Ryan Kulig, Finance and Operations Officer at SITFO, the Utah School and Institutional Trust Funds Office, joins The Agentic Allocator to share how a $4.7 billion-dollar permanent fund for Utah's public education programs became one of the earliest institutional allocators to systematically build AI into the way it operates. For the past 16 months, Ryan has led a rigorous AI landscaping exercise at SITFO, evaluating vendors, building agentic workflows, and integrating AI into the operational fabric of the agency. As a member of several industry networks of leading endowments, foundations, and health systems, Ryan found that almost no one else in those communities was actively implementing AI, which only deepened his conviction that SITFO needed to lead. Ryan walks through why SITFO moved past using AI to generate investment memos, which it found to be a commoditized solution, toward a cross functional platform that serves finance and operations, strategy and risk, and manager research. He explains the integration work required to connect AI to the CRM, benchmarking systems, performance vendors, email, and shared document storage, and why that unglamorous plumbing work is what makes the AI powerful. He also shares his view that institutional investors have been slow to adopt AI because they treat it as a productivity tool rather than a transformational technology, and why SITFO concluded that the cost of moving early outweighed the risk of waiting. What You'll Learn: How SITFO grew from three people and an inherited portfolio of Vanguard mutual funds into a sophisticated allocator over its first ten yearsWhy SITFO moved past using AI for investment memos, which it found to be a commoditized solution, toward a single cross functional platform serving finance and operations, strategy and risk, and manager researchWhy SITFO prioritized integrating AI with its existing CRM, benchmarking, and performance systemsWhy Ryan believes institutional investors have been slow to adopt AI because they treat it as a productivity tool rather than a transformational technologyWhy SITFO concluded that the cost of being early outweighed the risk of waiting, and what that meant in practiceHow SITFO built a pipeline tool that pulls documents from its CRM daily and screens managers against desirable metrics across asset classesWhy low hanging fruit such as reviewing limited partnership agreements, populating subscription documents, and redlining NDAs frees the team for higher value workWhy Ryan believes manager research is shifting back to a people business, with more time spent on reference checks and relationship building and less on memo writingWhy SITFO's two most recent hires were chosen for technical skill rather than manager research background, and what that signals about where the team is headedRyan's advice for peers earlier in their AI adoption journey: assess your resources and objectives first, then run a structured landscaping processHow SITFO secured board and management support years in advance, including through an internal working group it calls the Skynet groupThe data integrity and integration challenges SITFO worked through, including cleaning its CRM and controlling permissions across email and shared drivesAbout Ryan Kulig: Ryan Kulig is the Finance and Operations Officer at SITFO, the Utah School and Institutional Trust Funds Office, a $4.7 billion-dollar permanent fund to support Utah’s public education programs. Ryan joined SITFO in 2016 to manage office operations, portfolio administration, and investment analysis, and has spent the past 16 months leading the agency's AI landscaping and implementation effort. Before joining SITFO, he worked at Sax Angle Partners, specializing in fundamental and technical analysis of equity investments. Ryan holds a Bachelor of Business Administration in Global Business from the University of Portland and an MBA from the University of Southern California. Episode Highlights: [01:57] From Three People to a Sophisticated Allocator Ryan traces SITFO's growth from three founding employees and an inherited portfolio of Vanguard mutual funds to a fully built out institutional allocator, and what it took to establish the foundational governing documents early on. [03:12] Beyond Investment Memos: One Solution Across Three Verticals SITFO's early attempt to use AI for investment memos quickly proved commoditized. Ryan explains how that pushed the team toward a broader search for a solution that could serve finance and operations, strategy and risk, and manager research, and why integration with existing systems was a key priority. [04:44] Why the Industry Is Holding Back Ryan's view on why institutional investors, as risk conscious fiduciaries, have been slow to adopt AI, and why many are still treating it as a productivity tool rather than a transformational one. [06:42] Why SITFO Chose to Move Early Ryan explains SITFO's calculation that the cost of being early outweighed the risk of waiting, and how the team built a cross functional case for AI that could benefit every vertical in the agency rather than a single department. [07:39] Low Hanging Fruit: LPAs, Subscription Documents, and NDAs Document intensive work is the clearest early win. Ryan explains why automating the baseline redlines of an NDA does not replace the attorney, it frees the attorney to focus on a more thorough review. [08:37] Building the Pipeline Engine: Top of Funnel to Bottom of Funnel Ryan describes the tool SITFO built that pulls documents daily from its CRM and files them into active and prospective manager hubs, allowing the team to landscape its entire network and screen managers against asset class specific metrics. [10:31] The Cultural Shift: Back to a People Business Ryan explains how AI is moving the manager research role away from quantitative screening and memo writing and back toward reference checks, relationship building, and firsthand observation of how managers operate. [11:25] SITFO in Three to Five Years: Hiring for Technical Skill SITFO's two most recent hires were chosen for technical aptitude rather than manager research background. Ryan explains why he expects the team to spend significant time coding and developing prompts to build out the agency's AI framework. [12:16] Why Manager Research Is Becoming a People Business Again Ryan's view on why AI, by making content easier to produce, will push allocators back toward firsthand experience and direct relationships as the basis for conviction. [13:46] Advice for Peers: Resources, Objectives, and a Structured Process Ryan's framework for allocators evaluating an AI solution: assess your team's resources and skill set, define what you are trying to achieve, and run a structured landscaping process. [15:11] Governance: Board Buy In and the Skynet Group Ryan describes how SITFO secured support from its board and CIO years in advance, including through an internal working group established roughly three years ago to explore AI implementation across the organization. [16:05] Challenges: Data Integrity and Integration Permissions Ryan walks through the unglamorous work behind the AI bu...