When I went back and edited this episode with my guest, filmmaker Tom Koch, I realized: he's doing a color series of films! To put that much thought into his work as well as have the creative control to name his films is the perfect way to describe Tom: extraordinarily thoughtful, humble, and a guy capable of doing anything in his films: acting, writing, directing, accents, ballet even! His latest film, OLIVE (2025) is an absolute treat -- the logline "while caring for grandma, Sam, the character played by Tom -- begins to question the nature of their relationship" -- and it shows his mastery of the craft. He even knows war films, which is my unique quality. If he ever gets into indie film podcasting, I can't say I wasn't warned about how great he'd be. In this episode, Tom and I talk about: save some talent for the rest of us, Tom -- acting, writing, producing, directing, ballet?!;how he got started in acting;how his approach evolved from ORANGE (2024) to OLIVE (2025);writing a script and playing a character you weren't expecting to play;when writing, directing, and acting becomes a bit too much in indie films;the challenges of casting in a world that cares more about celebrity and follower count than actual talent;how much being a stage actor matters;what does he look for in actors when he's casting his own projects;the best way to think about OLIVE before watching;what excites him about "telling stories with a twist", the motto of his production company;the festival circuit for his films and what advice he has for film festivals;what he's working on now and when people can expect to see OLIVE;whether we'll see him behind a camera and his great eye for war films. Tom's Indie Film Highlight: AMOUR (2012) dir. by Michael Haneke; THE PIANO TEACHER (2001) dir. by Michael Haneke; THE WHITE RIBBON (2009) dir. by Michael Haneke; WARFARE (2025) dir. by Ray Mendoza; Alex Garland Memorable Quotes: "Nobody saw a stage play or school play of mine...when I was seven and said, oh, that kid." "The big thing that I changed for OLIVE was that ORANGE was really a proof of concept." About acting in OLIVE: "And there was a part of me that thought it would make things easier because I didn't have to find an actor and I didn't have to tell them what Sam was, in a way." "Sadly we're in a world now where we're competing with so many different productions and so many different artists, and funding for film is getting a bit harder because I don't know if people trust the medium as much as before." More about acting: "It's one of the only jobs where people get placed in it out of nowhere when it requires so much training and people go to school for four years to...get better at acting and do like classical work. You would never do that with an athlete." "I don't think it's necessary to do stage to be a great screen actor." "You can take a little bit more liberties with a short...people are not really behind your butt saying oh, you can't write this, you can't write that. Oh, you have to change the ending because you're you're doing your own thing. So it's perfect for that." "It's a very hard and tedious process where the cards are not in your hands and you work for a year on something that you create with a group of people. You put it on a Vimeo link and you pray." "They've watched thousands of films and they picked a few, and they're like, go watch those." "I feel like the more I act, the better director I can become." Links: Follow Tom On Instagram Follow OLIVE On Instagram Watch ORANGE Now Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/first-time-go/exclusive-content
