Send us a text You didn’t get into the trades to work nonstop and still feel broke. In this episode of Trade Traction, Dennis sits down with Ken Smith, Incoming National President of MSI, to talk about what actually creates long-term traction in the trades — beyond just staying busy. Ken shares decades of experience, from starting as a technician to leading large multi-state operations, and explains why purpose, discipline, standards, and involvement outside your own shop are what separate contractors who grow from those who stay stuck. This conversation is for plumbing, HVAC, and service contractors who want: A stable, respected career in the trades A business that doesn’t rely on burnout Long-term opportunity instead of short-term hustle Clear standards for leadership, hiring, and growth If you’re tired of spinning your wheels and want your effort to finally turn into momentum, this episode will resonate. Guest: Ken Smith Host: Dennis Hamon Event: PHCC Connect Timestamps: 00:00 – Why tradespeople feel overworked but underpaid 00:14 – Busy, booked out… and still working for free 00:23 – Introducing Ken Smith (Incoming National President, MSI) 00:45 – Why purpose matters more than money 01:02 – What creates real upward momentum in the trades 01:18 – Welcome to the Trade Traction Podcast (PHCC Connect) 02:04 – Why the trades offer more opportunity than ever 02:53 – The real challenge: people, training, and engagement 03:19 – Abundance mindset vs scarcity in the trades 03:44 – Starting as an apprentice and saying yes to opportunity 04:24 – Reputation, professionalism, and long-term growth 05:04 – Learning the trade before YouTube existed 05:59 – Why mechanical skill transfers across industries 06:45 – Moving from service tech to leadership 07:34 – Organic growth vs acquisition 08:23 – Why parents misunderstand the trades 09:06 – Redefining success without college debt 09:37 – Financial head start tradespeople have early in life 10:19 – Young people, family goals, and stability 10:46 – Why connection and purpose matter more than income 11:14 – Starting early with savings and discipline 12:06 – Purpose-driven work leads to long-term success 12:24 – Why the trades are globally recession-proof 12:48 – Stability vs “sexy” careers 13:16 – Driving records and why they matter more than people think 14:16 – One ticket can change a young tech’s career 15:34 – Discipline, standards, and reduced business drama 16:29 – Hiring standards and fixing cultural issues 17:41 – Why desperation leads to bad hiring decisions 18:56 – The future of the trades and leadership vision 19:26 – Opportunity across ownership, supply, and manufacturing 20:36 – Purpose, service, and why the trades matter 21:20 – Making money with skill, intellect, and tools 22:19 – Final takeaway: don’t build alone 22:48 – Why involvement and community accelerate growth 23:22 – Closing message: traction comes from working smarter together #trade The Podcast that helps plumbing and heating service contractors stop working for free and actually turn a profit. Connect with me on social media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dennistheapprentice/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100064205912242 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dennistheapprentice Thank you once again for your support and don't forget to like, subscribe, and share this podcast with your peers! Stay tuned for more exciting content coming your way every week.