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Megan and Thomas are two middle-aged, self-identified queer people. In each episode, they delve into historical events and people who are part of queer history, as well as take a look at aging in the LGBTQIA+ community

  1. 4. Juli

    Episode 9: General von Steuben and the American Revolution

    In this special Fourth of the July episode, Thomas tells us about the larger than life character of General Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben, who was a key figure in the American War of Independence. The questions are: was he queer, and what kind of evidence should we demand? Thomas takes us through the available evidence, and talks about the double standards in historical research when it comes to queerness. Check us out across the web! website pixelfed bsky insta patreon Content Warning: This episode discusses accusations of pedophilia. Sources: Anon. “Steuben Whitewash of Hitler Stirs Anger of Jewish Members.” Jewish Daily Bulletin. 12.12.1934. Anon. “LGBT History Month: Baron Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben: Gen. Washington’s ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Case.” Philadelphia Gay News. Online Edition. 25.10.2012. Ausness, Richard C. “Planned Parenthood: Adult Adoption and the Right of Adoptees to Inherit.” ACTEC Law Journal 41, nr. 2 (2015): 241-305. Benemann, William. Male-Male Intimacy in Early America:Beyond Romantic Friendship. New York: Taylor and Francis, 2014. (First edition published by Harrington Park Press in 2006). Delaney, Anthony. Queer Georgians. A Hidden History of Lovers, Lawbreakers and Homemakers. London: Penguin Books, 2026. Gates, Gary J. and Jody L. Herman. “Transgender MilitaryService in the United States.” Report. The Williams Institute, 2014. Gereben Schaefer, Agnes, Radha Iyengar, Srikanth Kadiyala,Jennifer Kavanagh, Charles C. Engel, Kayla M. Williams, and Amil M. Kress. Assessing the Implications of Allowing Transgender Personnel to Serve Openly. Santa Monica: RAND Corporation, 2016. (Study commissioned by the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness.) Grissom, Andrew. “Transgender Individuals and MilitaryService Bibliography.” Finding aid. The American Library Association, 2019. Kapp, Freidrich. The Life of Frederick William VonSteuben, Major General in the Revolutionary Army. New York: Mason Brothers, 1859. (Second edition). Lockhart, Paul.  The Drillmaster of Valley Forge. The Baron de Steuben and the Making of the American Army. New York: Harper Perennial, 2010. Pritchett, Morgan H. and Edith Von Zemenszky. “The ThreeWills of Baron von Steuben.” The Report. A Journal of German-American History 35 (1972): 19-26. Quinn, Michael. Same-Sex Dynamics among Nineteenth-Century Americans: A Mormon Example. Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1966. Trujillo, Josh and Levi Hastings (Illustrator), Washington’sGay General. The Legends and Loves of Baron von Steuben. New York: Abrams Books, 2023. Tulchin, Allan A. “Same-Sex Couples Creating Households inOld Regime France: The Uses of the Affrerement.” The Journal of Modern History 79, nr. 3 (2007): 613-647. von Steuben, Frederich to William North. 23.2.1780.Transcribed in Kapp, Freidrich. The Life of Frederick William Von Steuben, Major General in the Revolutionary Army. New York: Mason Brothers, 1859. (Second edition), pp. 616-617. von Steuben, Friedrich to William North. 27.10.1786. HamiltonCollege Library, Digital Collections, Baron Friedrich von Steuben Collection. von Steuben, Friedrich to William North. 18.9.1788. TheGilder Lehrman Institue of American History. Correspondence of the North Family. Inv. nr. GLC02542.12. von Steuben, Friedrich to William North. 10.10.1788.Hamilton College Library, Digital Collections, Baron Friedrich von Steuben Collection. von Steuben, Friedrich to William North. 14.4.1789. HamiltonCollege Library, Digital Collections, Baron Friedrich von Steuben Collection. LEGAL NO THESE OLD QUEERS CONTENT MAY BE USED FOR TRAINING, TESTING, OR DEVELOPING MACHINE LEARNING OR AI SYSTEMS WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION - TO SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE OF ASKING: WE WON'T GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY.

    Episode 9: General von Steuben and the American Revolution

  2. 23. Juni

    Episode 8: Interview with Michael Rashid - Development Manager of the Gerber/Hart Library and Archives

    In the last episode, Megan shared the lives of Pearl M. Hart and Henry Gerber - two pioneers of queer rights in the US, both with local ties to Chicago, Illinois. Now, in their very*first*interview, Megan and Thomas meet up with Michael Rashid, the Development Manager for the Gerber/Hart Library and Archives as it celebrates its 45th year to learn about the Midwest's largest circulating library of LGBTQIA2S+ titles, and one of the largest archives of its kind. In this episode, we'll hear all about some of the fascinating lives chronicled in the many boxes of the archive, intergenerational community building, the necessity for BIPOC voices, the importance of preserving physical copy, their amazing podcast, what it means to be a non-governmentally funded queer library and archive under the current political regime and that, as Michael says, "everybody's life is worth remembering." Follow Gerber/Hart Library & Archives: website Facebook Instagram Youtube Unboxing Queer History Check us out across the web! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠pixelfed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠insta⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon LEGAL NO THESE OLD QUEERS CONTENT MAY BE USED FOR TRAINING, TESTING, OR DEVELOPING MACHINE LEARNING OR AI SYSTEMS WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION - TO SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE OF ASKING: WE WON'T GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY.

    Episode 8: Interview with Michael Rashid - Development Manager of the Gerber/Hart Library and Archives

  3. 26. Mai

    Episode 7: Henry Gerber & Pearl M. Hart

    In this episode, Megan shares the stories of Henry Gerber and Pearl M. Hart - two queer Chicagoans from immigrant, working class backgrounds whose work shaped not just queer rights in the Midwest, but throughout the country. also mentioned, "seances and other strange behavior"... Check us out across the web! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠pixelfed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠insta⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon Sources: “Chicago Gay and Lesbian Hall of Fame”. Glhalloffame.org. Archived from the original on 24 September 2015. Retrieved 28 October 2015. “Pearl M. Hart: Defender of the Oppressed and Vulnerable”. Chicagohistory.org. 24 Jun 2020. https://www.chicagohistory.org/pearl-m-hart/ Riemer, Matthew; Brown, Leighton (2019). We Are Everywhere: Protest, Power, and Pride in the History of Queer Liberation. Berkeley: Ten Speed Press. Rupp, Leila (2011). “The Persistence of Transnational Organizing: The Case of the Homophile Movement.”The American Historical Review 116:4 (Oct.2011): 1014-1039 Sendziak, Karen C. “Pearl M. Hart.” In Before Stonewall: Activists for Gay and Lesbian Rights in Historical Context. Edited by Vern L. Bullough. New York: Haworth, 2002. Sienna, Noam. “Pearl Hart.” jwa.org. https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/hart-pearl. 23 June 2021. Stein, Marc (2012). Rethinking the Gay and Lesbian Movement. Routledge. Holly Frey and Tracy V. Wilson. “Henry Gerber”. Stuff You Missed in History Class podcast. 29.6.2024. LEGAL NO THESE OLD QUEERS CONTENT MAY BE USED FOR TRAINING, TESTING, OR DEVELOPING MACHINE LEARNING OR AI SYSTEMS WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION - TO SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE OF ASKING: WE WON'T GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY.

    Episode 7: Henry Gerber & Pearl M. Hart

  4. 13. Mai

    Episode 6: Gender Bending in Ancient Rome: The Special Case of Elagabalus

    In the second of this two-part special on Ancient Rome, Thomas takes us through the current state of research on gender bending in the Ancient Roman world. We then quickly dive into the controversial case of the young Emperor Elagabalus. What do the primary sources actually say, and what might they actually tell us about Roman attitudes towards gender boundaries and boundary crossers? Check us out across the web! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠pixelfed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠insta⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon Content Warning: This episode mentions castration and human sacrifice. Sources: Addley, Esther. “Was Roman Emperor Elagabalus Really Trans – and Does it Really Matter?” The Guardian, 24.11.2023. Anon. The Scriptores Historiae Augustae Historia. Susan H. Ballou and Hermann Peter, eds. David Magie, trans. London/New York: William Heinemann/G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1921-1932.(Loeb Classical Library edition.) Available here. Beard, Mary. “Imperial Transgressions: Satire and Subversion in the Life of Elagabalus.” Second Sather Lecture. University of California, Berkeley. 27.2.2021. Available on YouTube. Cassius Dio. Dio’s Roman History. Earnest Cary, trans. London/New York: William Heinemann/The MacMillan Co., 1914-1927. (Loeb Classical Library edition.) Available here. Gibbon, Edward. The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.London: Frederick Warne and Co., 1893, 4 vols. (Orig. published 1776-1789.) Herodian. Herodian of Antioch’s History of the Roman Empire. Edward C. Echols, trans. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1961. Available here. Icks, Martijn. The Crimes of Elagabalus. The Life and Legacy of Rome’s Decadent Boy Empereor. London: Bloomsbury, 2011. Icks, Martijn. “Cross-dressers in Control: Transvestism, Power and the Balance between the Sexes in the Literary Discourse of the Roman Empire,” in Domitilla Campanile, Filippo Carlà-Uhink, and Margherita Facella (eds.), Trans Antiquity: Cross-Dressing and Transgender Dynamics in the Ancient World (New York: Routledge, 2017), 65-82. Available here. Icks, Martijn. “Empire of the Sun? Civic Responses to the Rise and Fall of Sol Elagabal in the Roman Empire.” In O. Hekster, Sebastian Schmidt-Hofner, and Christian Witschel (eds.), Ritual Dynamics and Religious Change in the Roman Empire (Leiden: Brill, 2009), 111-20. Osgod, Josh. “Casius Dio’s Secret History of Elagabalus.” In: Carsten Hjort Lange and Jesper Majborn Madsen (eds.), Cassius Dio: Greek Intellectual and Roman Politician (Leiden: Brill, 2016), 177-90. Rantala, Jussi. “Ruling in Purple ... and Wearing Make-up: Gendered Adventures of Emperor Elagabalus as Seen by Cassius Dio and Herodian.” In Allison Surtees and Jennifer Dyer (eds.), Exploring Gender Diversity in the Ancient World (Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press, 2020), 118-28. Williams, Craig. Roman Homosexuality: Ideologies of Masculinity in Classical Antiquity. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2010. (Expanded and updated edition. Orig. published 1999). LEGAL NO THESE OLD QUEERS CONTENT MAY BE USED FOR TRAINING, TESTING, OR DEVELOPING MACHINE LEARNING OR AI SYSTEMS WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION - TO SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE OF ASKING: WE WON'T GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY.

    Episode 6: Gender Bending in Ancient Rome: The Special Case of Elagabalus

  5. 30. Apr.

    Episode 5: "Homosexuality” in Ancient Rome: The Special Case of Hadrian and Antinous

    In the first of this two-part episode, Thomas takes us through how “homosexuality” – or rather, same sex erotic experiences – were conceptualized in the weird world of Ancient Rome. We then discuss the particular case of the relationship between the Emperor Hadrian and his purported lover, Antinous. What do the primary sources actually say, what is implied, and what might it mean to us now? Content Warning This episode includes discussion of sexual violence and pederasty, and mentions pedophilia.   Check us out across the web! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠pixelfed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠insta⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon Sources: Anon. The Scriptores Historiae Augustae Historia. Susan H. Ballou and Hermann Peter, eds. David Magie, trans. London/New York: William Heinemann/G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1921-1932. (Loeb Classical Library edition.) Available here. Beard, Mary. “Misleading Lives: The Perils of Ancient Biography.” Annual Leon Levy Biography Lecture. 11.3.20205. CUNY Graduate Center. Available on YouTube. Campman, Lotte. “Greek Love and Love for All Things Greek: Gay subtext and Greek Intertext in Works by Oscar Wilde.” (Unpublished MA Thesis, Utrecht University, 2015.) Cassius Dio. Dio’s Roman History. Earnest Cary, trans. London New York: William Heinemann/The MacMillan Co., 1914-1927. (Loeb Classical Library edition.) Available here. Lambert, Royston. Beloved and God: The Story of Hadrian and Antinous. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1984. Levin Richardson, Sarah and Deborah Kamen. “Revisiting Roman Sexuality: Agency and the Conceptualization of Penetrated Males,” in Sex in Antiquity: Exploring Gender and Sexuality in the Ancient World, M. Masterson, N. Rabinowitz, and J. Robson (eds.), (New York: Routledge, 2015), 449–60. Waters, Sarah. “The Most Famous Fairy in History: Antinous and Homosexual Fantasy,” Journal of the History of Sexuality 6, nr. 2 (1995): 194 -230. Williams, Craig. Roman Homosexuality: Ideologies of Masculinity in Classical Antiquity. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2010. (Expanded and updated edition. Orig. published 1999). LEGAL NO THESE OLD QUEERS CONTENT MAY BE USED FOR TRAINING, TESTING, OR DEVELOPING MACHINE LEARNING OR AI SYSTEMS WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION - TO SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE OF ASKING: WE WON'T GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY.

    Episode 5: "Homosexuality” in Ancient Rome: The Special Case of Hadrian and Antinous

  6. 25. März

    Episode 4: The Life and Times of Anita Berber

    Megan takes us on a ride through the life of Anita Berber: Weimar Germany's Priestess of Depravity. Dancer and legendary bisexual bad girl, Anita was the first true star of her era and her short life was shocking even for hedonistic Berlin of the 1920s. Content Warning: MAJOR warning for underage grooming, inappropriate adult/child relationships, animal mistreatment, drug use, violence. Please take care while listening. Check us out across the web! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠pixelfed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠insta⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon Sources: Appignanesi, Lisa. The Cabaret. London: Yale University Press. 2004 Lauren Butterworth and Alicia Carter. "Anita Berber" Deviant Women podcast.19.9.2019. Gordon, Mel. The Seven Addictions and Five Professions of Anita Berber: Weimar Berlin's Priestess of Depravity. Port Townsend, Washington: Feral House. 2006 Gordon, Mel. Voluptuous Panic: The Erotic World of Weimar Berlin. Port Townsend Washington: Feral House. 2000 Willett, John. The Weimar Years: A Culture Cut Short. New York City: Abbeville PR. 1984 LEGAL NO THESE OLD QUEERS CONTENT MAY BE USED FOR TRAINING, TESTING, OR DEVELOPING MACHINE LEARNING OR AI SYSTEMS WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION - TO SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE OF ASKING: WE WON'T GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY.

    Episode 4: The Life and Times of Anita Berber

  7. 25. Feb.

    Episode 3: Gladys Bentley

    In this episode, Thomas tells us about the life of Black, lesbian blues singer, pianist and entertainer: Gladys Bentley. A star of the Harlem Renaissance of the 1920s and 1930s, Bentley seemed in every way someone living their life on their terms. Until, that is, her star power began to dim and Bentley began to doubt her identity. Content Warning:This episode contains discussion of medical abuse and fatphobia. Listeners are strongly encouraged to consider to exercise caution.  Check us out across the web! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠pixelfed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠insta⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon⁠ Sources: Bentley, Gladys. "I am a Woman Again." Ebony Magazine, August of 1952, pp. 93-98. Available courtesy of Queer Music Heritage, at https://www.queermusicheritage.com. Bentley, Gladys. "Worried Blues/Ground Hog Blues." Lyrics attributed to Bentley, Bentley/J.C. Johnson on piano. Okeh Records,1928. Available courtesy of NYFOS: New York Festival of Song, at https://nyfos.org.  Delaney, Anthony and Maddy Pelling."Who was the 'Man-Monster' of New York?" After Dark Classics from the After Dark: Myths, Misdeeds and the Paranormal  podcast. 29.12.2025. Hurwitt, Elliott. "Gladys Bentley: Worried Blues." Song of Day blog post. NYFOS: New York Festival of Song. Originally published on 26.10.2015. Available at https://nyfos.org.  Jones, Regina. "How does a Bulldagger Get Out of the Footnote? Or Gladys Bentley's Blues." Ninepatch: A Creative Journal for Women and Gender Studies 1, nr. 1 (2012). Torres, Bianki. Lay it on the Line: The Life and Music of Gladys Bentley. (PhD dissertation, University of Massachusetts, 2024.) Available via https://scholarworks.umass.edu. Wilson, James. Bulldaggers, Pansies, and Chocolate Babies. Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 2010. LEGAL NO THESE OLD QUEERS CONTENT MAY BE USED FOR TRAINING, TESTING, OR DEVELOPING MACHINE LEARNING OR AI SYSTEMS WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION - TO SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE OF ASKING: WE WON'T GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY.

    Episode 3: Gladys Bentley

  8. 17. Feb.

    Episode 2: Fanny and Stella Part 2

    In this second part of our two part story about the lives of AMAB femmes, Fanny and Stella, we dive into the trial that shocked Victorian England, its outcome, and what became of the bold Stella and Fanny in the remainder of their lives. Check us out across the web! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠pixelfed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠bsky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠insta⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon Sources: Boyd, Jason. Who’s Who in Gay and Lesbian History: From Antiquity to World War II. London: Psychology Press. 2002 McKenna, Neil. Fanny and Stella: The Young Men Who Shocked Victorian England. London: Faber & Faber. 2014 Joyce, Simon. “Two Women Walk into a Theatre Bathroom: The Fanny and Stella Trials as Trans Narrative”. Victorian Review. 44, nr. 1 (2018): 83-98. Kaplan, Morris. “Who’s Afraid of John Saul?: Urban Culture and the Politics of Desire in Late Victorian London”. GLQ: A Journal of Lesbian and Gay Studies. 5, nr. 3 (1999): 267-314 Rowbotham, Judith. “A Deception on the Public: The Real Scandal of Boulton and Park”. Liverpool Law Review. 36, nr. 2 (27 March 2015): 123-145 LEGAL NO THESE OLD QUEERS CONTENT MAY BE USED FOR TRAINING, TESTING, OR DEVELOPING MACHINE LEARNING OR AI SYSTEMS WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION - TO SAVE YOU THE TROUBLE OF ASKING: WE WON'T GIVE IT TO YOU ANYWAY.

    Episode 2: Fanny and Stella Part 2
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Megan and Thomas are two middle-aged, self-identified queer people. In each episode, they delve into historical events and people who are part of queer history, as well as take a look at aging in the LGBTQIA+ community

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