L&D Must Change

Jess Almlie
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L&D Must Change is a podcast dedicated to people development professionals (L&D, TD, OD, etc.) who want to make an impact. Through conversations with L&D colleagues passionate about changing our profession for the better and the occasional solo episode, Jess Almlie will uncover practical strategies we can all use to make a positive difference in the world of work. Let's learn from each other and collectively raise the bar for the work we do!

  1. 51. Rethinking Microlearning with Robyn A. Defelice

    1 APR

    51. Rethinking Microlearning with Robyn A. Defelice

    Microlearning sounds simple. It's not. In this episode, Jess sits down with Robyn Defelice to unpack why microlearning often fails and what L&D pros are getting wrong. They explore the critical shift from covering content to making intentional decisions, why misalignment derails projects, and how to actually use microlearning as part of a broader learning strategy. If you've ever been asked to "just make it shorter," this conversation will change how you think about design, stakeholders, and impact.   Jess and Robyn Discuss Why L&D must shift from content coverage to intentional decision making How microlearning exposes weak design and stakeholder habits The three different meanings of "microlearning" and why misalignment happens How to push back on stakeholders while staying learner focused Why microlearning is not just shrinking content The role of shared language in successful learning projects How the Microlearning Readiness Framework (MLR) helps teams assess capability When microlearning works best as pre-work, reinforcement, or extension Why microlearning should complement, not replace, other learning formats Practical first steps to start using microlearning more effectively About Robyn A. Defelice Robyn A. Defelice, PhD, is a learning strategist, consultant, and speaker who transforms how L&D professionals approach their craft. With 25 years spanning startups to Fortune 500s, manufacturing to healthcare, government to higher education, she helps practitioners integrate the art, science, and business of learning to become strategic partners in their organizations. She is the founder of RADLearning, co-author of "Microlearning: Short and Sweet" (ATD Press), and author of the newly released, "Maximizing the Power of Microlearning" (ATD Press). For over a decade, she has partnered with ATD on research into training development times, informing how organizations approach capacity and capability planning. Her favorite moments? When L&D teams discover their untapped potential and realize just how much impact they can have. Find and Connect with Robyn A. Defelice LinkedIn Website: https://www.radlearning.com/ 1st Book: Microlearning Short and Sweet New Book: Maximizing the Power of Microlearning   Find and Connect with Jess Almlie   LinkedIn Website: www.jessalmlie.com Book: L&D Order Taker No More! Become a Strategic Business Partner L&D Strategic Business Partner Team Assessment and Team Development Roadmap Contact Jess

    55 min
  2. 50. Design Learning Beyond Courses with Mark Britz

    18 MAR

    50. Design Learning Beyond Courses with Mark Britz

    What if your real job in L&D isn't to build better courses, but to design better conditions for learning? In this episode, Mark Britz challenges us to step outside the L&D box and examine the larger ecosystem shaping performance every day. Through powerful stories and practical examples, Jess and Mark explore how control, efficiency, and legacy systems can unintentionally block learning. Instead of asking "What training should I create?" you'll be invited to ask, "What environment am I designing?" This conversation will stretch how you see your role and the impact you can truly have.   Jess and Mark Discuss The shift from controlling learning through courses to influencing learning through environment design. Why creating content can subtly reinforce control instead of capability. The power of organizational design in shaping behavior. How efficiency-driven systems can unintentionally create disconnection and limit learning. The case study that proves most performance problems are not training problems. How social tools like Slack and Teams can act as an MRI for your culture, revealing trust, power, and communication patterns. What learning in the flow of work really means. The learning that emerges when people are trusted to solve problems. Auditing your own L&D processes to identify where you may be reinforcing control.   About Mark Britz Mark is the Director of Event Programming & Content at The Learning Guild and author of Social By Design: How to create and scale a collaborative company. Across roles in education, corporate, and start-up settings—as a teacher, instructional designer, social strategist, and performance consultant - his focus has been consistent: reshape systems to reduce friction, foster connection, and support learning through work, not around it.   Find and Connect with Mark Britz LinkedIn Website: www.markbritz.com Book: Social by Design: How to create and scale a collaborative company The Learning Guild Learning Leadership Conference DevLearn Conference & Expo   Find and Connect with Jess Almlie LinkedIn Website: www.jessalmlie.com Book: L&D Order Taker No More! Become a Strategic Business Partner L&D Strategic Business Partner Team Assessment and Team Development Roadmap Contact Jess

    55 min
  3. 49. World Learning Content Cleanup Day with Ger Driesen

    4 MAR

    49. World Learning Content Cleanup Day with Ger Driesen

    Is your L&D content closet getting a bit cluttered? When was the last time you cleaned it up? In this episode, Jess sits down with Ger Driesen, founder of World Learning Content Cleanup Day (#WLLCD), to challenge L&D's obsession with creation over maintenance. They explore why outdated learning erodes credibility, how to adopt a "retire by default" mindset, and how a simple annual cleanup can uncover powerful data insights. Let's reduce risk and increase the benefits of our content together with a cleanup celebration.    Jess and Ger Discuss Why L&D teams prioritize creation and neglect maintenance The concept behind World Learning Content Cleanup Day The idea of learning hygiene as a professional standard How to evaluate content using relevance, usage, accuracy, and risk Using LMS data to inform cleanup decisions The retire by default mindset shift Refreshing, rewriting, or retiring content strategically What heat illness training in Alaska can teach us about relevance How cleanup builds credibility with stakeholders Navigating resistance and "killing your darlings" conversations Turning a one day event into an ongoing process Simple ways any L&D pro can get started   About Ger Driesen Ger Driesen started working in L&D in 1990 and has taken on almost every L&D role there is during his career. He's served as a L&D consultant, a learning designer, an L&D manager, a Trainer/facilitator, a teacher for L&D at a university of applied sciences, a writer, and speaker. As the Learning Innovation Leader at Newspring, Ger launched the World Learning Content Cleanup Day (#WLCCD) in 2023. He is the co-founder and independent learning and leadership consultant for Challenge Leadership Development Academy. Ger is based in the Netherlands and also known as  the Dutch L&D trend catcher.   Find and Connect with Ger Driesen LinkedIn World Learning Content Cleanup Day Overview and Video   Find and Connect with Jess Almlie LinkedIn Website: www.jessalmlie.com Book: L&D Order Taker No More! Become a Strategic Business Partner L&D Strategic Business Partner Team Assessment and Team Development Roadmap Contact Jess

    42 min
  4. 48. Choosing the Right L&D Tech with Becky Willis

    18 FEB

    48. Choosing the Right L&D Tech with Becky Willis

    Choosing the right L&D technology can feel overwhelming when every platform promises transformation. In this episode, Jess and learning strategist Becky Willis cut through the noise to talk about how to evaluate learning tech with a critical eye. They explore how to separate real capability from marketing hype, what AI should actually be doing behind the scenes, and how to make smart technology decisions even when budget or legacy systems get in the way. If tech decisions stress you out, this conversation will help.   Jess and Becky Discuss Why legacy LMSs were built for course management, not performance impact "Dinosaurs on wheels" and how AI gets bolted onto outdated systems The difference between AI at the core vs AI for content creation only Why you should start with a business problem, not a platform wish list Red flags in vendor demos and the questions to ask anyway What actionable data should look like, including BI-style analytics Personalization, skills, and collaboration as real engagement drivers How L&D accidentally kills engagement by overwhelming learners Using pilots, especially with IT, to reveal gaps and build allies How to show value and earn budget even with clunky tech Tying learning to KPIs like quality, safety, and time-to-proficiency   About Becky Willis Becky Willis is a modern learning strategist, speaker, and author who focuses on learning strategy, technology, and engagement. As a founder and chief learning officer at Tractus Learning, she helps businesses design, develop, and improve their learning solutions. She is a thought leader in the field of learning platforms and ecosystems and cares deeply about leveraging technology to create personalized, adaptive, and continuous learning experiences to drive better outcomes for businesses.   Find and Connect with Becky Willis LinkedIn Tractus Learning Website: https://tractuslearning.com/ Book: 7 Steps to Learning Engagement   Find and Connect with Jess Almlie LinkedIn Website: www.jessalmlie.com Book: L&D Order Taker No More! Become a Strategic Business Partner L&D Strategic Business Partner Team Assessment and Team Development Roadmap Contact Jess

    1hr 3min
  5. 47. Robots vs. Humans: Storytelling and AI with Stephanie Hubka

    4 FEB

    47. Robots vs. Humans: Storytelling and AI with Stephanie Hubka

    AI can spit out an L&D outline in seconds, but it cannot create connection. In this episode, Jess Almlie talks with Stephanie Hubka about why storytelling is the missing ingredient in a world of fast, transactional training. They break down how to choose stories with intention using the SOL framework, how to design learning through story using scenarios and choose-your-own-adventure techniques, and how to use AI as a partner without outsourcing the best parts of your craft. You will leave ready to start a story journal and humanize your learning.   Jess and Stephanie Discuss How AI exposes the gap between knowledge transfer and human connection Stephanie's "light switch" moment when ChatGPT matched her outline, but stripped the soul from the learning Why storytelling builds trust, openness, and the vulnerability learners need Common objections like "I'm not confident" and "I don't have the right story" and how to move past them Borrowing stories ethically, including when to ask permission and when to anonymize Using the SOL framework to pick stories that spark, overcome, underscore, or link The difference between adding a story and designing through story Story-based structures like scenarios and choose-your-own-adventure learning Four storytelling archetypes (superpowers) and how to match your style to your audience A practical workflow: human start, AI middle, human end A simple next step: start a story journal you can pull from anytime   About Stephanie Hubka Stephanie Hubka wants to live in a world where learning is human at its core and anchored by experiences that celebrate joy, curiosity, and genuine connection. As the managing partner of Protos Learning, LLC she provides strategic leadership on professional learning and organizational performance solutions to companies around the world.  Stephanie is a Certified Professional in Talent Development (CPTD) and is Dare to Lead Trained. She is a sought-after facilitator and keynote speaker, and her work has been published in industry publications including TD Magazine. She is the co-author of 3-2-1 Launch!: The Ultimate Guide to Starting a Talent Development Podcast. Stephanie is a longtime ATD volunteer and proudly served as the president of the Metro DC chapter of ATD in 2016 and as a National Advisor for Chapters from 2017-2022. Stephanie's passion for training is equaled only by her love of exploring the globe; an avid traveler, she has visited all 7 continents, more than 70 countries, and all 50 US states.    Find and Connect with Stephanie Hubka LinkedIn Website: Protos Learning ATD Blog Article: AI Isn't Human, But Storytelling Is TD Magazine Article: Channel Your Sorytelling Superpower (Free to ATD Members) Book: 3-2-1 Launch! The Ultimate Guide to Starting a Talent Development Podcast   Find and Connect with Jess Almlie LinkedIn Website: www.jessalmlie.com Book: L&D Order Taker No More! Become a Strategic Business Partner L&D Strategic Business Partner Team Assessment and Team Development Roadmap Contact Jess

    54 min
  6. 46. Using PIPs for Development, Not Discipline with Amy Kay Watson

    21 JAN

    46. Using PIPs for Development, Not Discipline with Amy Kay Watson

    Let's be real. Most Performance Improvement Plans (PIPs) don't actually improve performance. They're a legal termination plan in disguise. That doesn't make anyone feel good. But, they don't have to be this way! In this episode, Jess talks with coach and culture consultant Amy Kay Watson about rebooting accountability so performance improvement becomes a true development process instead of a disciplinary paper trail. Amy breaks down why most PIPs don't include learning or development and then shares a practical model built designed to restore psychological safety, clarify standards, and build early wins. You'll leave with concrete ways L&D can equip managers to partner in accountability conversations and diagnose root causes. PIPs can be positive turning points, but only with a different approach.  Jess and Amy Discuss Why PIPs often function as compliance tools instead of learning frameworks, and the downstream damage to trust, morale, and capability The "reformer's trap": why managers default to policing behavior under pressure (and what to do instead) How cultures fall into the "nice trap," confusing kindness with lack of structure and boundaries A developmental PIP model built on three pillars: Justice, Goals, and Efficacy Justice in practice: using transparent performance data ("Do you see what I see?") to reduce threat response and enable learning Goals that build capacity: shifting from deficit lists to resourced targets using the Job Demands–Resources (JDR) lens Efficacy: restoring agency by designing early, achievable wins to rebuild confidence and momentum L&D's three big opportunities: train managers as diagnostic "regulators," claim PIPs as a learning tool, and align with HR/Legal to avoid mixed messages The smallest high-impact starting point: be clear about standards because clarity really is kindness How to handle the hard reality: what changes when someone won't engage, even with support and partnership About Amy Kay Watson Amy Kay Watson, M.Div., MCC, is a Master Certified Coach and a sought-after speaker in empathy-driven leadership and performance improvement. She helps purpose-driven professionals balance accountability with compassion, especially in high-pressure, high-stakes roles. With a background spanning chaplaincy, corporate management, over 200 culture-shaping retreats, and over 3,600 coaching hours, Amy brings rare insight and practical wisdom to every stage and conversation. Find and Connect with Amy Kay Watson LinkedIn Website: amykaywatson.com Article: It's Time to Reboot Accountability Special offer for listeners (quiz): rebootleader.com Find and Connect with Jess Almlie LinkedIn Website: www.jessalmlie.com Book: L&D Order Taker No More! Become a Strategic Business Partner Strategic Business Partner Team Assessment and Team Development Roadmap

    45 min
  7. 45. Ensure Learning is Worth the Expense with Melanie Martinelli

    7 JAN

    45. Ensure Learning is Worth the Expense with Melanie Martinelli

    Your learners loved the course… and then nothing changed. In this episode, Jess talks with Melanie Martinelli (Institute for Transfer Effectiveness) about why L&D's obsession with "great training" often fails at the only thing that matters: on-the-job application. You'll unpack the 12 Levers of Learning Transfer, learn how to run a quick transfer audit, and hear a case study where a clunky old e-learning outperformed a shiny new one. All because the ecosystem mattered more than the content.   Jess and Melanie discuss Why L&D "falls in love with the solution" instead of diagnosing the real performance problem The difference between learner satisfaction and business impact (Level 1 vs. Level 3) What "learning transfer" actually means: application back on the job The 12 Levers of Transfer (trainee, training design, and organizational factors) How to use a "transfer audit" to find the biggest barriers for that specific program Why you shouldn't try to pull all 12 levers at once (perfectionism kills transfer) Active learning vs. active practice—and why practice gets cut first Designing for constraints: what to do when training time is limited Why investing in "before and after" support beats polishing course content The "Certificate of Implementation" tactic that drives supervisor support   About Melanie Martinelli Melanie Martinelli combines her entrepreneurial spirit with her 20 years of experience in L&D to help build memorable & results-based learning experiences. In her role as CEO of the Institute for Transfer Effectiveness and Founder of Going Beyond Training, she applies strong business acumen, rich practical experience across cultures & a deep understanding of what makes learning transfer happen to support her clients in being more strategic in their L&D initiatives.   Find and Connect with Melanie Martinelli LinkedIn Institute for Transfer Effectiveness Book: What Makes Training Really Work   Find and Connect with Jess Almlie LinkedIn Website: www.jessalmlie.com Book: L&D Order Taker No More! Become a Strategic Business Partner   Introducing the L&D Strategic Business Partner Team Assessment and Development Blueprint Want to know how your L&TD team can stop reacting to requests and start operating as a true strategic business partner? The L&D Strategic Business Partner Team Assessment and Development Roadmap shows you exactly where your team is today and provides a clear, practical path to change how you work, build credibility with leaders, and deliver measurable business impact. Learn more and reach out to Jess Almlie to bring this tool to your team.

    59 min
  8. 44. Facilitating Engagement Isn't Enough with Brian Washburn

    10/12/2025

    44. Facilitating Engagement Isn't Enough with Brian Washburn

    Your learners don't need another "fun" workshop; they need results. In this episode, Jess and Brian Washburn unpack why engagement alone is a dangerous success metric and how to design for real performance change. Brian introduces his simple four-step facilitation model: Anchor, Content, Application, Future Use, which turns any session into a repeatable, effective learning experience. They explore how to equip SMEs to facilitate (without gimmicks), handle awkward moments like silence or "I don't know," and adapt these principles for virtual and global audiences. Why engagement alone doesn't equal effective training The four-step facilitation model and how to use it every time Moving SMEs from knowledge dumps to true facilitation Simple, non-gimmicky activities that prove people "get it" Handling silence, tough questions, and tech failures with confidence Adapting facilitation for virtual rooms and global cultures About Brian Washburn Brian Washburn is an author, a sought-after speaker, and an experienced instructional designer who has been working in the field of learning and development for more than two decades.  Brian's work has been published in TD magazine, the monthly trade magazine for the Association of Talent Development (ATD), and he was named a Top Young Trainer by Training Magazine in 2011. Brian's first book, What's Your Formula? Combine Learning Elements for Impactful Training, was published by ATD Press in June 2021. Modeled on the original periodic table of elements, the book explores a wide range of approaches to organizational training needs and new ideas and ways to organize the design of learning programs.  His second book, Instructional Design on a Shoestring, was released in January 2024, and will be provided to each participant in this train-the-trainer program. Brian holds an MA in Organizational Development from Antioch University. Find and Connect with Brian Washburn LinkedIn Website: Endurance Learning Book: What's Your Formula? Combine Learning Elements for Impactful Training Book: Instructional Design on a Shoestring Find and Connect with Jess Almlie LinkedIn Website: www.jessalmlie.com Book: L&D Order Taker No More! Become a Strategic Business Partner Additional Links from the Episode Gagne's 9 Events of Instruction The Bob Pike Group Malcolm Knowles Adult Learning Theory  On Teaching and Learning: Putting the Principles and Practices of Dialogue Education into Action by Jane Vella Endurance Learning Training Activity Cookbook L&D Must Change Podcast Episode 08 with Kassy Laborie (Online Training That's Better Than In Person) Interact and Engage! 75+ Activities for Virtual Training, Meetings, and Webinars by Kassy Laborie and Thomas Stone L&D Must Change Podcast Episode 22 with Chris Taylor (Designing and Measuring On Purpose)

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L&D Must Change is a podcast dedicated to people development professionals (L&D, TD, OD, etc.) who want to make an impact. Through conversations with L&D colleagues passionate about changing our profession for the better and the occasional solo episode, Jess Almlie will uncover practical strategies we can all use to make a positive difference in the world of work. Let's learn from each other and collectively raise the bar for the work we do!

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  • Creator
    Jess Almlie
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    52
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    © 2024
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    L&D Must Change

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