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Jason Braaten

We foster confessional integrity, liturgical preservation, and preaching that doesn’t stink.

  1. 5 days ago

    TGC 612 – CTCR Report Review: Unity in Doctrine & Practice

    Pastor Ben Hayter of Imanuel Lutheran Church in Waterloo, IL, joins the show to work through the CTCR's 2025 document, Unity in Doctrine, Uniformity and Variety in Practice. The document came from a 2019 synodical resolution asking the CTCR to define what Article III.7 of the LCMS Constitution actually means by "unity in doctrine and uniformity and variety in practice." The CTCR responds with six historical case studies — the Jerusalem Council, the Quartodeciman controversy, Luther's Invocavit Sermons, the adiaphoristic controversy behind Formula of Concord Article X, and two episodes from LCMS history: the Synod's founding and the debate over lay electors and women's suffrage. Hayter raises three unresolved questions the document leaves on the table. First: the difference between how to use adiaphora and whether something actually is adiaphora in the first place — a hermeneutical question of whether church practice requires an explicit command or whether necessary inference is sufficient warrant. Second: definitional looseness around key terms like "responsible," "required," "insist," and "retain" — words that carry very different weight depending on who's doing the requiring, God by His Word or the Synod by human right. Third: even once something is settled as adiaphora, the document doesn't resolve which practices are wise and which are foolish to adopt — that work is left to pastors and congregations, argued from Scripture rather than mere preference. The conversation lands on a practical charge: use this document as a starting point for real conversation among brother pastors — in circuit Winkels, district boards, and eventually Synod conventions — grounded in reasons drawn from Scripture and the Confessions, not personal whim. Topics covered: Background on CTCR study documents and Resolution 5-11 (2019 convention) The six case studies: Jerusalem Council, Quartodeciman controversy, Luther's Invocavit Sermons, the adiaphoristic controversy, the Synod's founding, lay electors/women's suffrage The hermeneutical question: explicit command vs. necessary inference in determining adiaphora Defining loaded terms: "responsible," "required," "retain," "insist" Whether a practice being adiaphora settles whether it's wise to use Next steps: Winkel discussions, district conventions, and synodical bylaws as means of working this out ----more---- Host: Fr. Jason Braaten Guest: Fr. Ben Hayter ----more---- Become a Patron! You can subscribe to the Journal here: https://www.gottesdienst.org/subscribe/ You can read the Gottesblog here: https://www.gottesdienst.org/gottesblog/ You can support Gottesdienst here: https://www.gottesdienst.org/make-a-donation/ As always, we, at The Gottesdienst Crowd, would be honored if you would Subscribe, Rate, and Review. Thanks for listening and thanks for your support.

  2. 15 Jul

    TGC 610 – Beauty and the Eye of the Beholder?

    Is beauty just personal preference, or is it real? Rev. Kyle Verage, pastor of Good Shepherd Lutheran Church in Pleasant Prairie, WI, joins the podcast to trace how Scripture answers a question philosophy never could. Verage starts with the common phrase "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and shows where it breaks down — some things are simply more beautiful than others, whether or not we can always articulate why. He walks through the history of aesthetics from Socrates' pragmatism through Aristotle's search for objective standards to Kant's retreat into pure subjectivity, showing how each falls short apart from revelation. The heart of the conversation is word study: Verage searched the Old and New Testaments for every occurrence of "beauty," "beautiful," and "handsome," and found the data points overwhelmingly to the Hebrew term yafeh (used of people) and pa'ar/tif'arah (used of constructed things — garments, crowns, the temple). From there he traces the Greek pairing kalos kai agathos — the beautiful and the good — through figures like David and Abigail, into Zechariah's messianic prophecy, and finally to Christ himself as the true bridegroom who makes His bride beautiful. The conversation closes on the Divine Service: where objective beauty — art, music, architecture, rhetoric — is wedded to God's Word, and where Christ clothes His people in beauty not by their achievement, but by His declaration over them. Topics covered: The history of aesthetics: Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Kant Word studies: yafeh, pa'ar/tif'arah, kalos, horaios, tov Kalos kai agathos — the beautiful and the good — in David, Abigail, and Zechariah 9 Christ as the exemplar of true beauty How the Word of God declares believers beautiful Beauty in the Divine Service as the marriage of external art and God's Word ----more---- Host: Fr. Paul Schulz Guest: Fr. Kyle Verage ----more---- Become a Patron! You can subscribe to the Journal here: https://www.gottesdienst.org/subscribe/ You can read the Gottesblog here: https://www.gottesdienst.org/gottesblog/ You can support Gottesdienst here: https://www.gottesdienst.org/make-a-donation/ As always, we, at The Gottesdienst Crowd, would be honored if you would Subscribe, Rate, and Review. Thanks for listening and thanks for your support.

  3. 8 Jul

    TGC 608 – The Duties of an Evangelical Lutheran Synod: Walther's Six Theses

    Rev. John Koopman, Associate Pastor at Our Savior Lutheran Church in Mankato, MN, joins the show to walk through C.F.W. Walther's essay "The Duties of an Evangelical Lutheran Synod," delivered at the first Iowa District convention. The essay was written against the backdrop of the split between Missouri and Iowa Synod Lutheranism — Iowa Synod pastors trained under Wilhelm Löhe who held that the confessions should be read "historically" rather than confessed without reservation, a trajectory that ended in the ELCA. Walther, by contrast, insisted that confessional subscription must be unconditional and total, since every part of Scripture — not just the articles touching salvation — serves the salvation of souls. Koopman and Paul Schultz work through Walther's six theses on what a synod is for: Faithfulness to the confessions in word and deed — testing pastors thoroughly, holding congregations accountable, and refusing fellowship with the unfaithful. Supporting pastors and teachers — counseling them, defending them against unjust treatment, and never abandoning a pastor for faithfully preaching hard truths, regardless of tact or rhetorical polish. Material on synod property and finances — Walther's warning against synods being distracted by money and institutional self-preservation. Promoting growth in the knowledge of truth — doctrine, not politics or mutual back-patting, must dominate synodical conventions. Striving for peace and unity in the truth — mutual submission and charity among brothers, without nitpicking over peripheral matters. Seeking God's glory, not the synod's own — Walther's striking line that the synod should prefer to go out of business rather than let the church suffer harm through its continued existence. Throughout, Koopman and Schultz draw direct lines to present controversies in the LCMS: pastoral formation and seminary training, the role of circuit visitors, tone policing of faithful but blunt preaching, and the Synod's entanglement with money and institutional concerns. Topics covered: Historical background: Löhe, the Iowa Synod, and the ELCA's descent from it Confessional subscription — quia vs. quatenus Walther's six theses on synodical duty The synod's obligation to defend faithful pastors under pressure Pastoral formation and testing candidates for the ministry Synod finances and institutional self-glorification Mutual submission and charity among brother pastors ----more---- Host: Fr. Paul Schulz Guest: Fr. John Koopman ----more---- Become a Patron! You can subscribe to the Journal here: https://www.gottesdienst.org/subscribe/ You can read the Gottesblog here: https://www.gottesdienst.org/gottesblog/ You can support Gottesdienst here: https://www.gottesdienst.org/make-a-donation/ As always, we, at The Gottesdienst Crowd, would be honored if you would Subscribe, Rate, and Review. Thanks for listening and thanks for your support.

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