Disorder

Jason Pack
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Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder. Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral coalitions that work, how can we regulate AI, defend Ukraine, and fight climate change? All in a world without American leadership? Disorder is the go-to podcast for anyone who wants intelligent, thoughtful solutions to the Disorder engulfing our mad mad mad mad world. To join our Mega Orderers Club, and get ad free listening, early episode releases, bonus content and exclusive access to live events, visit ⁠disordershow.com/club Website: https://disordershow.com/

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  1. 14 hr ago

    Ep 219: Midterm Shockwaves — Markets, Israel and Ukraine

    The US midterms have rattled Wall Street and shaken the geopolitical chessboard. Jason is joined by Out of Order host Mark Lobel to ask: is this a turning point for Order, or the start of even more Trumpian chaos? From tumbling AI and defence stocks to Anthropic’s blockbuster IPO, they unpack the financial fallout. Then to Israel: can Gadi Eisenkot assemble a government and end the Netanyahu era — and why have the betting markets got the coalition arithmetic so wrong? In Ukraine, Russian attacks on the power grid intensify ahead of Abu Dhabi peace talks. Could Trump’s hunger for a deal leave Europe and Ukraine on the menu? And what would credible European security guarantees look like? ORDERING THE DISORDER Wage insurance for the AI transition; bold but practical European incentives for democratic post-Bibi change in Israel; and real security guarantees for Ukraine. Mark and Jason explain how we can have less wishful thinking, more strategic courage. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS In the Ep 219 bonus only for Mega Orderers entitled: Think Before EU Speak — Burnham’s Brexit Gamble’, Jason and Mark debate France’s protest wave and Andy Burnham’s Brexit gamble. Could a Norway-plus reset help Britain — or hand Nigel Farage the perfect immigration argument? Join the Mega Orderers at https://disordershow.com/club. SHOWNOTES LINKS — MAIN EPISODE Associated Press — From high-flying AI stocks to tariff-hit alcohol companies, the midterms shook up Wall Street — https://apnews.com/article/4ac9a6a3c35aeec37374fc8083bf9395 Al Jazeera — Eisenkot tasked with forming a new Israeli coalition government — https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/11/8/israels-president-tasks-eisenkot-to-form-new-coalition-government Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty — Russian strikes on energy targets leave Ukrainians without electricity — https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-strikes-ukraine-energy/33893219.html The Babylon Bee — Cheer Up, Friends! Here Are 8 Silver Linings Of The Republicans Getting Blown Out (satire) — https://babylonbee.com/news/cheer-up-friends-here-are-8-silver-linings-of-the-republicans-getting-blown-out For the market discussion: Dow Jones historical prices — https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EDJI/history/ ; Nasdaq Composite historical prices — https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EIXIC/history/ Further background mentioned in the recording: Mark Lobel’s Out of Order interviews on the Disorder YouTube channel, and earlier Disorder episodes on Ukraine, Israel and security guarantees. Producer: Sam Cluley (George McDonagh is away this week). Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

  2. 6 days ago

    Ep 218: The Blue Tsunami cometh! Has America Finally Rejected Trumpism?

    The morning after the 2026 US midterms, Jason Pack and Jane Kinninmont reunite for an emergency episode of Disorder to celebrate what Jason calls the greatest victory for American democracy in his lifetime. The predicted blue wave has become a blue tsunami, with Democrats making extraordinary gains in traditionally Republican territory, from Texas to South Carolina. Trump has even accepted the results! Has American democracy just saved itself? From Jason's perspective the word relief doesn't capture it. There was no electoral violence. there was no rigging. There was genuine uplifting democratic accountability... Jason is ecstatic, proud, and in disbelief. Jane is cautiously optimistic. Together they unpack the scale of the electoral earthquake, why Trump's promises on inflation, corruption and foreign wars have backfired, and how figures like James Talarico and Jon Ossoff could reshape the Democratic Party. Is this the beginning of the end for MAGA? And can a fifteen-point electoral swing finally break America's seemingly permanent political polarisation? Then we zoom out. Could a newly empowered Congress impeach Pete Hegseth, investigate the Epstein files and reassert its constitutional authority? What does Trump's humiliation mean for Putin, Zelensky, Netanyahu, the Iran war and Europe's far-right populists? Will a weakened Trump seek revenge, or desperately chase a foreign-policy victory? ORDERING THE DISORDER: Elections still matter. Voters can change their minds, authoritarianism can be defeated, and democracy can hold its leaders accountable. But winning an election is only the beginning: restoring checks and balances, tackling corruption and rebuilding a functioning political centre will require sustained effort. Jason wants a maximalist programme of accountability; Jane reminds us that democratic renewal needs broad coalitions, not simply partisan revenge. And perhaps, for one glorious day, the Orderers can allow themselves a little joy. We request that you celebrate the most happy of Ordermuses! Join the Mega Orderers Club to support independent, truth-based analysis, receive bonus episodes and early access, and help us keep Ordering the Disorder: https://disordershow.com/club Producer: Sam Cluley (standing in for George McDonagh) Subscribe to our Substack: https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

  3. 6 days ago · Subscribers Only

    MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Rewriting the US Constitution — Our Fantasy Constitutional Convention

    Thank you, Mega Orderers, for making these deeper conversations possible. Jason and Beau Breslin imagine themselves as delegates at a new American constitutional convention — and set about fixing the system, one structural problem at a time. Should California have five senators while Wyoming has one? Could independent commissions end partisan gerrymandering? How long should judges and members of Congress serve? And could an American version of the British Tory Party’s 1922 Committee finally give a president’s own party a mechanism to remove an out-of-control leader? They debate a ban on lobbying, taxpayer-funded campaigns, Citizens United, and whether elections in Maine and Nebraska offer a better model for how the Electoral College might work. They also deal with a possible elephant in the room: The trouble with rewriting the Constitution, of course, is that the billionaires might show up before the delegates do. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Constitutional reform must make representation fairer, executive power more accountable and political money less decisive — while making the reforms themselves possible to enact. Thank you to our Mega Orderers for keeping these conversations possible. Send your questions to disordershow@gmail.com. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Beau Breslin — A Constitution for the Living: Imagining How Five Generations of Americans Would Rewrite the Nation’s Fundamental Law https://books.google.com/books/about/A_Constitution_for_the_Living.html?id=vxgfEAAAQBAJ Listening to America — Is a Constitutional Convention Even Possible? With Beau Breslin https://www.tapesearch.com/episode/1694-is-a-constitutional-convention-even-possible/Y6kNrtbz3uuUCaEC4TRo7w Listening to America — America at 250 with Beau Breslin https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/america-at-250-with-beau-breslin/id206783908?i=1000663744307 National Archives — Constitutional Amendment Process and Article V https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution National Archives — Article V, including equal suffrage of states in the Senate https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/article-v.html Brennan Center — Redistricting reform and independent commissions https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/voting-elections/redistricting Brennan Center — Citizens United and the campaign-finance debate https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/money-politics/campaign-finance-courts/citizens-united

  4. 3 Nov · Subscribers Only

    Ep 217. Is the US Constitution Causing America’s Disorder? The Midterms, Trump and the Case for Reform

    In honour of the 2026 midterms, Jason is joined by Beau Breslin, Skidmore College political scientist and author of ‘A Constitution for the Living’, to ask a rather awkward question: what if America’s political dysfunction isn’t just about Trump, polarization or bad politicians — but the unintended consequences of the Constitution itself? From Jefferson’s argument for rewriting the Constitution every generation to Madison’s preference for continuity, they explore how the constitutional compromises around the following issues--the Senate, the Electoral College, gerrymandering, and presidential war powers--laid the door open to our current dysfunction. Given that the constitution is not really functioning anymore we ask: Can Congress reclaim its power of the purse? Has Citizens United helped turn democracy into plutocracy? And why are politicians so reluctant to make the case for structural reform? They also consider what a new Congress might actually change — before Beau offers a surprisingly practical prescription for Ordering the American disorder: bring back the bowling league. It may be easier than impeaching a president. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Rebuilding American democracy requires enforceable checks, fairer elections and institutions that reconnect citizens — not simply changing the politicians at the top. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Jason and Beau convene their own imaginary constitutional convention. One to five senators per state based on population! Term limits, independent redistricting, a parliamentary-style way to remove presidents, public campaign funding and a redesigned Electoral College!! Join at https://disordershow.com/club to hear what they would rewrite and how. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Beau Breslin — A Constitution for the Living (Skidmore College overview) https://www.skidmore.edu/news/2022/0106-breslin-book.php Listening to America — Artificial Intelligence (AI) and a New Constitution for the United States, with Beau Breslin and Prairie Gunnels https://jeffersonhour.libsyn.com/1661-artificial-intelligence-ai-and-a-new-constitution-for-the-united-states Listening to America — The Iran War and the U.S. Constitution, with Beau Breslin https://ltamerica.org/listen-2/ Disorder Ep 172 — Graham Zellick on Britain’s unwritten constitution and legal accountability https://podcasts.apple.com/se/podcast/ep-172-looking-beyond-the-headlines-of-the-iran/id1706818264?i=1000753646258&l=en-GB Disorder — Elie Honig on accountability and the Special Prosecutor system (linked in Ep 172 shownotes) https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/NmU0ZGIzZTQtYjhhMS0xMWYwLTk0NWQtZWZlN2MwMWI1YWJm National Archives — The US Constitution, full text https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript Brennan Center — Citizens United and money in politics https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/money-politics/campaign-finance-courts/citizens-united Brennan Center — Redistricting and independent commissions https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/voting-elections/redistricting Robert D. Putnam — Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community https://robertdputnam.com/bowling-alone/

  5. 3 Nov

    Ep 217. Is the US Constitution Causing America’s Disorder? The Midterms, Trump and the Case for Reform

    In honour of the 2026 midterms, Jason is joined by Beau Breslin, Skidmore College political scientist and author of ‘A Constitution for the Living’, to ask a rather awkward question: what if America’s political dysfunction isn’t just about Trump, polarization or bad politicians — but the unintended consequences of the Constitution itself? From Jefferson’s argument for rewriting the Constitution every generation to Madison’s preference for continuity, they explore how the constitutional compromises around the following issues--the Senate, the Electoral College, gerrymandering, and presidential war powers--laid the door open to our current dysfunction. Given that the constitution is not really functioning anymore we ask: Can Congress reclaim its power of the purse? Has Citizens United helped turn democracy into plutocracy? And why are politicians so reluctant to make the case for structural reform? They also consider what a new Congress might actually change — before Beau offers a surprisingly practical prescription for Ordering the American disorder: bring back the bowling league. It may be easier than impeaching a president. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Rebuilding American democracy requires enforceable checks, fairer elections and institutions that reconnect citizens — not simply changing the politicians at the top. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Jason and Beau convene their own imaginary constitutional convention. One to five senators per state based on population! Term limits, independent redistricting, a parliamentary-style way to remove presidents, public campaign funding and a redesigned Electoral College!! Join at https://disordershow.com/club to hear what they would rewrite and how. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Beau Breslin — A Constitution for the Living (Skidmore College overview) https://www.skidmore.edu/news/2022/0106-breslin-book.php Listening to America — Artificial Intelligence (AI) and a New Constitution for the United States, with Beau Breslin and Prairie Gunnels https://jeffersonhour.libsyn.com/1661-artificial-intelligence-ai-and-a-new-constitution-for-the-united-states Listening to America — The Iran War and the U.S. Constitution, with Beau Breslin https://ltamerica.org/listen-2/ Disorder Ep 172 — Graham Zellick on Britain’s unwritten constitution and legal accountability https://podcasts.apple.com/se/podcast/ep-172-looking-beyond-the-headlines-of-the-iran/id1706818264?i=1000753646258&l=en-GB Disorder — Elie Honig on accountability and the Special Prosecutor system (linked in Ep 172 shownotes) https://pod.link/1706818264/episode/NmU0ZGIzZTQtYjhhMS0xMWYwLTk0NWQtZWZlN2MwMWI1YWJm National Archives — The US Constitution, full text https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript Brennan Center — Citizens United and money in politics https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/money-politics/campaign-finance-courts/citizens-united Brennan Center — Redistricting and independent commissions https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/voting-elections/redistricting Robert D. Putnam — Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community https://robertdputnam.com/bowling-alone/ Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

  6. 28 Oct ·  Bonus · Subscribers Only

    MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Israel’s Election: Netanyahu, Eisenkot, and Coalition Chaos

    With Israel heading to the polls on 27 October, Jason and Jane go deep on the electoral arithmetic and the political stakes. Can Gadi Eisenkot assemble a coalition? Would Naftali Bennett or Avigdor Lieberman cooperate with the Arab parties or religious factions? And what happens when the president asks a succession of leaders to form a government and nobody can get to 61 seats? They explore the divide over ultra-Orthodox military service, Netanyahu’s legal cases, Trump’s intervention in Israeli politics, and the consequences of political deadlock for Iran, Gaza and relations with Syria. Plus: what Israeli political cartoons reveal about prejudice — and a brief detour into what Count Binface might do with a seat in the Knesset. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Even a decisive election result cannot create order without a workable governing coalition and institutions capable of commanding trust. Thank you to our Mega Orderers for keeping these deeper conversations possible. Send your questions to disordershow@gmail.com. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack -
https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube -
https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Call Me Back with Dan Senor — Three Election Scenarios Nobody Is Talking About, with Gil Hoffman
https://arkmedia.beehiiv.com/podcast/s/call_me_back_-_with_dan_senor/three_election_scenarios_nobody_is_talking_about_-_with_gil_hoffman Call Me Back — Is Israel’s Global Standing on the Israeli Ballot? With Amit Segal and Nadav Eyal
https://arkmedia.beehiiv.com/podcast/s/call_me_back_-_with_dan_senor/is_israel_s_global_standing_on_the_israeli_ballot_-_with_amit_segal_and_nadav_eyal Associated Press — A look at the major candidates in Israel’s election
https://apnews.com/article/e83e117c86c821a4a8c3546848e9795d Reuters — Israel’s election may change its leader, but not Iran war policy
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-election-may-change-its-leader-not-iran-war-policy-2026-10-21/ The Guardian — After three disastrous years, Israel needs to rethink itself
https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2026/oct/21/israel-new-government-election-opposition-victory-palestine

  7. 27 Oct · Subscribers Only

    Ep 216. Listener Questions: Has Centrism Failed, Is French Disorder spreading, Can Ukraine Hold On, and Who Can Order the Disorder?

    Jason and Jane are back with your questions — and an encouragingly modest agenda: saving centrism, standing by Ukraine, surviving the US midterms, tackling climate change and keeping the Red Sea open. Is anti-incumbency a symptom of a broken social contract? Can democracies outlast Putin without American leadership? And is a protest movement without a concrete demand doomed to achieve nothing? We also tackle Trump’s Russian diesel deal, whether Trump will fightback after a midterms loss coherent fightback, what COP31 can achieve in Antalya, and how the Houthis connect the Iran war to the Horn of Africa. Along the way, Jason offers the Democrats a slogan, and we discover that puppet satire may be the most reliable form of political analysis. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Big collective-action problems need leadership, enforceable rules and practical demands — not just outrage. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Israel votes on 27 October. Could Netanyahu survive yet again? Jason and Jane examine Gadi Eisenkot, Naftali Bennett, Avigdor Lieberman and the Arab parties; ultra-Orthodox conscription; and the prospect of a knesset that cannot form a government. Join at https://disordershow.com/club. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack -
https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube -
https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Disorder Ep 212 — Mark Galeotti on War Putinism and Russian bears
https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/502c88e21901dc3f66bac9d075868ce5dd86ca63/view The Rest Is Politics: Leading — Mary Trump, “Trump’s Niece on Why He’s on Putin’s Side”
https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/trumps-niece-on-why-hes-on-putins-side/id1665265193?i=1000796648618 The Rest Is Politics — Trump and Putin vs Zelensky: Is Europe Sleepwalking into Disaster?
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-the-rest-is-politics-107223135/episode/581-trump-and-putin-vs-zelensky-348060976/ Puppet Regime — official political satire site
https://puppetregime.com/ Spitting Image — official YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/@SpittingImage UN Climate Change — COP31 in Antalya, 9–20 November 2026
https://unfccc.int/cop31 The Atlantic — Trump’s “Staggering One-Two Punch” to Ukraine
https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/10/ra-ukraine/689068/ Disorder — join the Mega Orderers Club
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  8. 27 Oct

    Ep 216: Listener Questions: Has Centrism Failed, Is French Disorder spreading, Can Ukraine Hold On, and Who Can Order the Disorder?

    Jason and Jane are back with your questions — and an encouragingly modest agenda: saving centrism, standing by Ukraine, surviving the US midterms, tackling climate change and keeping the Red Sea open. Is anti-incumbency a symptom of a broken social contract? Can democracies outlast Putin without American leadership? And is a protest movement without a concrete demand doomed to achieve nothing? We also tackle Trump’s Russian diesel deal, whether Trump will fightback after a midterms loss coherent fightback, what COP31 can achieve in Antalya, and how the Houthis connect the Iran war to the Horn of Africa. Along the way, Jason offers the Democrats a slogan, and we discover that puppet satire may be the most reliable form of political analysis. ORDERING THE DISORDER: Big collective-action problems need leadership, enforceable rules and practical demands — not just outrage. MEGA ORDERERS BONUS: Israel votes on 27 October. Could Netanyahu survive yet again? Jason and Jane examine Gadi Eisenkot, Naftali Bennett, Avigdor Lieberman and the Arab parties; ultra-Orthodox conscription; and the prospect of a knesset that cannot form a government. Join at https://disordershow.com/club. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow SHOWNOTES LINKS Disorder Ep 212 — Mark Galeotti on War Putinism and Russian bears https://podfollow.com/disorder/episode/502c88e21901dc3f66bac9d075868ce5dd86ca63/view The Rest Is Politics: Leading — Mary Trump, “Trump’s Niece on Why He’s on Putin’s Side” https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/trumps-niece-on-why-hes-on-putins-side/id1665265193?i=1000796648618 The Rest Is Politics — Trump and Putin vs Zelensky: Is Europe Sleepwalking into Disaster? https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-the-rest-is-politics-107223135/episode/581-trump-and-putin-vs-zelensky-348060976/ Puppet Regime — official political satire site https://puppetregime.com/ Spitting Image — official YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@SpittingImage UN Climate Change — COP31 in Antalya, 9–20 November 2026 https://unfccc.int/cop31 The Atlantic — Trump’s “Staggering One-Two Punch” to Ukraine https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/10/ra-ukraine/689068/ Disorder — join the Mega Orderers Club https://disordershow.com/club Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day. We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos. But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder. Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinnimont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral coalitions that work, how can we regulate AI, defend Ukraine, and fight climate change? All in a world without American leadership? Disorder is the go-to podcast for anyone who wants intelligent, thoughtful solutions to the Disorder engulfing our mad mad mad mad world. To join our Mega Orderers Club, and get ad free listening, early episode releases, bonus content and exclusive access to live events, visit ⁠disordershow.com/club Website: https://disordershow.com/

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  • Creator
    Jason Pack
  • Years Active
    2023 - 2026
  • Episodes
    243
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © 766979 868329
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