The Unscheduled CEO

Jonathan Courtney

Close your eyes... Now imagine The Diary Of A CEO but without the interviews, without the production value, without editing and without any topics. Imagine if the host was just sitting by himself, talking about... nothing really? What's the guy's name? Steven? Yeah, imagine him just sitting there rambling incoherently for like an hour. Thats The Unscheduled CEO!! This podcast is hosted by Jonathan Courtney, a hairy, Irish, Business Man. ENJOY! www.unscheduledceo.com

  1. vor 3 Std.

    I Hated My Company So Much I Tried To Give It Away

    This is the written version of this week's episode. As always, the podcast is the full, unedited, occasionally unhinged version — this is the good bits, organised. Listen on [Spotify / Apple / YouTube]. Hey, So this is a crazy one: Between roughly 2018 and 2022, at the exact moment AJ&Smart hit its peak revenue (around $6 million revenue, with a 47% profit margin), I wanted to give the company away. Not sell it. Give it. To anyone who’d take it. Or shut it down. I was talking to people about both options. My co-founder wanted to be bought out, and honestly, part of me wanted to be bought out too. There is a very real alternate timeline where I am not running this company today. If you’ve never owned a business, that sentence sounds insane. Peak revenue! Great margins! What’s the problem? If you have owned a business, you might already know exactly what the problem was. So let me give you the short version first, and then the whole story. The nuggets (if you only read one section, read this one) * The “held hostage in your own company” feeling is real, common, and almost nobody talks about it publicly. I now speak to founders constantly who describe the same thing: you walk into your own office and feel like you’re not wanted there. Like it’s not your company anymore. Like you’d have to ask permission to change anything. * It’s almost never a revenue problem. It’s a hiring problem. Not “hiring is bad.” Hiring badly, for years, in ways that compound. * Perks don’t buy goodwill. They buy expectations. We had a chef on Fridays, yoga twice a week, retreats, a basically unlimited tech budget. The result was not gratitude. It was “why don’t we have a chef every day?” * “Hire when you need someone” is a spending instruction. The second I removed myself from hiring and told the team to hire whenever they felt they needed to, people hired the moment they felt slightly busy. At our peak of dysfunction, we had four employees managing one small office. My friend Sam Ovens was running a $12M company with nine people and a cleaner who came once a week. * The way out was not “small team good, big team bad.” I want to be really clear on this, because it’s the lazy takeaway. Hiring is one of the only real forms of leverage a business owner has. The lesson is that there’s a right size and a right culture for you, and you probably can’t know it until you get it wrong. * If you feel this way right now: it’s fixable. But it takes years, not quarters. And almost everyone I know who took the eject seat and sold tells me the same thing today: I wish I hadn’t done it. Okay. The story. (You can also just watch the video if you don’t feel like reading) My own personal utopia (and how I wrecked it) I started AJ&Smart to build my own little utopia. A place where I could work on interesting things with people I actually wanted to be around. And for years, it was exactly that. Then it worked too well. There was so much demand for what we did that I decided to see how far we could push it, and we scaled aggressively: from a couple of people adding one or two hires a year to 36 people. My co-founder went on a six-month sabbatical and came back to a different company. I want to be honest about the responsibility here. The negative vibes that followed were mine. I built them. Here’s what daily life looked like at the “peak”: Every single day, someone knocked on my office door with an irritation. A political fight with another employee. A complaint about a perk. Someone would come in, maybe pissed off, maybe sad, or flustered, tell me something going on in their family, and ask for a raise. I was in my late twenties. I had no idea how to handle that, so I just... gave people ad hoc raises. Then they’d tell their colleagues, and the colleagues would come knock on the door. Friends hired friends. Sometimes that worked (it’s how we got Laura, who now runs Facilitator). Often it created factions. We occasionally hired someone who turned out to be, let’s say, creatively honest, or who’d just vanish for days. And the perks. My theory at the time was: maybe people are unhappy because there aren’t enough perks. So: chef, yoga, retreats, gear, very little spending oversight, because we were making so much money anyway. And every perk generated a new complaint about the perk. The yoga time doesn’t suit me. Why only Fridays for the chef? We hired coaches who told us we needed systems: weekly check-ins, quarterly career talks, one-on-ones. We did all of it. Then we ran the anonymous employee survey and the results were worse than the year before. I walked into my own office feeling like the least welcome person in the building. Around that time I had coffee with the CEO of a much bigger Berlin company and asked her how it felt when she walked into her office. She said: “I feel like nobody wants me there.” She got out. Derek Sivers, one of my favorite people on the planet, got out too, and was so wrecked by the whole thing he seriously looked into legally changing his name and moving to another country to disappear. That’s the club I was about to join. The accidental control group I got so irritated with the agency side of the business that I did something that, in hindsight, saved everything: I started a completely separate team, in a separate office, and kept it hermetically sealed from the mess. It was called AJ&Smart Digital Experiments (AJSDX), then Workshopper, and today it’s Facilitator. And that little team felt... light. Positive. Fun. Everyone who works at AJ&Smart today (except Kyle, our bookkeeper who’s been here since day 1) came from that team. That’s what finally showed me the truth. It wasn’t “companies are miserable.” It wasn’t “I’m not built for this.” The original culture was rotted, and I had rotted it. Given a clean start and everything I’d learned, I could build something completely different. I tried the other classic escape hatch too, by the way: hire a CEO, move yourself to the board. What actually happens is you lose even more control and hate it even more. And a dark little secret nobody tells you: when you put people in positions of power in your business and step away, some of them will try to take it from you. “Give us the business or we take the clients” is a conversation more founders have had than will ever admit publicly. They might even try to force you to sell them equity “or else”. I’ve seen it all. The reset I’m slow and cautious by nature, so I waited for a signal. The signal arrived: one part of the business lost about €1.2 million in a single year. Either I go in and fix it, or I take it as the universe telling me the board-member experiment is over. I came back as CEO properly. And over the following years we went from 28-ish people (post-Covid) down to around six people today. Three office spaces down to one. There was a chaotic co-founder buyout in the middle of it, and a new baby at home, and honestly the whole 2018 to 2022 stretch felt like a nonstop beating. I only feel like I’ve recovered the excitement in the last two years. You can literally watch the moment it turned, in the relaunch video that’s still on the AJ&Smart homepage. Which, btw I recorded about a week after having a MASSIVE panic attack on a work And here’s the thing: today, the vibe is genuinely amazing. I love everyone on this team, we spend time together as actual friends, and the people who leave mostly leave to start their own companies. Some of the people who found me most annoying back in the bad years have contacted me since, after hiring their own first employees, to say: I get it now. I’m sorry. That pressure is invisible until you’ve carried it. What we do differently now (the honest handbook) The biggest single change is that we stopped lying. To candidates, to employees, and to ourselves, about what kind of company this is. We now have an employee handbook (heavily inspired by, and in places directly stolen from, the Valve, Basecamp, and Panic handbooks. It says so in the handbook) whose entire job is to describe the company as it actually is, not as we wish it were. It includes lines like: “Internal information dissemination is not our strong point at AJ&Smart, and it never will be. The only way to find out what’s going on is to be proactive about it.” And an entire section called “What is AJ&Smart not good at?”: onboarding new people, formal career development, making remote people feel fully included, hiring anyone who needs traditional structure. Founders read this and say “are you serious?” Yes. Because the years of misery came from hiring people with a pitch for a company that didn’t exist, then drowning in the gap between the pitch and reality. The honest handbook filters before the first day. Nobody arrives disappointed by the DNA, because we showed them the DNA up front. I’ll share pieces of the handbook in an upcoming Thursday article. If you’re subscribed, it’ll land in your inbox. If you’re in it right now If you’re reading this and you feel held hostage inside your own business, even if it’s just you and three other people, I want to give you the version of this I wish someone had given me: You are not obligated to keep running the company you accidentally built. And you don’t have to quit to escape it. There’s a third option, which is slower and harder and better: reset it, deliberately, into the company you’d actually want to walk into. It cost me years. It was worth every one of them. And before you sell: talk to people who sold. Almost every single one tells me the same thing. The money’s nice. Having something you love doing is nicer. Cheers, Jonathan P.S. This week’s episode has the full, rambling, unedited version of this story, including several tangents I’ve mercifully spared you here. If you know a business owner who needs to hear it, send it to t

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  2. 23. Juni

    Selling Was Hard Until I Understood This Concept

    Guys… i’m BOILING over here. It’s the second heat wave of the summer here in Germany, 36°C in a country where almost nothing has air conditioning, so this is a short episode. But it’s a good one! Last week I talked about the ideal business model for a consultant. This week I want to talk about a concept that changed how I sell. For years I made selling harder than it needed to be, and then I understood one thing that made everything click. It’s a little unfair advantage hack that I rarely hear anyone mention. I use it all the time, and when it’s used on me, it makes me more likely to buy. Btw last week’s episode looks like it’'ll be the first “non guest episode” to hit 10K listens, wohoo! Anyway… sales… It comes down to two things: speed and convenience. The thing I didn’t get I’m on both sides of this all day. As a CEO I’m constantly buying services. As the CEO of an agency I’m constantly selling them. And the thing that actually decides whether I hire someone is almost never that they were the best. It’s that they made it easy to start while I was still excited. In January I was looking for help with the SEO of facilitator.com. I ended up on one call with one company. Not because they were the best, I didn’t do any research. Because they were the first to reach out and they could jump on a call straight away. Then they said they’d go away and make a proposal. By the time they came back, I’d figured out how to do it myself. They didn’t get the job. Momentum is the whole game Here’s the truth about CEOs. If you give them too much time to think, they’ve already moved on. The SEO thing was exciting to me for about a week. Then I was done. So when someone gets on a call with me at AJ&Smart, it’s never about a big proposal. It’s about the soonest possible starting point. Someone wants help with a funnel, I don’t say I’ll prepare a proposal and we’ll have another call. I say: when can we start? This thing starts with a two-day kickoff, and at the end you might not even need us. No retainer to decide, no contract to sign. We just start. That gives the other person the feeling that this can start now. Because I know they’ve got a million things going on. Right now this is a high priority. In two weeks it’s nothing. Be the Michelin chef A friend started a business this week and had a deal slipping. I told him: if you lose it, it won’t be the price or the service. It’ll be that the other CEO lost momentum. We’re so used to doing everything ourselves that if it takes you too long, we’ll just say f**k it and do it ourselves. Too many of you get on a call, list everything you can do, then go away to make a proposal, then come back, then make the client choose a package. You’re handing the client the job of figuring out what they want from you. You’re the service provider. Be the Michelin chef. Say: this is what I think you need, let’s just start here and see where we get to. Stop giving people homework A CEO asks me, “Do you know someone for SEO?” I say yes. Two weeks later: “Oh, they sent me a proposal, I haven’t looked at it yet.” That person gave them homework. A lot of entrepreneurial people have that now-or-never thing, and a long proposal is a task they’ll never get to. The best proposal anyone ever did for me closed a 100K deal in a Google doc, live, on the call. By the time we hung up, that was the deal. We started, I flew out, the paperwork happened in the background, and neither of us cared because we’d already begun. Stay disconnected from the money The move is to say: I’m excited, I can do this, let’s start. This is roughly my price. If it works out, my finance person will sort the contract. I want the client talking about the project and the dates, not the contract. If you’re a one-person show, your partner or a family member handles that part so you can stay on full speed. And talk the price on the call. No jump scare in an email three days later. “Ballpark, around 15 to 20.” If you can’t say that on the fly, get better at running your business. That’s the concept. Speed and convenience. Once I understood it, selling stopped being the hard part. You don’t need a better script or better marketing. You need to stop making it a job for people to say yes to you. Cheers, Jonathan This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.unscheduledceo.com

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  3. 16. Juni

    If I Knew This At 20 I'd Have Retired By 30

    Hey, this week I want to try something a little different with the pod: i’m adding an enhanced summary of the “main takeaway” of the episode for those of you who prefer to just get to the good stuff and skip the rest. Of course I still think you should listen to the full episode to get the context, or at least put it on in the background while you scan through this. But whatever way you like to consume my content, enjoy! So! Here it is: The problem I had Most consultants sell exactly one thing, and it happens to be the most expensive, hardest-to-buy thing on the menu. It’s the lowest leverage thing too, meaning you have to put in a lot of time to get paid to do this… which takes away from being able to actually run your business. For me it was selling design work to clients. Meaning the more design work I did, the more I would get paid. It was a 1:1 relationship with time and money. Around 6 years in to my design career I learned that there was a completely differently way to approach running an agency, a completely different set of business models that I had no idea about… and honestly I wish I had known about them from the start because GODDAMN they changed everything for me. Let me show you the other things you could be selling. The three rungs Every consulting business can be split into three offers. Done For You. You do the work. The client pays top dollar and gets your hands on their problem. This is where almost every consultant lives, and most of them never leave. Done With You. You don’t do the work. You teach their team to do it. Workshops, training, group coaching. Cheaper for the client, way more leveraged for you. Do It Yourself. Courses, books, content. The client never interacts with you at all. Cheapest rung, fully scalable. When AJ&Smart was a UX agency, Done For You was us running design sprints for clients. Done With You was teaching their teams to run sprints themselves. Do It Yourself became the Design Sprint Masterclass. The part nobody expects Done With You ended up being the most lucrative tier for us. Here’s why. You train ten people at a company. Another team hears about it and wants the same thing. Then another. The training spreads inside the company in a way a one-off project never does. And the rungs feed each other: trainings generate sprint requests, sprints generate training requests. There’s also a second thing that happens once you have three rungs instead of one. On a huge number of our sales calls, when the price for the top tier is too high, we don’t lose the client. We move them down a rung. If you only sell Done For You, every call is all-or-nothing. With three rungs, “no” to one offer is “maybe” to another. “But my work is too custom to teach” I said this exact sentence for years. I was certain there was no Done With You version of UX design. Too subjective, too dependent on me being in the room. I was wrong, and if you’re thinking it right now, so are you. The goal is not to turn the client’s team into you. It’s to find one fragment of what you do that can be taught. Maybe it’s just how you run a kickoff. Maybe it’s one part of your process. That fragment is a product. And if you’re experienced, there’s a move most consultants never consider. You don’t only have to sell to clients. You can sell to you, ten years ago. There are people who would do anything to be where you are now, and teaching them is a whole second business. That’s where Facilitator.com came from. Stop selling your time The last piece. Once you have your rungs, price them as packages, not hours. No day rates, no itemized lists of what’s included. The moment you itemize, you invite people to negotiate you down line by line. A rule of thumb I picked up that’s stuck with me: one month in your group program should cost about the same as one hour alone with you. That gap is what makes the cheaper rungs feel like a deal and the expensive rung feel exclusive. Do this this week * Write your three rungs. One sentence each: what’s your Done For You, what could your Done With You be, what could your Do It Yourself be? Don’t build anything yet. Just name them. * Find the teachable fragment. Ask yourself what you do that feels boringly easy to you but looks like magic to clients. That’s your Done With You seed. * Add a down-sell to your next sales call. When someone balks at the price, instead of “no problem, bye,” try: “There’s another way to work with me. I can teach your team to do this themselves.” * Price by the rung. Top expensive, bottom cheap, and stop itemizing. You don’t have to build a course this month. You just have to stop being a business with one product, where that product is the single hardest thing on the menu to say yes to. Cheers, Jonathan P.S. The book that flipped this switch for me on packaging and pricing is Built to Sell by John Warrillow. It’s a short read. Worth doing this week. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.unscheduledceo.com

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Close your eyes... Now imagine The Diary Of A CEO but without the interviews, without the production value, without editing and without any topics. Imagine if the host was just sitting by himself, talking about... nothing really? What's the guy's name? Steven? Yeah, imagine him just sitting there rambling incoherently for like an hour. Thats The Unscheduled CEO!! This podcast is hosted by Jonathan Courtney, a hairy, Irish, Business Man. ENJOY! www.unscheduledceo.com

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