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Hosted by Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel, First Fuel brings you the latest perspectives on energy efficiency, energy management and demand response from Australia and around the world.

  1. 16.10.2025

    99: 'Never a dull moment' with Jai Thomas

    On this episode of First Fuel we're joined by Jai Thomas, Coordinator of Energy at Energy Policy WA. As Luke notes in the episode, Jai's role boils down to keeping 'the lights on and the fuels flowing' in Western Australia. This makes for a fascinating conversation about how WA is handling the energy transition, and comparing and contrasting the approach being taken on the east and west coast of Australia.

    41 Min.

  2. 17.09.2025

    98: 'Green steel is existential for Australia' with Dr. Saul Griffith

    On this episode of First Fuel we bring you a chat between Luke and Dr. Saul Griffith, co-founder of Rewiring America and Rewiring Australia, recorded last week in Perth at the Australian Institute of Energy's Energy in WA Conference. In it, Saul shares some personal reflections on the huge challenge the Trump Administration is posing for the climate action in the US. He then explains why, despite these headwinds, the economics of electrification are inexorable, and sets out the huge opportunity Australia has to harness our renewable resources to help decarbonise global supply chains and become a clean industrial powerhouse. Are you a business leading the charge on efficiency, electrification and energy flexibility? Back in our work by becoming a member today!

    29 Min.

  3. 02.07.2025

    97: Energy governance and paint sticks with Rob Murray-Leach

    On this episode of First Fuel Luke is joined by the Energy Efficiency Council's founding CEO and long-time Head of Policy, Rob Murray-Leach. Now an independent consultant, Rob was commissioned by the EEC and RACE for 2030 to produce a green paper on energy governance reform in the National Electricity Market. In a conversation coinciding with the ⁠green paper⁠'s launch for consultation, Luke and Rob discuss how Australia ended up with our current energy governance system, why it needs a revamp to meet the challenges of the energy transition, and some of the broad directions for reform set out in the green paper. A white paper with firm recommendations will be released later this year.

    45 Min.

  4. 29.05.2025

    96: 'A COP is a many-splendored thing' with Chris Bowen

    On this episode of First Fuel, Luke is joined by Australia's Minister for Energy and Climate Change, Chris Bowen. Recorded live at the EEC National Conference 2025, they discuss what hosting a global climate change conference in Adelaide in 2026 would mean for Australia, why efficiency and electrification will be a big priority in the Albanese Government's second term, and the role of the Commonwealth in providing the information households need to make decisions about investing in new gas appliances, or going electric.

    34 Min.

  5. 18.12.2024

    95: Australia's energy report card with Brendan French

    On this episode of First Fuel we're joined by Energy Consumers Australia CEO Brendan French to discuss ECA's 2024 Consumer Energy Report Card. Brendan and Luke talk about how Australians are feeling about energy in 2024, why social license is just as big an issue in the suburbs as it is in the regions, and the actions we need to take to ensure every household benefits from the transition.

    40 Min.

  6. 20.11.2024

    94: Doubling down with Josh Wilson

    On this special episode of First Fuel we catch up with Australia's Assistant Minster for Climate and Energy Josh Wilson on the ground at COP29 in Azerbaijan. Luke and Josh discuss the impact of Donald Trump's election on global climate talks, how we're tracking on the big global energy efficiency target set at COP28, and how global factors will impact Australia's emissions reduction ambition as we look towards 2035.

    25 Min.

  7. 19.09.2024

    93: Zero carbon mindset with Brad Archer

    On this episode of First Fuel we're joined by Climate Change Authority CEO Brad Archer to dig into their latest blockbuster report, the 2024 Sector Pathways Review. This a big report that digs deep into decarbonisation pathways for six key economic sectors, as well as the cross cutting actions governments will need to pursue to get us on a trajectory to net zero by 2050. Luke caught up with Brad at CCA HQ in Canberra to talk about the big take outs from the report, the implications for Australia's 2035 emissions reduction target, and what the CCA means when it talks about a 'zero carbon mindset'.

    40 Min.

  8. 18.07.2024

    92: Politics, purpose and net zero pathways with Matt Kean

    On 1 August, Matt Kean will become chair of the https://www.climatechangeauthority.gov.au/. Over a parliamentary career spanning 13 years with two state premiers, Kean has been NSW's Treasurer, Environment Minister, Innovation Minister, Energy Minister and Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party. When announcing his resignation from politics just one month ago, Kean made it clear that the next phase of his career will be in the energy transition.   In this timely episode, Luke and Matt discuss the different directions he was pulled in as an energy minister, Australia's critical behind-the-metre challenges, and what it was like to take the call from Chris Bowen pitching him his new role, while standing on a crowded train. The episode was recorded just after Kean stepped off stage at the 2024 Australian Clean Energy Summit, where he'd called on industry to "put its money where its mouth is." In a packed 30 minutes, Kean explains that challenge further, and discusses sectoral decarbonisation and how to engage different parts of the economy in deeper ways. "The energy transition is in Australia's interest, and our national interest, and we should be out there arguing the case." Connect with us: eec.org.au  Follow us on Linkedin Email us at firstfuel@eec.org.au To find out how you can listen to an upcoming episode of First Fuel live, visit podfollow.com/first-fuel/home

    32 Min.
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Hosted by Energy Efficiency Council CEO Luke Menzel, First Fuel brings you the latest perspectives on energy efficiency, energy management and demand response from Australia and around the world.

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