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  1. State of the Art of Java in 2026 • Ben Evans

    3 DAYS AGO

    State of the Art of Java in 2026 • Ben Evans

    This interview was recorded for GOTO State of the Art in March 2026. https://gotopia.tech Ben Evans - Senior Principal SW Engineer at Red Hat & Co-Author of "Optimizing Cloud Native Java" & many more Books Read the full transcription of this interview here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/439 RESOURCES Ben https://mastodon.social/@kittylyst https://bsky.app/profile/ogkittylyst.bsky.social https://github.com/kittylyst https://www.linkedin.com/in/kittylyst https://www.kittylyst.com Links https://newrelic.com/resources/report/2024-state-of-the-java-ecosystem https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2025/06/18/language-rankings-1-25 https://www.stepsecurity.io/blog/hackerbot-claw-github-actions-exploitation https://stripe.dev/blog/minions-stripes-one-shot-end-to-end-coding-agents https://openjdk.org/jeps/8305968 https://openjdk.org/jeps/353 https://openjdk.org/jeps/416 https://developer.ibm.com/articles/j-ffm https://openjdk.org/jeps/8350458 https://openjdk.org/jeps/8303099 DESCRIPTION In this GOTO State of the Art, Java Champion & Red Hat Senior Principal SW Engineer Ben Evans delivers a sweeping, data-driven audit of Java's health in 2026 — and the picture is far healthier than the tech press would have you believe. Server-side Java workloads have roughly doubled in the last 7 years, developer wages are stable (unlike JavaScript, which is heading south), Java has been in the top 4 programming languages for 12 consecutive years, and the entire cloud-native infrastructure stack — Kafka, Cassandra, Spark, OpenTelemetry, Keycloak — runs on it. The real insight is mathematical: explosive growth of a small language base is still dwarfed by modest growth of Java's enormous installed base. Java isn't dying; it's just not shiny enough to get clicks. The meat of the talk is a masterclass in Java's architecture and roadmap. Ben unpacks the fundamental tension between dynamism (the JVM's Lisp-and-Smalltalk-heritage runtime) and integrity (modern security demands that restrict unchecked internal API access), before walking through the near and far future: Project Valhalla's value types (the most fundamental change to Java ever — bigger than generics or lambdas), the Vector API waiting on Valhalla to land, nullability markers, ahead-of-time compilation, and beyond that, type classes and Project Babylon. His honest take on AI tooling is sharp: great for greenfield, genuinely poor at architectural reasoning and version-specific code, and only a real productivity multiplier for teams who already have solid engineering practices. Oh, and it's a wolf in sheep's clothing — the JVM's dynamism makes it way closer to Lisp than to C++, and Java's philosophy of "boring done right" turns out to be an excellent foundation for AI-era enterprise software. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Ben Evans & Jim Gough • Optimizing Cloud Native Java • https://amzn.to/41nivD9 Ben Evans, Jason Clark & David Flanagan • Java in a Nutshell • https://amzn.to/43FDoMA Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    41 min
  2. Kafka for Architects • Ekaterina Gorshkova & Viktor Gamov

    6 DAYS AGO

    Kafka for Architects • Ekaterina Gorshkova & Viktor Gamov

    This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Ekaterina Gorshkova - Apache Kafka Engineer at SOFTEC & Author of "Kafka for Architects" Viktor Gamov - Principal Developer Advocate at Confluent & Co-Author of "Kafka in Action" Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/440 RESOURCES Ekaterina https://www.linkedin.com/in/ekaterina-gorshkova-978bb6 https://medium.com/@katyagorshkova Viktor https://bsky.app/profile/gamussa.dev https://x.com/gAmUssA https://github.com/gamussa https://www.linkedin.com/in/vikgamov https://gamov.io Links 45% off discount code (expires on 25 May 2026): GOTOKGKafka Affiliate link: https://hubs.la/Q044HgTv https://current.confluent.io/london DESCRIPTION Apache Kafka has evolved far beyond a simple message broker — it has become a foundational layer for modern enterprise software. In this GOTO Book Club episode, Ekaterina Gorshkova, author of "Kafka for Architects", shares how her decade-long journey with Kafka — starting in a Czech bank's integration team in 2015 — shaped her understanding of what it really takes to design Kafka-based systems at scale. The conversation covers core architectural decisions, real-world patterns for enterprise integration, the role of Kafka Streams, and how to avoid the classic pitfalls of building systems that "only three engineers understand". The episode also looks forward: Ekaterina and host Viktor Gamov explore how Kafka is increasingly becoming the connective tissue for AI-driven systems, acting as an orchestration layer between intelligent agents, real-time data, and business workflows. Her book's central argument is that while AI and tooling change fast, the fundamental knowledge of how to design robust, event-driven systems is durable and career-proof. Kafka for Architects is framed not just as a technical manual, but as a roadmap for architects who want to get Kafka right from day one — requirements, design, testing, and all. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Ekaterina Gorshkova • Kafka for Architects • https://amzn.to/42mDarU Dylan Scott, Viktor Gamov & Dave Klein • Kafka in Action • https://amzn.to/4vJ3Kcj Viktor Gamov, Tartakovsky, Rasputnis & Fain • Enterprise Web Development • https://amzn.to/3CezL0R Shapira, Palino, Sivaram & Petty • Kafka: The Definitive Guide • https://amzn.to/3RPtdLP Bill Bejeck • Kafka Streams in Action • https://amzn.to/3CGJiiM Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    29 min
  3. Tech Truth: Teaching Kids to Code with Sonic Pi • Sam Aaron & James Lewis

    15 MAY

    Tech Truth: Teaching Kids to Code with Sonic Pi • Sam Aaron & James Lewis

    This conversation was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2025. https://gotocph.com Sam Aaron - Live Coding Musician & Creator of Sonic Pi James Lewis - Principal Consultant & Technical Director at Thoughtworks RESOURCES Sam https://www.patreon.com/samaaron https://bsky.app/profile/samaaron.bsky.social https://twitter.com/samaaron https://github.com/samaaron https://linkedin.com/in/samaaron James https://bsky.app/profile/boicy.bovon.org https://twitter.com/boicy https://linkedin.com/in/james-lewis-microservices Links https://sonic-pi.net https://twitter.com/sonic_pi https://github.com/sonic-pi-net/sonic-pi https://www.ableton.com/en/link https://hydra.ojack.xyz DESCRIPTION Programming isn't just lines of code, it's a gateway to creating music & art. Legends such as Ada Lovelace are proof of that. With the aim to reshape the perception of coding which has traditionally been complex and intimidating, Sam Aaron created Sonic Pi, an open-source, free-to-use platform that empowers users to create music through code. What began as a humble endeavor has grown exponentially with more than millions of downloads globally and a large number of schools integrating the tool as part of their computing curriculum to teach children how to program. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Sam Aaron & Russell Barnes • Code Music with Sonic Pi • https://amzn.to/4hBRYtC Hans Gruendel • Making Music with Sonic Pi • https://amzn.to/3oVxGV7 Hans Gruendel • Learn to Program with Sonic PI • https://amzn.to/3qCrLEO Simon Monk • Raspberry Pi Cookbook • https://amzn.to/43AGPRX Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ Forsgren, Humble & Kim • Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps • https://amzn.to/3tCz1xO Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    50 min
  4. Toad: Your AI Coding Agent Deserves a Better User Interface • Will McGugan & Olimpiu Pop

    12 MAY

    Toad: Your AI Coding Agent Deserves a Better User Interface • Will McGugan & Olimpiu Pop

    This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Will McGugan - Creator of Toad & the Python Packages, Rich, Textual & PyFilesystem Olimpiu Pop - Technologist & Tech Journalist ORIGINAL TALK TITLE The Python Dev Who Built Rich, Textual & now Toad Just Redesigned How You Talk to AI Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/437 RESOURCES Will https://mastodon.social/@willmcgugan https://x.com/willmcgugan https://bsky.app/profile/willmcgugan.bsky.social https://github.com/willmcgugan https://www.linkedin.com/in/willmcgugan https://willmcgugan.github.io Olimpiu https://x.com/olimpiupop https://github.com/zroll https://www.linkedin.com/in/olimpiupop Links https://www.textualize.io https://www.batrachian.ai https://github.com/textualize/rich https://github.com/Textualize/textual https://zed.dev https://willmcgugan.github.io/toad-released https://willmcgugan.github.io/announcing-toad DESCRIPTION In this GOTO Unscripted episode, Olimpiu Pop sits down with Will McGugan — Python PSF Fellow and creator of Rich (4+ billion downloads) and Textual — to demo his sabbatical project: Toad, a slick terminal-based universal frontend for AI coding agents. Will's frustration was simple and justified: every major AI coding tool (Claude Code, Gemini, Codex) was built on top-tier models but wrapped in a UI that looked like it was designed in 2004. Toad fixes that by using the Agent Client Protocol (ACP) as a standardized plug-in layer, giving users elegant prompt editing, proper streaming markdown rendering, beautiful tables, syntax highlighting, and a hybrid shell-plus-AI interface — all in the terminal, where developers already live. The conversation gets sharply honest when the topic turns to AI and developer craft. Will — a 30-year coding veteran who admits it's not instinctive for him to reach for AI — shares a clear-eyed view of its strengths and limits: AI is extraordinarily fast at anything well-defined and unambiguous, but still struggles with genuinely novel problems. His conclusion? Most of what software developers do day-to-day isn't actually novel — it's pattern assembly — and that's precisely where AI shines. The future of coding isn't replacement; it's liberation from the mechanical grind. Oh, and the podcast host literally reading out "music intro here" because stage directions ended up in the transcript? That one's a cautionary tale for the ages. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Will McGugan • Beginning Python Games Development 2nd ed. • https://amzn.to/4ebBfxu Will McGugan • Beginning Game Development with Python and Pygame • https://amzn.to/4cyVdB3 Sam Keen • Clean Architecture with Python • https://amzn.to/4pBT5g0 Eric Evans • Domain-Driven Design • https://amzn.to/3tnGhwm Naomi Ceder • The Quick Python Book • https://amzn.to/3zwdDOa Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    19 min
  5. Java Cookbook • Ian Darwin & Jeanne Boyarsky

    8 MAY

    Java Cookbook • Ian Darwin & Jeanne Boyarsky

    This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Ian F. Darwin - Java, Android & Unix Developer, Trainer, Mentor & Author of "Java Cookbook" Jeanne Boyarsky - Oracle Java Champion, Co-Author of "Real-World Java" & "OCP 21 Java Cert Book" Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/438 RESOURCES Ian https://fosstodon.org/@IanDarwin https://x.com/Ian_Darwin https://github.com/IanDarwin https://www.linkedin.com/in/idarwin https://www.darwinsys.com Jeanne https://bsky.app/profile/jeanneboyarsky.bsky.social https://mastodon.social/@jeanneboyarsky https://x.com/jeanneboyarsky https://github.com/boyarsky https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanne-boyarsky https://sites.google.com/view/jeanneboyarsky https://www.selikoff.net Links https://javacookbook.org https://dev.java/community/jcs DESCRIPTION In this GOTO Book Club, Java Champion Jeanne Boyarsky interviews Ian F. Darwin — author of one of Java's most enduring reference books, Java Cookbook, now in its fifth edition covering up to Java 25. The conversation traces Ian's extraordinary journey: from writing Java's first commercial training course outside of Sun Microsystems, to meeting Tim O'Reilly at a Unix conference and handing him a chapter on lint, to delivering a class in Houston where the entire room had just been laid off and were using the course as their golden handshake into a new career. Ian talks about the philosophy behind the book — culling a peak 900-page beast down to a tight 600 pages, anchoring tool choices on proven, battle-tested picks like JUnit, Mockito, and logging — and shares his three favourite chapters: Regular Expressions, Object-Oriented Techniques, and Reflection. The conversation gets sharply honest about AI and the future of the industry. Ian — who uses Claude as his coding assistant and does vibe code — warns that his greatest fear isn't AI taking over the world, but something subtler and more dangerous: companies stopping junior hires because AI can do the work, leaving no one to grow into the deep expertise that retires with the current generation. The parallel risk for books is equally candid: AI was trained on older editions, so the fifth edition is genuinely new and un-scraped territory. His advice for anyone who has learned the basics of Java? Don't ask an AI — buy the cookbook, save yourself years of trial and error, and for goodness' sake, read the code before you deploy it. "It's like building an airplane and putting passengers on it without flight testing." RECOMMENDED BOOKS Ian F. Darwin • Java Cookbook 5th ed. • https://amzn.to/3QH0NZy Ian F. Darwin • Java Cookbook 1st ed. • https://amzn.to/4sUpPlL Ian F. Darwin • Checking C Programs with Lint • https://amzn.to/3Q2C69Y Victor Grazi & Jeanne Boyarsky • Real-World Java • https://amzn.to/4oCEeBR Jeanne Boyarsky & Scott Selikoff • OCP 21 Java Cert Book • https://amzn.to/4lF8OIC Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    24 min
  6. The Typo That Broke Production — And Accidentally Created Spring Cloud Contract • Marcin Grzejszczak & Jakub Pilimon

    5 MAY

    The Typo That Broke Production — And Accidentally Created Spring Cloud Contract • Marcin Grzejszczak & Jakub Pilimon

    This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. https://gotopia.tech Marcin Grzejszczak - Software Engineer at HeroDevs & Java Champion Jakub Pilimon - Software Architect at jPilo & Software Consultant at Bottega IT Minds ORIGINAL TALK TITLE The Typo That Broke Production — And Accidentally Created Spring Cloud Contract Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/435 RESOURCES Marcin https://bsky.app/profile/toomuchcoding.com https://mastodon.social/@toomuchcoding@fosstodon.org https://twitter.com/MGrzejszczak https://github.com/marcingrzejszczak https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcin-grzejszczak-15565119 https://toomuchcoding.com Jakub https://twitter.com/JakubPilimon https://github.com/pilloPl https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakub-pilimon-449b7984 http://pillopl.github.io Links https://toomuchcoding.com/post https://martinfowler.com/articles/consumerDrivenContracts.html https://www.tomakehurst.com DESCRIPTION In this GOTO Unscripted episode, Jakub Pilimon sits down with Marcin Grzejszczak — Java Champion, Spring Cloud Contract contributor, author, mentor, and founder of a rural housewives' circle (yes, really) — to trace a 15+ year career that went from C++ on the Côte d'Azur to becoming one of the key architects of Spring Cloud Contract and the Micrometer Observation API. Marcin shares how real production pain — a junior dev fixing a typo in an API that silently broke every client — gave birth to what would become Spring Cloud Contract, and how he's never shy about calling out his own embarrassing code (complete with a Javadoc that opens with "I'm sorry"). The conversation pivots sharply into 2025 territory, with Marcin sketching out an AI-powered future for contract testing: instead of manually writing contracts (which developers routinely abandon), capture live production traffic, let AI generate the contracts, and let humans do what they're actually good at — reviewing and approving. Wrapping up with observability, Marcin argues the most underrated pillar isn't logs, metrics, or traces — it's context. Without knowing why something happened (a deployment, a business event), raw telemetry data is just noise. Practical, honest, and occasionally self-deprecating: a thoroughly human conversation in the age of AI. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Marcin Grzejszczak • Mockito Cookbook • https://amzn.to/4rXOrtf Marcin Grzejszczak • Instant Mockito • https://amzn.to/4lV2ePQ Sam Newman • Building Microservices • https://amzn.to/3dMPbOs Sam Newman • Monolith to Microservices • https://amzn.to/2Nml96E Roy Osherove • The Art of Unit Testing • https://bit.ly/3obiKNB Charity Majors, Liz Fong-Jones & George Miranda • Observability Engineering • https://amzn.to/38scbma Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    31 min
  7. Learning API Styles • Lukasz Dynowski & Sam Newman

    1 MAY

    Learning API Styles • Lukasz Dynowski & Sam Newman

    This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Lukasz Dynowski - Independent Consultant & Co-Author of "Learning API Styles" Sam Newman - Author of "Building Microservices" & "Monolith to Microservices" Check out more here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/436 RESOURCES Lukasz https://github.com/ludyn-leo https://www.linkedin.com/in/ldynia https://learningapistyles.com Sam https://twitter.com/samnewman https://github.com/snewman https://www.linkedin.com/in/samnewman http://samnewman.io http://samnewman.io/blog Links https://www.youtube.com/@ldynia1 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRkB-vSK4koOHYIhpKXuXpipVpByEKuPu https://learningapistyles.com https://github.com/ldynia/learning-api-styles https://nordicapis.com/the-bezos-api-mandate-amazons-manifesto-for-externalization https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/1176617.1176622 DESCRIPTION In this GOTO Book Club episode, Sam Newman — author of "Building Microservices" — sits down with Lukasz Dynowski, co-author of "Learning API Styles", for a refreshingly low-level deep dive into a subject most developers think they already understand. The book deliberately starts from the network layer up — transmission modes, TCP, protocol stacks — rather than jumping straight to REST and GraphQL, because, as Lukasz explains, most API problems only become visible when you understand the substrate beneath them. The conversation covers the full spectrum: public vs internal APIs, the Bezos API Mandate moment, why treating your API as a product is non-negotiable, and why the choice between binary and textual protocols is never as obvious as performance benchmarks suggest. The real gold comes in two moments. First, Lukasz lays out a crisp checklist for what makes a good API — audience-awareness, maintainability, efficiency, intuitiveness, resilience, security, testability, and documentation that actually matches behavior. Second, Sam shares a war story about a credit derivative system where the only way to figure out who was accessing the database was to turn off the credentials and wait for angry phone calls. The lesson: context shapes every trade-off, there's no universal right answer between REST, gRPC, WebSockets, or messaging, and the best API decision is the one that fits your situation — not the one that fits the conference talk. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Lukasz Dynowski • Learning API Styles • https://amzn.to/3PFembK Sam Newman • Building Resilient Distributed Systems • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/building-resilient-distributed/9781098163532 Sam Newman • Monolith to Microservices • https://amzn.to/2Nml96E Sam Newman • Building Microservices • https://amzn.to/3dMPbOs Ronnie Mitra & Irakli Nadareishvili • Microservices: Up and Running• https://amzn.to/3c4HmmL Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

    32 min
  8. A Common-Sense Guide to AI Engineering • Jay Wengrow & Kris Jenkins

    28 APR

    A Common-Sense Guide to AI Engineering • Jay Wengrow & Kris Jenkins

    This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Jay Wengrow - Author of “A Common-Sense Guide to AI Engineering” & CEO of Actualize Kris Jenkins - Lifelong Computer Geek and Podcast Host RESOURCES Jay https://x.com/jaywengrow https://github.com/jaywengrow https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaywengrow https://www.commonsensedev.com Kris https://bsky.app/profile/krisajenkins.bsky.social https://twitter.com/krisajenkins https://www.linkedin.com/in/krisjenkins https://github.com/krisajenkins http://blog.jenkster.com DESCRIPTION In this GOTO Book Club episode, host Kris Jenkins sits down with Jay Wengrow — founder of coding bootcamp Actualize and author of the bestselling Common-Sense Guide to Data Structures and Algorithms — to dig into his latest book, A Common-Sense Guide to AI Engineering. Jay demystifies how AI agents actually work: at heart, they're a clever hack where your code intercepts an LLM's text output, watches for special notation, and triggers real functions when it spots them. From there, the conversation expands into guardrails (regex, judge LLMs, and specialist ML models), multi-agent architectures for complex tasks, and a hands-on example of a 150-line podcast-generating app built entirely from scratch — no framework required. The real throughline is a pragmatic, sceptical take on the current AI tooling landscape. Jay argues that frameworks can lock you into patterns that haven't been proven yet, and that the field is too new to know which abstractions are genuinely worth having. His rule of thumb: reach for a framework only when it will do something meaningfully better than you can — not just faster. The book was deliberately written around fundamentals rather than specific tools, so it ages well even as the ecosystem moves at breakneck speed. The conclusion is refreshingly grounded: understand the LLM's inherent limitations, build the middle layer thoughtfully, and don't outsource your system prompts to anyone — or anything. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Jay Wengrow • A Common-Sense Guide to AI Engineering • https://pragprog.com/titles/jwpaieng Jay Wengrow • A Common-Sense Guide to Data Structures and Algorithms • https://amzn.to/4bPiTjd Jay Wengrow • A Common-Sense Guide to Data Structures & Algorithms in Python • https://amzn.to/3PpwtlT Jay Wengrow • A Common-Sense Guide to Data Structures and Algorithms in JavaScript • https://amzn.to/4dDSZBl Bluesky Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

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