Liminal Living

Dr. Thomas J Rundel
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Welcome to the Liminal Living Podcast, where we dive deep into the realm of liminal spaces—those transitional phases where uncertainty is our companion. I'm your host and curator of conversations, Dr. Tom Rundel, and it's my pleasure to serve as your guide through these uncharted territories. With a doctoral background in spirituality and leadership from Portland Seminary, my research has centered on the spirituality found in the narratives of liminality in the Bible, but I have expanded my research to include other faith traditions and cognitive science. Since our launch in 2023, we've been dedicated to exploring the nuances of dark nights and deconstructions, but our journey expanded to include insights from a diverse array of modern-day thinkers and artists. Through a blend of stories, practices, and perspectives, we provide valuable guidance for fellow travelers navigating their own liminal spaces. So, join us as we embark on this journey and embrace the uncertainty in order to uncover the hidden wisdom that lies within the liminal spaces of life.

  1. 157: Tom Rundel: Christian Nationalism Can't Survive Matthew 5

    1 DAY AGO

    157: Tom Rundel: Christian Nationalism Can't Survive Matthew 5

    In this conversation, Tom Rundel explores the profound teachings of the Sermon on the Mount, emphasizing its counterintuitive nature and the challenges it presents to individuals across the Christian spectrum. He delves into the historical context of Rosa Parks and the Montgomery Bus Boycott, illustrating how acts of non-violence and dignity can challenge oppressive systems. The discussion further expands on the metaphor of being 'salt of the earth' and 'light of the world,' calling for a communal approach to justice and love that preserves life and reveals truth in society. Takeaways The Sermon on the Mount is challenging and counterintuitive.Rosa Parks' actions sparked a significant movement for civil rights.The Montgomery Bus Boycott demonstrated the power of non-violent resistance.Salt symbolizes preservation and healing in a violent world.Light represents justice and communal action that restores dignity.Christian nationalism can distort the true message of the Gospel.Repentance is a way to reclaim dignity from oppressive narratives.Small acts of faithfulness can have a significant impact.Communities should organize around justice and love.Living out the teachings of Jesus requires courage and authenticity.Chapters The Challenge of the Sermon on the Mount Historical Context and Rosa Parks The Impact of the Montgomery Bus Boycott Salt of the Earth: A Call to Action Light of the World: Living Out Goodness   SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)   ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living      Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    35 min
  2. 156: Tom Rundel: The Light We Cannot See

    4 FEB

    156: Tom Rundel: The Light We Cannot See

    In this conversation, Tom Rundel shares personal anecdotes and insights about the nature of light, the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, and the significance of the Beatitudes. He emphasizes the importance of understanding unseen forces that affect our lives, the transformative power of imagination, and the call to justice and mercy as central themes in the Beatitudes. The discussion encourages listeners to reflect on their own lives and the societal structures around them, advocating for a compassionate and just approach to living.  takeaways  Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not affecting you. The nature of light includes both visible and invisible elements that impact us. The Sermon on the Mount offers a new perspective on societal norms and values. Jesus' teachings challenge our survival instincts and societal hierarchies. The Beatitudes call for a radical reimagining of how we engage with the world. Solidarity is essential in understanding Jesus' message. Imagination is crucial for hope and social transformation. Justice and mercy are intertwined in the teachings of Jesus. The meek are strong-souled individuals who refuse violence as a means of progress. A vision for the world must be rooted in the Beatitudes to be effective. SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)   ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living      Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    30 min
  3. 155: Tom Rundel: Speaking Truth to Power

    28 JAN

    155: Tom Rundel: Speaking Truth to Power

    This conversation explores the context of Jesus' beginning ministry, the nature of time, the role of prophets in society, ancient fishermen, and the call to solidarity and healing within communities. Tom Rundel shares personal fishing memories, transitions into discussing the serious nature of fishing in Jesus' time, and delves into the importance of understanding time as a social construct. He emphasizes the need for prophets to challenge unjust systems and highlights Jesus' radical choice of disciples from the margins of society. The conversation concludes with reflections on healing and the presence of God among those who are marginalized. takeaways Fishing memories evoke nostalgia and family connections.Jesus' disciples were not just hobbyists but working fishermen.Understanding the context of Jesus' ministry requires a shift in perspective.Time was measured seasonally in ancient societies, not precisely.Prophets challenge unjust systems and advocate for change.Jesus' withdrawal to Galilee was a strategic move for a new movement.The marginalized often see God's light more clearly than the powerful.Healing is an act of solidarity, not just a display of power.Community and care are essential in the Kingdom of God.Imagination shapes hope and action in our lives.Chapters 00:00Fishing Memories and Family Traditions 06:20Understanding the Context of Jesus and Fishermen 12:05The Nature of Time and Its Impact on Society 18:21The Role of Prophets in Challenging Systems 24:22Jesus' Radical Call to the Margins 30:20Healing and Solidarity in the Kingdom of God SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)   ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living      Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    37 min
  4. 154: Tom Rundel: The Lamb of God vs The Eagle of Rome

    21 JAN

    154: Tom Rundel: The Lamb of God vs The Eagle of Rome

    n this episode, Tom Rundel delves into the historical and theological significance of Pope Sergius I's refusal to conform to political pressures in the late seventh century, particularly regarding the phrase 'Lamb of God.' This pivotal moment in church history illustrates the tension between faith and power, as Sergius stood firm in his beliefs despite the threat of arrest. Rundel draws parallels between this historical event and contemporary issues within the church, emphasizing the importance of maintaining the integrity of faith in the face of societal pressures. He highlights how the phrase 'Lamb of God' serves as a radical declaration of God's nature, contrasting with imperial power and domination, and invites listeners to reflect on their own spiritual journeys and the deeper meanings behind their beliefs. Throughout the conversation, Rundel encourages a re-examination of what it means to follow Jesus, emphasizing that true spirituality is not merely about beliefs but about living out those beliefs in a way that embodies love, vulnerability, and sacrifice. He challenges listeners to consider their desires and how they align with their spiritual lives, ultimately calling for a deeper allegiance to the values represented by the 'Lamb of God.' Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Pope Sergius and Historical Context02:58 The Significance of the 'Lamb of God'05:27 Political Pressures and Faith Integrity10:00 Contrasting Symbols: Eagle vs. Lamb15:46 The Radical Nature of the 'Lamb of God'20:27 Faith as a Witness and Spirituality25:26 Desire and Spirituality: What Do You Want?30:50 Vocation and Living Authentically34:51 Closing Reflections and BenedictionTakeaways 'I'm a Christian.''God's power doesn't look like empire power.''What do you want?''Faith is a witness.''Desire is naturally human.''Tell me what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?''The lamb symbolizes self-emptying love rather than imposed force.''We can't pretend otherwise, even if these people in power ask us to.''This is who Jesus is.''Come and see.' SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)   ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living      Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    34 min
  5. 153: Tom Rundel: Worship What You Have Burned. Burn What You Have Worshipped

    14 JAN

    153: Tom Rundel: Worship What You Have Burned. Burn What You Have Worshipped

    In this conversation, Tom Rundel reflects on his journey from city life to a deeper understanding of faith, exploring themes of baptism, identity, and the call to repentance. He shares personal anecdotes and historical insights, particularly focusing on the significance of baptism as a transformative act that reveals one's true identity as beloved by God. The discussion emphasizes the importance of solidarity with others and the need for a profound reorientation of values in the context of faith. takeaways I did not grow up a country boy.I wanted to get out of the city.Fire is a symbol of baptism in the Bible.Worship what you have burned and burn what you have worshiped.Salvation and liberation are the same words.Baptism is an identity marker for us.We need a new epiphany for the new year.Repentance is a profound reorientation of values.We must stand in solidarity with those we help.You are God's beloved and he is well pleased.Chapters From City Life to Country DreamsThe Symbolism of Fire and BaptismThe Epiphany of Christ's BaptismSolidarity and the Call to RepentanceIdentity and Belovedness in Baptism SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)   ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living      Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    37 min
  6. 152: Tom Rundel: The Radical Theology of Incarnation

    7 JAN

    152: Tom Rundel: The Radical Theology of Incarnation

    This conversation explores the life and theology of Julian of Norwich, a 14th-century mystic who lived through the Black Death. Tom Rundel discusses how Julian's experiences shaped her radical theology, emphasizing God's love and presence in suffering. The conversation also delves into the nature of God, the distinction between the world and God's kingdom, and the importance of radical inclusion in the Christian faith. Finally, it advocates for a shift from Christian nationalism to localism, encouraging deeper community engagement and awareness of God's presence in everyday life. takeaways Julian of Norwich lived through the Black Death, shaping her theology.Her visions emphasized God's love and presence in suffering.Julian's radical theology countered the belief in God's wrath during the plague.God's love is deeper than death, offering hope amidst suffering.The world is not separate from God's kingdom; we live in both.God's presence is often unrecognized due to societal power structures.Radical inclusion in God's family transcends race and status.Christian localism emphasizes community engagement and care.God's vulnerability is shown through proximity to humanity.The gospel addresses both spiritual and physical realities.Chapters Introduction to Julian of NorwichJulian's Life During the Black DeathVisions and Revelations of Divine LoveThe Nature of God's LoveUnderstanding the World and God's PresenceThe Power Structures of the WorldRadical Theology and BelongingChristian Localism and Community Engagement SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)   ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living      Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    35 min
  7. 151: Tom Rundel: The Political Tyranny of Herod the Great

    31/12/2025

    151: Tom Rundel: The Political Tyranny of Herod the Great

    summaryThis conversation explores the unique perspectives of the Gospels, particularly focusing on the historical context of the Hebrew people, the rise and rule of Herod the Great, and the implications of Jesus' birth in relation to Herod's tyranny. It delves into the narrative parallels between Moses and Jesus, the significance of lamentation as a form of resistance, and the overarching theme of power dynamics in biblical history. The discussion culminates in reflections on authenticity and the nature of silence in the face of oppression. takeaways Different Gospels target different audiences with unique perspectives.Herod the Great's rule was marked by violence and political maneuvering.The historical context of the Hebrew people is crucial to understanding the Gospels.Herod's fear of losing power led to the slaughter of innocent children.The narrative aligns Jesus with Moses, framing him as a new leader.God communicates through dreams, bypassing traditional power structures.Lamentation is a vital form of resistance against oppression.Herod's death symbolizes the triumph of Jesus' life and message.Matthew's account seeks to correct the narrative surrounding Herod.Silence can lead to authenticity and self-discovery. SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)   ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living      Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    38 min
  8. 150: Tom Rundel: Love is Not Sentiment

    24/12/2025

    150: Tom Rundel: Love is Not Sentiment

    This reflection explores love as a disruptive, risky, and compassionate force revealed in the Advent story of Joseph and Mary. Rather than portraying love as perfection or rule-following, it shows how imperfect love—choosing mercy over fear and presence over withdrawal—is enough to bring God into the world. Joseph’s decision to stay, despite uncertainty and social risk, reframes righteousness as compassion and justice as mercy, inviting listeners to see love as embodied courage in liminal, in-between spaces. Chapter BreakdownLiminal Space and Advent Love Life is lived in “in-between” spaces where transformation and possibility emerge; Advent highlights love within this liminality. The Disruption of the Virgin Birth God breaks patriarchal and monarchical expectations by entering the world quietly, without coercion or male control. Joseph’s Imperfect Love Joseph follows the law yet chooses mercy, redefining righteousness as compassion rather than strict rule-keeping. Love Resists Sanctioned Violence Love stands against violence even when that violence is justified by religion or law. God Interrupts Closed Systems Through dreams and divine invitation, God opens new possibilities beyond fear-driven decisions. Love Must Be Embodied Love is not an idea or doctrine but something lived out through risky, faithful action. Risky Fidelity Over Safe Withdrawal Joseph chooses to stay and grow through love rather than escape discomfort. Reflection and Practice Listeners are invited into self-examination and imaginative prayer to embody love in their own lives. Key TakeawaysLove often arrives as disruption, not certainty Imperfect love is still enough to bring God into the world Righteousness is compassion, not mere rule-following Justice and mercy are inseparable Love resists fear-driven withdrawal God opens new possibilities when systems feel closed Love grows when fear is faced rather than avoided Staying present can be a holy, transformative act SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)   ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living      Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

    16 min
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Welcome to the Liminal Living Podcast, where we dive deep into the realm of liminal spaces—those transitional phases where uncertainty is our companion. I'm your host and curator of conversations, Dr. Tom Rundel, and it's my pleasure to serve as your guide through these uncharted territories. With a doctoral background in spirituality and leadership from Portland Seminary, my research has centered on the spirituality found in the narratives of liminality in the Bible, but I have expanded my research to include other faith traditions and cognitive science. Since our launch in 2023, we've been dedicated to exploring the nuances of dark nights and deconstructions, but our journey expanded to include insights from a diverse array of modern-day thinkers and artists. Through a blend of stories, practices, and perspectives, we provide valuable guidance for fellow travelers navigating their own liminal spaces. So, join us as we embark on this journey and embrace the uncertainty in order to uncover the hidden wisdom that lies within the liminal spaces of life.

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  • Creator
    Dr. Thomas J Rundel
  • Years Active
    2015 - 2026
  • Episodes
    173
  • Rating
    Clean
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    Liminal Living