Public Defenseless

Hunter Parnell

Anyone paying attention can tell you that our criminal legal system perpetuates cruelty and harm, but the complexity of the legal world overwhelms most people just trying to get through another day. Public Defenseless explores the rot in the system and what we can do about it. Host and public defender Hunter Parnell talks with defense attorneys, advocates, scholars and journalists from across the country as they pull apart the system's convoluted web. Views are the host's and guests' own, not their employers'. Not legal advice.

  1. vor 2 Tagen

    536 | How Detroit Judges Tried and Failed to Punish Public Defenders Who Went on Strike w/Dan Eichinger, Megan Gokey and Joe McGuire

    On this episode, three members of the Neighborhood Defender Service (NDS) Union in Detroit join Hunter: Dan Eichinger, Megan Gokey and Joe McGuire. The last time NDS Union members came on the show, in Ep. 503, they explained why they were on strike. After winning a new, fair contract, these three detail how two judges tried, and failed, to hold them in contempt for missing court while on strike. Guests: Dan Eichinger, Staff Attorney, NDS Detroit Megan Gokey, Staff Attorney, NDS Detroit Joe McGuire, Staff Attorney, NDS Detroit Resources: Learn more about the union: https://www.instagram.com/ndsunion/  Learn more about the contempt proceedings: https://michiganadvance.com/2026/09/01/public-defenders-accuse-two-detroit-judges-of-attempting-to-break-their-strike/  https://uaw.org/statement-on-wayne-county-judges-hollow-contempt-claims-against-striking-public-defenders-by-uaw-president-shawn-fain/  Related episodes: Ep. 503, on why NDS Union members went on strike: https://www.publicdefenseless.com/episodes/503-the-nds-union-went-on-strike-update-and-they-won  Ep. 150, NDS Detroit Union members on what it takes to fix public defense in Detroit: https://www.publicdefenseless.com/episodes/150-to-fix-detroit-public-defense-there-must-be-a-fair-contract-for-the-neighborhood-defender-services-of-detroit  Ep. 78, David Carroll on public defense in Oakland County, Michigan, and New Hampshire: https://www.publicdefenseless.com/episodes/78-whats-plaguing-public-defense-in-oakland-county-michigan-and-new-hampshire  Public Defenseless Links and Contact Get each new episode a day early on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast  Search past episode transcripts: https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home  Follow and support the show, plus all our links: https://linktr.ee/pdefenselesspodcast  Website: https://www.publicdefenseless.com  Contact the show: publicdefenseless@gmail.com  DISCLAIMER:  Hunter Parnell hosts Public Defenseless in his personal capacity. The views expressed by the host and guests are their own and do not represent the Aurora Municipal Public Defender or any guest's employer. Nothing on this show is legal advice, and listening does not create an attorney-client relationship. If you are facing criminal charges, talk to a lawyer.

    536 | How Detroit Judges Tried and Failed to Punish Public Defenders Who Went on Strike w/Dan Eichinger, Megan Gokey and Joe McGuire
  2. vor 4 Tagen

    535 | What the History of Hate Speech Law Can Tell Us About the Modern Censorship Fights w/Samantha Barbas

    On this episode, Hunter spoke with law professor Samantha Barbas about her book "Hate Speech: The Legal and Cultural History of an American Dilemma." In the book, Samantha walks readers through the legal and cultural fights around hate speech. Since the early 20th century, Americans have struggled to define and combat hate speech. Through her historical dive into this controversial topic, Samantha provides key insights into modern-day fights about censorship. Guest: Samantha Barbas, Professor of Law and Aliber Family Chair, University of Iowa College of Law; Author, "Hate Speech: The Legal and Cultural History of an American Dilemma" Resources: Contact Samantha Here: https://law.uiowa.edu/people/samantha-barbas  Pick up a Copy of the Book Here: https://www.ucpress.edu/books/hate-speech/hardcover  Also on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0520401964  Public Defenseless Links and Contact Get each new episode a day early on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast      Search past episode transcripts: https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home Follow and support the show, plus all our links: https://linktr.ee/pdefenselesspodcast Website: https://www.publicdefenseless.com  Contact the show: publicdefenseless@gmail.com DISCLAIMER: Hunter Parnell hosts Public Defenseless in his personal capacity. The views expressed by the host and guests are their own and do not represent the Aurora Municipal Public Defender or any guest's employer. Nothing on this show is legal advice, and listening does not create an attorney-client relationship. If you are facing criminal charges, talk to a lawyer.

    535 | What the History of Hate Speech Law Can Tell Us About the Modern Censorship Fights w/Samantha Barbas
  3. 5. Nov.

    534 |How The Bail Project Is Fighting to Abolish Cash Bail and Free People From Pretrial Incarceration w/Erin George

    On this episode, Hunter talks with Erin George, National Director of Policy at The Bail Project. Few topics in criminal legal policy have drawn more attention in recent years than bail reform. Erin explains what drives the intense, polarizing debates around bail reform and the policy changes we can fight for to eliminate cash bail. Guest: Erin George, National Director of Policy, The Bail Project Resources: Learn more about The Bail Project: https://bailproject.org/  https://www.instagram.com/bailproject/  https://www.facebook.com/bailproject/  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-49-TzVvamru9KecPuSYKw  https://www.tiktok.com/@bailproject  https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-bail-project/  https://x.com/bailproject  Public Defenseless Links and Contact Get each new episode a day early on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast  Search past episode transcripts: https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home  Follow and support the show, plus all our links: https://linktr.ee/pdefenselesspodcast  Website: https://www.publicdefenseless.com  Contact the show: publicdefenseless@gmail.com    DISCLAIMER: Hunter Parnell hosts Public Defenseless in his personal capacity. The views expressed by the host and guests are their own and do not represent the Aurora Municipal Public Defender or any guest's employer. Nothing on this show is legal advice, and listening does not create an attorney-client relationship. If you are facing criminal charges, talk to a lawyer.

    534 |How The Bail Project Is Fighting to Abolish Cash Bail and Free People From Pretrial Incarceration w/Erin George
  4. 4. Nov.

    533 | The Former Public Defenders Trying to Expose the Truth of the Criminal Legal System to the Masses w/Eliza Orlins and Thea Johnson

    On this episode, Hunter talks with two former public defenders, Eliza Orlins and Thea Johnson, about their podcast, Criminally Online. From their years as public defenders, Eliza and Thea know the criminal legal system looks very different from the way mass media portrays it. They built Criminally Online to counter the copaganda so prevalent in mainstream media, showing people the reality of the system so that society thinks differently about it. Guests: Eliza Orlins, Co-Host, Criminally Online Thea Johnson, Co-Host, Criminally Online, and Professor of Law, Rutgers Law School Resources: Criminally Online, a Lemonada Media original series: https://link.podtrac.com/crimonline  Follow Eliza: https://www.instagram.com/eorlins/  https://elizaorlins.substack.com/  https://www.youtube.com/@eliza.orlins  https://www.tiktok.com/@elizaorlins  https://www.threads.com/@eorlins  https://x.com/elizaorlins  Follow Thea: https://www.instagram.com/theabjohnson/  https://bsky.app/profile/theabjohnson.bsky.social  https://x.com/TheaBJohnson Public Defenseless Links and Contact Get each new episode a day early on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast  Search past episode transcripts: https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home  Follow and support the show, plus all our links: https://linktr.ee/pdefenselesspodcast  Website: https://www.publicdefenseless.com  Contact the show: publicdefenseless@gmail.com    DISCLAIMER: Hunter Parnell hosts Public Defenseless in his personal capacity. The views expressed by the host and guests are their own and do not represent the Aurora Municipal Public Defender or any guest's employer. Nothing on this show is legal advice, and listening does not create an attorney-client relationship. If you are facing criminal charges, talk to a lawyer.

    533 | The Former Public Defenders Trying to Expose the Truth of the Criminal Legal System to the Masses w/Eliza Orlins and Thea Johnson
  5. 3. Nov.

    532 | How American Samoans in Whittier, Alaska, Fought a Prosecution ... and Won w/Alex Burness

    On this episode, Hunter welcomes back Alex Burness, staff writer for Bolts. Last time Alex was on the show, he shared the gut-wrenching story of a community of American Samoans living in Whittier, Alaska, facing criminal prosecution for running for local office and voting in elections. Contrary to common belief, people born in American Samoa are U.S. nationals, not citizens, so they can't vote in state or federal elections. Alex is here to discuss how that community fought the prosecutions and won. Guest: Alex Burness, Staff Writer, Bolts Resources: Read Alex's reporting: https://boltsmag.org/prosecuted-for-voting-american-samoans-alaska/  https://boltsmag.org/charges-dropped-against-american-samoans-punished-for-voting-in-alaska/  Public Defenseless Links and Contact Get each new episode a day early on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast  Search past episode transcripts: https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home  Follow and support the show, plus all our links: https://linktr.ee/pdefenselesspodcast  Website: https://www.publicdefenseless.com  Contact the show: publicdefenseless@gmail.com    DISCLAIMER: Hunter Parnell hosts Public Defenseless in his personal capacity. The views expressed by the host and guests are their own and do not represent the Aurora Municipal Public Defender or any guest's employer. Nothing on this show is legal advice, and listening does not create an attorney-client relationship. If you are facing criminal charges, talk to a lawyer.

    532 | How American Samoans in Whittier, Alaska, Fought a Prosecution ... and Won w/Alex Burness
  6. 29. Okt.

    531 | What Does the Los Angeles County Public Defender Union Think of Their New Workload Study? w/Karl Fenske

    On this episode, Hunter is joined by Karl Fenske, a long time Los Angeles County Public Defender and lead steward for Local 148. On this episode, Hunter and Karl discuss the union's take on the newest workload study of the Los Angeles Public Defender Office. Guest: Karl Fenske, Lead Steward, Los Angeles County Public Defenders Union, Local 148 and  Los Angeles County Deputy Public Defender Resource: Read the Report Here https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA5011-1.html   Learn More About the Union Here https://local148.org/ https://www.facebook.com/LApubdefunion https://x.com/LApubdefunion https://bsky.app/profile/lapubdefunion.bsky.social https://www.instagram.com/lapubdefunion   Public Defenseless Links and Contact Get each new episode a day early on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast  Search past episode transcripts: https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home  Follow and support the show, plus all our links: https://linktr.ee/pdefenselesspodcast  Website: https://www.publicdefenseless.com  Contact the show: publicdefenseless@gmail.com  DISCLAIMER:  Hunter Parnell hosts Public Defenseless in his personal capacity. The views expressed by the host and guests are their own and do not represent the Aurora Municipal Public Defender or any guest's employer. Nothing on this show is legal advice, and listening does not create an attorney-client relationship. If you are facing criminal charges, talk to a lawyer.

  7. 27. Okt.

    529 | How Does the Leadership of the Los Angeles County Public Defender Plan to Use Their New Workload Study? w/Ricardo Garcia and Traci Blackburn

    On this episode, Hunter is joined once again by Ricardo García and for the first time, Traci Blackburn. On September 10th, 2026, a new workload study of the Los Angeles Public Defender was published by RAND. Ricardo and Traci joined the show to discuss the findings of the study and how leadership plans on using the study to get more funding for the office. Guest: Ricardo García, Los Angeles County Public Defender Traci Blackburn, Assistant Public Defender, Los Angeles County Public Defender Resource: Read the Report Here https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA5011-1.html Learn More About the Office Here https://pubdef.lacounty.gov/ https://www.instagram.com/lapubdef/ https://www.facebook.com/LACOUNTYPD/ https://x.com/lapubdef https://www.linkedin.com/company/lapubdef/home/ Public Defenseless Links and Contact Get each new episode a day early on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast  Search past episode transcripts: https://app.reduct.video/o/eca54fbf9f/p/d543070e6a/share/c34e85194394723d4131/home  Follow and support the show, plus all our links: https://linktr.ee/pdefenselesspodcast  Website: https://www.publicdefenseless.com  Contact the show: publicdefenseless@gmail.com  DISCLAIMER: Hunter Parnell hosts Public Defenseless in his personal capacity. The views expressed by the host and guests are their own and do not represent the Aurora Municipal Public Defender or any guest's employer. Nothing on this show is legal advice, and listening does not create an attorney-client relationship. If you are facing criminal charges, talk to a lawyer.

    529 | How Does the Leadership of the Los Angeles County Public Defender Plan to Use Their New Workload Study? w/Ricardo Garcia and Traci Blackburn

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Anyone paying attention can tell you that our criminal legal system perpetuates cruelty and harm, but the complexity of the legal world overwhelms most people just trying to get through another day. Public Defenseless explores the rot in the system and what we can do about it. Host and public defender Hunter Parnell talks with defense attorneys, advocates, scholars and journalists from across the country as they pull apart the system's convoluted web. Views are the host's and guests' own, not their employers'. Not legal advice.

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