ones who might have been" on next Friday's all-new episode! Don't forget to leave us a review and share your thoughts on this episode on our social media pages. Follow the links below to reach our pages. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  3. 10. Juli ·  Bonus

    Bonus Episode- How to Fix Wicked: For Good

    Fellow Ozians, it's time to revisit Wicked: For Good! Join host Mackenzie and returning special guest Jessica Maxwell as they take a deep dive into the Oscar snubbed film; breaking it down scene by scene to discuss its biggest triumphs, its missed opportunities, and the changes they believe could have made the adaptation soar. From bizarre and unexpected twisters of fate to proving that no good deed goes unpunished, they dissect every major creative choice—from new songs and expanded storylines to character arcs, pacing, and the politics of Oz. All of this and one final journey before we're "changed for good" in this all-new episode! Don't forget to leave us a review and share your thoughts on this episode on our social media pages. Follow the links below to reach our pages. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  4. 10. Juli ·  Bonus

    Thanks for Listening PSA

    After an unexpected hiatus, Before the Downbeat is back! In this special update, Mackenzie shares why the podcast took a break, opens up about experiencing creator burnout, and reveals what's next for the show. You'll also get a preview of the Season 6 finale, an exciting Season 7 lineup, our new weekly release schedule, and the road to Episode 100. Thank you for your patience and support—we can't wait to have you back Before the Downbeat!

  5. 16. Jan.

    84. The Book of Mormon

    This week, Mackenzie is joined by his two amazing co-hosts, Scott Hurst and Maris Lyons, for the first time ever as the trio tackles one of the most divisive musical comedies of the 21st century: The Book of Mormon. In this penultimate episode of Season 6, they dig into why the show still brings audiences to their feet while sparking serious discomfort. From satire and shock comedy to religion, race, and “white savior” narratives, the conversation asks who gets to laugh—and why. They also examine how the show lands in a post-2020 world and whether its hopeful ending actually earns its payoff. All this, and a bold conversation about laughter, unease, and responsibility in musical theatre—because tomorrow is a latter day. Don't forget to leave us a review and share your thoughts on this episode on our social media pages. Follow the links below to reach our pages. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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    The Book of Mormon Promo

    Next week, it’s the penultimate episode of the season, and Scott, Maris, and Mackenzie come together for the first time as they head out on their mission trip to Uganda to take on the satirical juggernaut The Book of Mormon. The trio dives into generational humour—examining how the show plays with different audiences today—and unpacks the portrayal of Uganda and its people within the musical. Plus, they reveal where each host stands on organized religion and reflect on how this piece challenged, complicated, or reshaped their own views. All this and a spooky Mormon hell dream on next Friday's all new episode! Don't forget to leave us a review and share your thoughts on this episode on our social media pages. Follow the links below to reach our pages. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  7. 12.12.2025

    83. Dirty Rotten Scoundrels

    This week, Scott and Mackenzie con their way to the French Riviera as they take on David Yazbek and Jeffrey Lane’s Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. They unpack Scott’s personal history with the show and what it taught him about staging farce. Along the way, they debate whether the show’s characters truly get enough comeuppance for modern audiences and wrestle with how contemporary productions can—and should—address the piece’s more troubling elements, particularly its use of ableism, without losing the engine of the comedy. All this and nothing is too wonderful to be true in this all-new episode! Don't forget to leave us a review and share your thoughts on this episode on our social media pages. Follow the links below to reach our pages. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

  8. 05.06.2025 ·  Bonus

    Bonus Episode-Wicked: For Good-Teaser Trailer Shot by Shot Break Down

    After the overwhelmingly positive response to our Wicked: Part I coverage, we’re back with the first instalment in our deep dive into the highly anticipated sequel, Wicked: For Good. Join host and producer Mackenzie as he breaks down the first teaser trailer shot by shot, highlighting what’s new for the screen and what’s been adapted from the stage. Plus, Mackenzie pieces together a surprisingly complete outline of the film’s narrative based on the trailer’s footage. Head over to our YouTube page to watch this shot by shot break down. Here's the link: https://youtu.be/KiZYLYeLgWQ

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Welcome to Before the Downbeat, a podcast hosted by Mackenzie Horner alongside cohosts Scott Hurst and Maris Lyons! Together on a bimonthly basis they will be talking all a musical and its creative team and production history, the host's favourite songs and songs they'd either skip or remove entirely, the show's societal impact and where it stand in our current cultural landscape. Enjoy!

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