TransNormal Podcast

Laura T and Jo Ellis
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A transgender movement for the integration minded. A common sense approach. Not Left, not Right, but reasonable. Centrist minded folks that want to assimilate as best as they can and enjoy rights and privileges non-trans people enjoy. An adult conversation that advances a pragmatic outcome-focused approach to trans advocacy. We need to address issues like self ID, sports, healthcare for children, public bathrooms, etc. All or nothing approaches to these issues is the problem. WHY? Radical trans activism hurts everyday trans people. We can't have a nuanced discussion about trans topics or make

  1. Doctor & Parent: What It’s Really Like Navigating Gender Care on Both Sides in Rural America - EP14

    16.10.2025

    Doctor & Parent: What It’s Really Like Navigating Gender Care on Both Sides in Rural America - EP14

    In this heartfelt and eye-opening episode of Trans Normal, Jo Ellis and co-host Dr. Laura Targownik talk with a rural family doctor who’s spent nearly a decade providing full-spectrum medical care — including gender-affirming treatment — to patients in small-town America.What makes this conversation especially powerful is her dual perspective: she’s not only a physician who’s helped trans patients navigate the system — she’s also the parent of a trans child. That personal journey challenged how she sees medicine, parenting, and what it really means to affirm someone’s identity.Together, the three explore:What gender-affirming care actually looks like inside real clinics — not political talking pointsThe shifting legal landscape that’s restricting care in many statesThe emotional and ethical challenges of balancing caution with compassionThe difference between prescribing hormones for a patient and supporting your own child through transitionWhy “shared decision-making” and informed consent matter more than everHow empathy, science, and parenting instincts can coexist — even when politics say otherwiseThis episode goes far beyond headlines — it’s about humanity, trust, and what it means to do the right thing when both your patient and your child are counting on you.Due to the increasing risk to doctors who provide GAC and parents of trans children, we took extra steps to protect our guest's identity.🎧 Hosted by: Jo Ellis & Dr. Laura Targownik 👤 Guest: Family physician and parent of a trans child in rural U.S. 📍 Topics: Trans healthcare, parenting, puberty blockers, informed consent, medical ethics, rural medicine, compassion in practice

    1 Std. 34 Min.
  2. Dr. Kinnon Ross McKinnon and the many faces of detransition

    30.09.2025

    Dr. Kinnon Ross McKinnon and the many faces of detransition

    Dr. Kinnon Ross McKinnon, Assistant Professor of Social Work at York University, is one of the world's foremost academic voices on the science of detransition. This year, his research team published the results of the largest study of self-declared detransitioners, with nearly 1000 people who had embarked on a gender transition, and then thought otherwise.In this conversation, Dr. McKinnon sits down with Transnormal host Dr. Laura Targownik talk about how his research shifts the narrative about detransition; despite how it is portrayed in the popular media, every detransition story in unique; while regret is not universal, it is common, and is not always a result of people feeling they made an incorrect decision at the time. We cover the groundbreaking DARE study and the following:Why detransition happens (regret, stigma, discrimination, fluid identity) The four types of detransition experiences revealed in the study How media and politics often distort these stories What the future of gender-affirming care should look like This is a rare, nuanced look at detransition—beyond the headlines, beyond the culture wars. #detrans #trans #regret #gender

    1 Std. 17 Min.

  3. 21.09.2025

    Panel Discussion on The Discourse on Pediatric Gender Affirming Care

    In this special episode, Dr. Laura Targownik (co-host of the TransNormal Podcast) sits down with adolescent psychiatrist Dr. Tyler Black, chronic disease epidemiologist Dr. Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz, and newspaper columnist Mr. Adam Zivo to discuss the science and politics of pediatric gender affirming care, with specific attention to the controversy surrounding the recently published McMaster University systematic reviews and the subsequent political fallout

    1 Std. 23 Min.

  4. 17.09.2025

    An Interview with Dr. Gord Guyatt

    Dr. Gordon Guyatt is one of the original architects of Evidence Based Medicine, the framework that clinicians use to determine how we know whether a medical treatment actually works for a disease. But in the last month, he has become more widely known as the researcher who decided to go all-in on supporting gender affirming care for adolescents and young adults, despite being a lead author on a study showing that there was no clear benefit of this therapy over the potential harmsIn this interview, we discuss how he came to this position, his distancing of his research from the Society of Evidence Based Gender Medicine who sponsored it, and on the challenges of being a dispassionate scientist while also being an advocate.

    1 Std. 22 Min.
  5. Trans Women In Sports: Can it be inclusive and fair?

    04.09.2025

    Trans Women In Sports: Can it be inclusive and fair?

    In this episode, hosts Jo & Laura sit down with sports journalist and athlete Karleigh Webb to tackle one of the most heated debates of our time: trans inclusion in women’s sports.From hormone rules and puberty advantages to team culture and fairness, the discussion goes deep into what it really means to compete, belong, and create space for everyone. Karleigh shares her firsthand experience as a women’s tackle football player and journalist covering LGBTQ sports, while Jo and Laura raise tough questions about fairness, safety, and storytelling.This is a candid, respectful conversation about inclusion, competition, and the future of women’s athletics. Whether you’re for, against, or just trying to understand, this episode gives you a rare chance to hear all sides of the debate in one place. About our guest: Karleigh Chardonnay Webb. Karleigh is a sports journalist/producer with 30 years in the game. She is currently a writer-contributor to the LGBTQ sports site Outsports.com and the sports producer for the Transpositions, a weekly trans-centered news magazine on YouTube. When she not being a journalist she a training coordinator for Trans Lifeline and she's a competitive athlete in running, cycling, triathlon and for last three season tackle football.In football she is a member of the Connecticut Ambush of the Women's Football Alliance as was a league All-American selection in 2024.

    1 Std. 59 Min.
  6. Transitioned as a Teen - Thriving as an Adult: A positive example from the UK

    14.08.2025

    Transitioned as a Teen - Thriving as an Adult: A positive example from the UK

    In this episode, we dive into two powerful stories shaping today’s trans discourse. First, a raw look at new U.S. military policies forcing out transgender service members, canceling promised early retirements, and adding discharge codes that could harm future careers. Then, we break down groundbreaking research from Dr. Keenan McKinnon on why people detransition, revealing a far more complex picture than the headlines suggest.Finally, we sit down with Theresa (@theresaverity), a UK woman who transitioned as a teen in the early 2000s through the now-closed Tavistock clinic. She shares her childhood experiences, the moment she realized transition was possible, and how it’s shaped her happy adult life—offering a rare success story in a debate too often dominated by regret narratives.This episode blends policy, data, and deeply personal stories to highlight the need for compassion, nuance, and evidence in conversations about trans lives.

    2 Std. 30 Min.
  7. Dr. Beth Upton and Kill Tony updates

    10.08.2025

    Dr. Beth Upton and Kill Tony updates

    We originally recorded this episode with a guest, but then had an audio issue. We attempted to re-record, but the guest was a no-show... so here's a quick up date from us regarding Jo's Kill Tony appearance and Laura's heartfelt concern for the situation surrounding Dr. Beth Upton.

    30 Min.
  8. Insights from a Suicidologist and Emergency Psychiatrist

    08.07.2025

    Insights from a Suicidologist and Emergency Psychiatrist

    This week: an in-depth interview with Dr. Tyler Black, a Canadian child psychiatrist and suicidologist. Dr. Black offers a compassionate and evidence-informed perspective on gender-affirming care, particularly for youth. He explains that while gender-affirming care is often framed as controversial, it is grounded in clinical best practices that prioritize reducing a child’s distress—not rushing toward irreversible interventions. He emphasizes that puberty blockers are a pause, not a push toward transition, and are used thoughtfully in coordination with families and medical professionals.Dr. Black also challenges the idea that medical transition is being recklessly promoted. He stresses that what protects trans kids most from suicidality is not any specific medical treatment, but consistent support, affirmation, and being genuinely supported by family and community.The conversation critiques the simplistic narrative that “gender-affirming care saves lives,” not because it’s untrue, but because it distracts from the real complexity. Dr. Black explains that suicide prevention isn’t just about treatment—it’s about ensuring kids feel safe, loved, and accepted, which dramatically reduces risk regardless of medical choices.The episode closes with reflections on empathy, parental fear, and the cultural shifts affecting how trans youth understand and express themselves. All three voices—Laura, Jo, and Dr. Black—emphasize the value of listening, rejecting ideological extremes, and supporting nuanced approaches to trans care and identity. Follow on X: Jo Ellis - @JoEllisReally | Laura T - @laura_tee_mdgi | Dr. Tyler Black @TylerBlack32

    1 Std. 49 Min.
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A transgender movement for the integration minded. A common sense approach. Not Left, not Right, but reasonable. Centrist minded folks that want to assimilate as best as they can and enjoy rights and privileges non-trans people enjoy. An adult conversation that advances a pragmatic outcome-focused approach to trans advocacy. We need to address issues like self ID, sports, healthcare for children, public bathrooms, etc. All or nothing approaches to these issues is the problem. WHY? Radical trans activism hurts everyday trans people. We can't have a nuanced discussion about trans topics or make

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