The Stacking Benjamins Show

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Named the Best Personal Finance Podcast by Bankrate.com and Kiplinger, The Stacking Benjamins Show features a light and friendly tone. Hosts Joe Saul-Sehy and OG aim to make financial literacy fun for all as they sit around the card table in Joe's Mom's half-finished basement and talk with experts about personal finance, saving, investing, and important money trends. As Fast Company once wrote, the Stacking Benjamins podcast "strikes a great balance of fun and functional." So join Joe and OG every Monday, Wednesday and Friday as they read your letters, discuss major headlines, and throw in some trivia and laughs for free.

  1. Building Your Personal Finance Curriculum (At Any Age) SB1824

    1 DAY AGO

    Building Your Personal Finance Curriculum (At Any Age) SB1824

    Most of us were never taught this stuff. So, where do you actually start? Thirty-nine states now require a personal finance course to graduate from high school. That's real progress — and it still might not be enough. Because financial education isn't a one-time event. It's a living curriculum that has to grow with you, stay connected to your actual life, and — crucially — help you get out of your own way when things get emotionally charged. This week, Joe and the crew build that curriculum from the ground up. Whether you're 22 or 52, there's a starting point here for you. Rubin Miller — Financial advisor, founder of Peltoma Capital, and author of the Fortunes and Frictions blog. Came from the investment world before financial planning, which means he sees the whole game differently and isn't afraid to say so on LinkedIn. Paula Pant — Afford Anything host, behavioral finance truth-teller, and the person who goes on record this week with a very confident guess about the trivia answer. OG — The basement's own financial planner, father of a teenager who wants to day trade, and enthusiastic opponent of giving the government any money he doesn't absolutely have to. On building the foundation: Why the first step in any financial plan is an honest accounting of where everything actually stands: income, spending, assets, debt, all of it What's coming up in the next three to five years and why that question matters more than any abstract retirement calculation Why teaching a 17-year-old about mortgages probably doesn't stick and what actually does The one thing traditional savings accounts do really well (hint: it's great for banks, not for you) Why your behavior matters more than your math and what to do about it On protecting what you're building: The insurance mistake most people make: spending too much protecting low-probability events and too little protecting high-probability ones Why disability insurance is more expensive than life insurance and what that price difference is actually telling you When improving your credit score should not be your priority (this one surprises people) Why debt is never really "good," just occasionally less bad On growing your money: What an investment philosophy actually is and why you need one before you pick a single fund The behavioral biases — recency bias, loss aversion, the availability heuristic — that make smart people do dumb things with their portfolios Why nobody ever thinks they're panicking. They just think the circumstances changed. Why taxes are a year-round event, not a February problem The financial media teaches you to chase. New strategy, hot sector, better fund. But the research keeps landing in the same place: most investors' biggest obstacle isn't information. It's themselves. The curriculum that actually helps isn't the one that covers the most ground. It's the one that connects to your real life, your real timeline, and the emotional triggers that quietly blow up even the best-laid plans. Start there. Everything else builds on top. Rubin joins the crew for the first time and immediately plays trivia on Jesse Cramer's behalf — which feels both generous and karmic, given that Jesse and his wife Kelly just welcomed a new baby into the world (on Jesse's birthday, no less). Doug brings the Eddie Murphy birthday trivia energy. Paula goes on record with a very confident guess. OG applies his usual ironclad logic to arrive at his number. Someone wins. Someone absolutely should not have said what they said out loud before the answer was revealed. MENTIONED / RESOURCES Rubin Miller's blog: fortunesandfrictions.com Peltoma Capital: palomacapital.com Rubin on LinkedIn: search Rubin Miller Paula Pant: Afford Anything podcast, wherever you listen OG's calendar: stackingbenjamins.com/OG Wall Street Journal piece on personal finance requirements by state New to the basement? Subscribe so you never miss an episode — and if this one made you want to finally build your own financial curriculum, that's the whole point. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/looking-at-your-money-report-card-1824 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    1hr 8min
  2. You Don't Need a Big Break to Become a Millionaire -- You Need a Better System (SB1823)

    3 DAYS AGO

    You Don't Need a Big Break to Become a Millionaire -- You Need a Better System (SB1823)

    Bola Sokunbi didn't start with advantages. She started with a $54,000 salary she never negotiated, a rollover IRA mistake that cost her 40% of her savings, a tenant who stopped paying rent for eight months, and a first year of business that generated exactly $200. She's also built one of the most influential personal finance brands in the country and helped millions of people on the path to becoming millionaires. The gap between those two things isn't luck. It's four pillars -- and she walks through all of them today. What You'll Walk Away With The four wealth-building pillars that work in any combination -- and why you only need one to start Why negotiating your salary isn't about being aggressive -- and the simple strategy Bola used to close a gap between $54,000 and the $70,000+ her peers were already making for the same work The rollover IRA mistake that cost Bola nearly 40% of her retirement savings in a single tax year -- and exactly how to avoid it Why the investing pillar isn't just a 401k -- and the specific questions to ask yourself to know if you're actually maximizing it The honest truth about real estate as a wealth-building vehicle -- including what Bola learned from eight months of unpaid rent and a judge who heard everything How to get into real estate investing without ever becoming a landlord The entrepreneurship timeline nobody posts on social media -- and the financial runway strategy that lets you build a business without blowing up your household finances Why the four pillars aren't meant to be pursued one at a time -- and how stacking them together is where the real wealth acceleration happens The one mindset shift that separates people who build wealth from people who keep waiting for the right moment Why starting late is a story we tell ourselves -- and what the math actually says about investors who begin in their 40s or 50s Why This Matters Now If you're in your 40s and you've been doing the right things -- contributing to the 401k, avoiding bad debt, building some savings -- but still feel like the millionaire milestone is someone else's story, this episode is the reframe you didn't know you needed. Wealth at this stage isn't about finding a better investment. It's about understanding which pillars you already have, which ones you're leaving on the table, and how to combine them in a way that fits your actual life. From the Basement Bola Sokunbi joins Joe and OG to walk through the four pillars of her new book, Clever Girl Millionaire -- and yes, the guys are allowed in today. Doug arrives with April Fools trivia involving the Tower of London and a very old prank about lion-washing that somehow still worked on Londoners in 1856. Joe and OG also spend the headline segment making what is either a very compelling case for strategic debt -- or the most elaborate April Fools bit in Stacking Benjamins history. The basement scoreboard had nothing to do with any of it. Resources Mentioned Clever Girl Millionaire by Bola Sokunbi -- available wherever books are sold Clever Girl Finance -- free courses, worksheets, and resources at clevergirlfinance.com Clever Girl Finance on YouTube and Instagram -- @CleverGirlFinance Grind by (coffee shop founder) -- referenced by Joe during the entrepreneurship discussion Stacking Benjamins Scorecard -- assess your financial strategy at stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard Stacking Benjamins Meetups -- find a local group at stackingbenjamins.com/bad Live Show -- Stacking Benjamins and Afford Anything joint live recording, April 7th at Texas A&M Texarkana; details at stackingbenjamins.com/meetup FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/clever-girl-how-to-become-a-millionaire-1823 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    1hr 6min
  3. What to Do With Your Money When the Market Is Scaring Everyone Else (SB1822)

    5 DAYS AGO

    What to Do With Your Money When the Market Is Scaring Everyone Else (SB1822)

    Markets are down. Social media is loud. And somewhere in the back of your mind, a voice is asking if you should do something. That voice has cost investors more money than any bear market in history. Joe and OG dig into what actually separates disciplined investors from everyone panic-refreshing their brokerage account -- and how to build the guardrails that keep you from making the one mistake that derails everything you've built. What You'll Walk Away With Why the average intra-year market decline is 14% -- and what that means for how seriously you should be taking a 5% dip right now The real reason financial news channels make you feel like you need to act -- and how understanding their business model changes everything How to build a simple investment policy statement that removes emotion from the equation before the next market drop hits Why setting arbitrary calendar dates to review your portfolio might be the single most underrated investing strategy available to anyone The case for checking your portfolio less often -- including a real example of how last April's market chaos looked completely different depending on how often you were watching How to set automatic triggers that tell you when it's actually time to rebalance -- so you're never guessing in the middle of a storm A powerful perspective shift: look at your tax returns from 2003 or 2010 and then look at your balance today -- what that exercise does to your decision-making in volatile markets Why your only real job as a long-term investor is to not interrupt the compounding -- and how systems make that easier than willpower ever could A four-factor framework for calculating exactly how much emergency fund you actually need -- built around your income, job stability, reemployment risk, and expense flexibility Why the standard three-to-six month emergency fund rule is the wrong starting point -- and what a personalized risk-based approach looks like instead Why This Matters Now If you're in your 40s and you've been building toward something -- a retirement account that finally has real weight to it, a financial plan that took years to assemble -- a volatile market feels personal. Because it is. The stakes are higher than they were in your 30s and the noise is louder than ever. The investors who come out ahead aren't the ones who reacted fastest. They're the ones who had a plan written down before things got uncomfortable. From the Basement Joe and OG work through what a real investment policy statement looks like in plain language -- rules, triggers, and all. OG and Anna return with the second installment of the financial planning basics series, this time tackling exactly how much emergency fund you need using a four-factor framework that replaces the three-to-six month rule of thumb with something actually built around your life. Doug arrives with insurance trivia that is technically about premiums and practically about Joe's unregistered vehicle situation in Texarkana. Whether the basement scoreboard survived the week is a separate matter entirely. Resources Mentioned JP Morgan Guide to the Markets -- monthly research report tracking S&P 500 returns and intra-year declines (Google "JP Morgan Guide to the Markets" for the latest edition) Stock Market Maestros by Claire Flynn Levy and Lee Freeman-Shor -- referenced throughout; available wherever books are sold SSA.gov -- Social Security earnings history lookup, referenced as a tool for tracking long-term financial progress Stacking Benjamins Scorecard -- rate your overall financial strategy at stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard Stacking Benjamins Vault -- budgeting and net worth tracking tool at stackingbenjamins.com/vault Stacking Benjamins Voicemail -- share your investment policy statement questions at stackingbenjamins.com/voicemail Stacking Benjamins Meetups -- find a group near you at stackingbenjamins.com/bad FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/how-to-protect-your-money-for-when-times-turn-bad-1822/ Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    50 min
  4. Stop Relying on Willpower (Build This Instead) SB1821

    27 MAR

    Stop Relying on Willpower (Build This Instead) SB1821

    Willpower has a terrible track record with money. It works until it doesn't, and then your good intentions are the first thing to go when life gets busy. The investors and savers who actually make consistent progress aren't trying harder. They've built systems that keep running in the background whether they're paying attention or not. Joe Saul-Sehy, OG, Paula Pant, and Jesse Cramer break down the small, repeatable habits that quietly move the needle -- and why simpler usually wins. What You'll Walk Away With Why motivation fades and willpower fails -- and the structural shift that keeps your finances moving forward anyway The real debate between starting small and going big with savings -- and how to know which approach actually sticks for your personality A practical framework for automating your finances so progress happens whether you're paying attention or not When tracking every budget category helps -- and when narrowing your focus to just one creates faster, more lasting wins How to dump a year's worth of spending data into an AI tool and get back a categorized breakdown that surfaces forgotten subscriptions and leaks you've stopped seeing The surprising relief that comes from consolidating accounts -- and why mental buckets sometimes matter more than the actual number of accounts Why brand loyalty and fewer cards aren't just convenient -- they quietly reduce the decision fatigue that erodes financial consistency The "joy budget" reframe that changes how you think about spending -- and makes it easier to spot what's actually worth keeping The shift that changes everything -- from cutting spending to aligning spending with what actually matters to you How small habit changes, repeated without fanfare, compound into financial progress that eventually surprises you Why This Matters Now In your 40s, mental bandwidth is the real scarce resource. Work, family, and a hundred competing priorities mean complicated financial systems tend to break down exactly when you need them most. The edge doesn't come from trying harder -- it comes from simplifying, automating, and setting up defaults that keep working on your busiest days, when you're not thinking about money at all. From the Basement Joe, OG, Paula Pant, and Jesse Cramer trade strategies on building better financial habits while the crew debates whether you should start small or go big -- and nobody agrees. Doug arrives with a Beatles trivia question that shifts the basement scoreboard in ways the current leader did not anticipate. Whether the points hold or the margin call changes everything is a question best answered with your earbuds in. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/diving-into-the-all-weather-portfolio-with-paul-merriman-1821 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    1hr 8min
  5. Even the Pros Are Wrong Half the Time. Here's What They Do Differently SB1820

    25 MAR

    Even the Pros Are Wrong Half the Time. Here's What They Do Differently SB1820

    The best investors in the world are wrong -- a lot. Researchers Claire Flynn Levy and Lee Freeman-Shor spent over a decade studying elite money managers and found that being right about stock picks isn't actually what separates the winners. What separates them is what happens after the pick. The discipline, the rules, the willingness to act when the data changes -- and the ability to remove emotion from decisions most people make entirely on feeling. What You'll Walk Away With Why top investors can be wrong more than half the time and still dramatically outperform -- and what that means for how you evaluate your own strategy The critical shift from obsessing over what to buy to building a repeatable process around what you do next Three behavioral tribes investors fall into when a position moves against them -- and which one quietly destroys long-term returns Two distinct ways investors handle winning positions -- and why the more comfortable approach tends to leave serious money on the table How elite investors use predefined rules to decide when to sell, trim, or hold -- and why removing emotion from that decision is the whole game A real-world example of a rules-based system built around earnings surprises and data-driven holding periods -- one you can actually learn from Why planting tiny "seed" positions can preserve massive upside while keeping risk almost invisible on the downside The hidden cost of a pattern so common it barely registers -- holding losers too long while cutting winners too early What makes China's market behave unlike anywhere else -- and how one maestro built an entire strategy around it The AI cautionary tale hiding inside this episode -- a real advisor, a real client presentation, and math that was off by a factor of 12 Why This Matters Now For investors in their 40s, the goal quietly shifts. Finding the next big winner starts to matter less than building something that actually holds up over time. Markets feel noisier, AI tools feel more powerful, and the promise of faster answers has never been louder. But long-term results still come down to behavior, discipline, and repeatable systems -- the same unglamorous edge the pros have been using all along. Knowing that changes how you listen to the noise. From the Basement Joe and OG press Claire and Lee on what a decade of studying elite investors actually reveals -- and the answers are more behavioral than most people expect. The crew then turns to AI in financial advice, and OG shares a story that should give every advisor and DIY investor pause before they hit send on anything they haven't personally verified. Doug arrives with a trivia question that somehow connects Michael Jackson's moonwalk to one giant leap for your bragging rights. Whether the basement scoreboard sticks the landing is best discovered with your earbuds in. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/diving-deep-into-stock-market-research-1820 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    1hr 10min
  6. The Real Return on Your Emergency Fund Has Nothing to Do With Interest Rates SB1819

    23 MAR

    The Real Return on Your Emergency Fund Has Nothing to Do With Interest Rates SB1819

    If your emergency fund feels like it's just sitting there doing nothing, you might be measuring the wrong thing. The real return on cash isn't the yield -- it's what that cash helps you avoid. Panic selling during a downturn. High-interest debt after an unexpected bill. Tapping your 401(k) at exactly the wrong moment. Joe and OG reframe emergency savings not as a financial placeholder, but as a strategic asset quietly holding your entire plan together. What You'll Walk Away With Why your emergency fund may be one of the highest-impact moves in your financial life -- even when the yield looks embarrassingly boring How cash on hand protects your long-term investments by keeping emotional, costly decisions off the table during market swings The overlooked way a strong emergency fund can actually lower your overall costs -- starting with how you think about insurance deductibles A side-by-side look at where to keep your cash -- high-yield savings, CDs, money markets, Treasuries -- and what actually matters when choosing How to weigh liquidity, safety, taxes, and yield without falling into the trap of endlessly optimizing something that should stay simple Why chasing marginally better rates or bank bonuses often creates more friction than financial value A practical way to use AI tools to pressure-test your cash strategy without turning it into a part-time job How CD laddering and Treasury options like SGOV can fit into a modern emergency fund without overcomplicating the approach The "good enough" mindset that quietly outperforms the constant optimization trap -- and why it's harder to embrace than it sounds A five-column cash flow framework that cuts through the noise and reveals the one number driving your entire financial picture Why This Matters Now In your 40s, financial decisions don't happen in isolation -- they stack. You're managing growth, protection, and flexibility at the same time, often with less margin for error than you'd like. Cash can feel like a drag when markets are moving and rates look modest. But the right emergency fund creates options, absorbs shocks, and quietly makes every other part of your plan more resilient. It's not idle. It's infrastructure. From the Basement Joe and OG dig into what your emergency fund is actually doing -- and it turns out the math goes well beyond the interest rate on the tin. OG and Anna close out the show with the second installment of the new financial planning basics series, walking through a five-column cash flow system simple enough to sketch on a napkin but powerful enough to anchor your entire plan. Doug arrives with elevator trivia that's smoother than the ride up. Whether the scoreboard moves is a conversation best had with your earbuds in. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/how-to-get-the-most-out-of-your-emergency-fund-1819 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    1hr 6min
  7. How to Build a Financial Plan That Holds Up When Life Doesn't SB1818

    20 MAR

    How to Build a Financial Plan That Holds Up When Life Doesn't SB1818

    Your financial plan is only as good as what happens to it under pressure. A market drop. A job loss. An inflation spike that turns "fine" into "wait, what?" Most portfolios are quietly optimized for the good times, and that's exactly why they crack when things get uncomfortable. This week, Joe, Paula, Jesse, and special guest Paul Merriman aren't chasing the highest returns. They're building for something harder: a system that doesn't force bad decisions when everything around it is going sideways. Because the real test of your plan was never the bull market. It's right now. Paula Pant — Afford Anything host and career-flexibility advocate. Jesse Cramer — Host of Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors and someone who clearly plays the long game in more ways than one. Paul Merriman — Longtime investor, educator, and the person in the room who's seen enough market cycles to stop being impressed by any single one of them. On building a portfolio that doesn't quit: Why the "sports car" portfolio feels exciting and quietly raises the odds you'll blow up your plan at the exact wrong moment The real definition of all-weather investing: built for resilience, not bragging rights How diversification feels like it's failing right before it does exactly what it's supposed to do Why index funds have a built-in self-cleaning mechanism most investors never think about The behavioral trap of performance-chasing and how it causes permanent damage, not just temporary losses On the parts of your plan that aren't your portfolio: Why your investment strategy alone isn't a financial plan and how cash reserves, insurance, and income stability complete the system The often-skipped roles of disability and umbrella insurance in protecting everything you've built How to think about job-loss risk in a world reshaped by AI and shifting careers Why negotiation skills and career flexibility might matter more to your long-term security than picking the "right" fund On measuring success differently: A better scorecard for your financial plan: not just returns, but whether it survives the next storm without forcing a bad call If you're in your 40s, the math has changed. You've built real momentum, which means a major mistake costs more than it used to, and there's less runway to recover. Markets are unpredictable, job security looks different than it did a decade ago, and the financial media is a constant nudge toward reacting to something. An all-weather approach doesn't try to predict what's coming. It prepares for it. The goal shifts from winning every season to still being in the game when the weather turns, and that shift makes all the difference when things actually get hard. OG's chair is empty this week, but Paul Merriman is a more than worthy substitute, joining Joe, Paula, and Jesse to trade ideas on portfolios built to take a punch. Doug holds down the trivia desk, and let's just say the leaderboard gets an interesting update. Somewhere between market wisdom and basement bragging rights, the point lands: you don't need to win every season. You just need a plan that doesn't fall apart when the weather does. New to the basement? Subscribe so you never miss an episode, and leave a review if this one helped you stop optimizing for the wrong thing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    1hr 10min
  8. What to Build After You Hit "The Retirement Number" (SB1817)

    18 MAR

    What to Build After You Hit "The Retirement Number" (SB1817)

    What if reaching financial independence was the easy part? Amy Minkley spent years optimizing toward her number — then hit it and discovered something nobody's spreadsheet prepares you for: freedom without purpose feels surprisingly empty. She joins Joe and OG to talk about what actually fills the gap: community, meaning, and building something instead of just escaping something. Then the basement crew gets practical. Because even the most purpose-driven life still needs its foundations. Joe and OG break down the one emergency fund mistake that quietly undoes years of good planning — and how to fix it before it matters. Amy Minkley — FI traveler, community builder, and living proof that the goal was never really the number. On redefining FI: Why "hit the number and quit" is being quietly replaced by something more sustainable — and more honest The unexpected emptiness many people feel after reaching FI, and what actually fills it Why retirement works better as a redesign than an escape How building something — not just saving something — creates momentum, meaning, and sometimes new income Why real financial confidence comes from community and conversation more than any spreadsheet On emergency funds (the part everyone gets wrong): Why your emergency fund should be built around essential expenses — not income — and how that one shift changes everything The two factors most people skip entirely: job stability and realistic income-replacement timeline Why credit lines tend to fail you at exactly the wrong moment The right range for emergency savings — and how to avoid the trap of holding too much cash "just in case" For a lot of people in their 40s, the question has quietly shifted from "Can I retire someday?" to "What am I actually building?" FI isn't just an escape from work anymore — it's a design problem. And the people figuring it out fastest are the ones pairing big-picture purpose with boring-but-critical foundations: the right emergency fund, the right community, and a clear answer to what they're running toward. Doug arrives with trivia and — in a surprise result — silver has a moment. Joe and OG tie Amy's story back to the practical stuff, because the most intentional life still needs a financial floor underneath it. Whether you're chasing FI, redefining it, or just trying to understand your emergency fund math, the basement crew has you covered. Amy's retreat: https://fifreedomretreats.com Subscribe so you never miss an episode. Leave a review if the basement has ever saved you from a bad financial decision. (You know who you are.) FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/your-journey-to-fi-with-amy-minkley-1817 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Named the Best Personal Finance Podcast by Bankrate.com and Kiplinger, The Stacking Benjamins Show features a light and friendly tone. Hosts Joe Saul-Sehy and OG aim to make financial literacy fun for all as they sit around the card table in Joe's Mom's half-finished basement and talk with experts about personal finance, saving, investing, and important money trends. As Fast Company once wrote, the Stacking Benjamins podcast "strikes a great balance of fun and functional." So join Joe and OG every Monday, Wednesday and Friday as they read your letters, discuss major headlines, and throw in some trivia and laughs for free.

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