Growing the Future

Dan Aberhart , Terry Aberhart

CONVERSATIONS THAT MATTER. 

 The Growing the Future Podcast features conversations on innovation, entrepreneurship, and personal and professional growth in the agriculture community.

  1. Saskatchewan Farmland: Peak, Pause or Pullback?

    2 HR AGO

    Saskatchewan Farmland: Peak, Pause or Pullback?

    Back in June 2025, Trent Klarenbach of Klarenbach Research did something nobody had done before. He charted Saskatchewan farmland values going back a hundred years and applied technical analysis to what he found. The chart went viral on YouTube. 52,000 views. And for good reason. The RSI had been signaling overbought conditions for over thirteen years. Previous times the market crossed that line and broke below the two-year exponential moving average, the results were not subtle. A 54% drop after 1922. A 22% drop after 1968. A 60% drop after 1982. Those aren't predictions. That's the historical record. Most people buying land today have never seen it. Tim Hammond runs Hammond Realty. He's been on the floor of the Saskatchewan farmland market since 2002. He manages 80,000 acres for investors, negotiates rental agreements, and watches the bid sheets on every tender. What he's seeing right now is something he hasn't seen before. A split market. Good land in a good area still moving. Average land struggling. Inventory quietly doubling. The spread between the top bid and the second bid widening from close together to five, ten, fifteen percent apart. The top bid is still setting records. But Tim's point is that land is only worth what the second highest bidder will pay. And that depth is getting thinner. This is not a doom and gloom conversation. Saskatchewan farmers hold somewhere around 65 billion dollars of farmland free and clear. The balance sheets are strong. The ag lenders are still positive. If there's a correction, Tim thinks agriculture can absorb the first 15 to 20 percent without a cascade. The question is where it goes from there. That's the conversation this episode holds. What the chart says, what the ground says, and what it means for the decisions you're making right now. Guests Trent Klarenbach — Klarenbach Research. Technical analyst. The first person known to have charted Saskatchewan farmland values across a hundred years of data. Tim Hammond — Founder and CEO, Hammond Realty. Agricultural real estate specialist, former ag lender, manages land for sophisticated investors across Saskatchewan. Timestamps 00:00 — Dan sets the stage. The Robert Angelic webinar in January, tightening capital conditions, and why this conversation needed to happen. 04:00 — The Klarenbach Research farmland study. 52,000 YouTube views. What happens when you apply a hundred years of technical analysis to land values for the first time. 05:00 — Introducing Trent Klarenbach and Tim Hammond. 08:34 — Live audience poll: where do you think Saskatchewan farmland values are headed? Results reveal a split room. 11:50 — Trent walks through the chart. RSI, the two-year exponential moving average, and what the historical pullbacks actually looked like. 54% in 1922. 22% in 1968. 60% in 1982. 13:00 — What overbought actually means and why the RSI can stay elevated for years before anything moves. 15:00 — Tim on what the chart means personally. His great-grandfather handed back the keys in 1933 when land values had halved. The Hammond family's hundred years of farming mapped almost exactly onto Trent's cycle lines. 17:00 — What Dan took from the chart that nobody talks about at the kitchen table. 18:00 — Tim on what he's seeing on the ground right now. The split market. Good land still competitive. Average land going sideways or down. The first split he's seen since 2002. 20:00 — Second live poll on local market conditions. 52% say steady but not as aggressive. 30% still seeing competitive multiple-bid situations. 12% starting to see softening. 21:30 — Inventory. How much farmland has come to market since January and what the doubling of listings actually means in context of one per rural municipality. 23:00 — The bid depth problem. Tenders that used to get ten offers are now getting two or three. The spread between top bid and second bid is widening. What that means for actual land values beneath the headline numbers. 26:00 — Trent on the catalysts that could trigger a trend change. Credit tightening, geopolitics, commodity cycles, retiring farmers reconsidering their position. 30:00 — The long-term buyer question. Tim's dad bought land in 1981 at 80,000 a quarter. It took 27 years to look like a great investment. He still has it. 33:00 — What a 33-year wait looks like depending on your age and whether you can survive the cycle. Trent on what happened to the people who couldn't. 34:00 — If there is a pullback, what does buying the dip actually look like and who has the dry powder to do it. 38:00 — Tim's cell signal. What price movement would actually constitute a sell signal on Trent's chart and how close we may or may not be to that line. 39:00 — The retired farmer wildcard. 30 to 40 percent of Saskatchewan farmland is held by retired farmers and farm families who stopped selling when the asset kept appreciating. What happens if that calculus changes. 42:00 — Audience poll: do you believe technical analysis has value for farmland decisions? 64% say somewhat useful but not definitive. 20% say yes, charts reveal important signals. 16% say farmland is different from other markets. 43:00 — The shift from expansion to efficiency. Why buyers are getting stronger instead of bigger. 45:00 — Rental rates. Poll results: 43% say increasing, 40% holding steady, 11% starting to soften. Tim on managing 80,000 acres of rental agreements and what he's seeing in renegotiations this year for the first time. 49:00 — Rent versus land value. When you're getting 1% on an asset that might start declining, when does the math change? 51:00 — How much Saskatchewan farmland is rented versus owner-operated. Tim's gut on the percentage turns out to be almost exactly right. 53:00 — Rent versus purchase in a tighter market. Why locking in for three years looks different than committing for twenty. 54:00 — Credit conditions and balance sheets. Tim on whether he's seen lenders kill deals yet and what the equity cushion actually looks like. 57:00 — Nutrient mining clauses in rental agreements. Are landlords enforcing them? 58:00 — 42.1% of Saskatchewan farmland is free and clear. What that number means in dollars. 59:00 — Are boomers selling? Why the transfer of farmland may matter as much to the market as new buyers entering it. 01:01:00 — Trent on where he's taking the research next. An announcement coming. Subscribe to find out. 01:02:00 — The next generation question. What happens to the land when the people who said they didn't want it are the ones who inherit it. Connect with Trent Klarenbach klarenbachresearch.com — subscribe to the free newsletter to receive the farmland study directly Connect with Tim Hammond and Hammond Realty hammondrealty.ca Connect with Growing the Future growingthefuture.ca Register for the Convergence Conference at convergence.ag and stay updated by subscribing to the Growing the Future Podcast at growingthefuturepodcast.ca.

    1h 6m
  2. Is Your Farm Capital Defended?

    20 HR AGO

    Is Your Farm Capital Defended?

    Most farm families in Western Canada have built more wealth over the past two decades than any generation before them on the land. A lot of it is sitting in the ground. And that concentration, it turns out, is quietly creating a set of problems most producers have never been introduced to. This session brought the Kohr Wealth team to the Growing the Future Productions live room. Ryan Hillstead, a CPA who spent 16 years in public practice carrying a heavy ag book, walked through three client stories that stopped people cold. Shane Shepherd laid out how whole life insurance works as something you own, not just something you pay for. And tax lawyer Kelly Caruk explained why buying insurance in the wrong place can cost you the very tax advantages you were trying to protect. The conversation also got into what Ryan calls the tax liability can. The one being kicked down the road from generation to generation, growing in step with every acre of appreciating land. Somebody's eventually going to pick it up. This conversation is about making sure there's a plan when they do. Guests: Larry Scammel, Shane Shepherd, Ryan Hillstead, Kelly Caruk — Kohr Wealth Timestamps: 00:00 — Welcome and setup. Why capital concentrated in one asset class can narrow your options across generations. 03:52 — Larry introduces Kohr Wealth, their new partnership with Blue Star Equity, and their two beer rule for working with clients. 06:30 — How Kohr approaches life insurance from a balance sheet perspective. Liquidity, tax exposure, succession, long-term family control. 08:22 — Ryan Hillstead introduces himself. 16 years as a CPA in public practice, partner level with a national firm, heavy ag client base across Saskatchewan. 09:39 — How agriculture has changed in 15 years. Land values, technology, and the shift toward viewing farming as a wealth-building business. 11:42 — The $50 billion of farmland set to transfer in the next decade and why succession conversations have taken over the kitchen table. 12:58 — The disappearing tax tools. TOSI rules, passive income changes, income splitting restrictions, and the removal of surplus strip planning in 2024. 19:00 — Ryan's three client stories. Uncle Gordon. Rod. The estate freeze family with farming and non-farming kids at the same table. 21:05 — Uncle Gordon did everything right. Died with a $4 million investment portfolio. The tax bill on his land ate the whole thing. 23:09 — Rod sold the farm when no one wanted to take it over. Year three, he came in looking deflated. Said he wished he had never done it. 24:40 — The estate freeze family. $40 million corporation. Mom and dad hold preferred shares. The farm may have to sell land just to cover the tax bill when they pass. 30:56 — Shane Shepherd explains whole life insurance. What cash value is, how it builds, and why it behaves differently than anything else on your balance sheet. 33:37 — The farmland analogy. You don't sell the land to access the equity. Whole life works the same way. 38:10 — Kelly Caruk on the tax architecture. Why insurance is taxed differently than almost every other asset class, what capital dividends are, and why structure matters before anything else. 43:50 — The risk of buying insurance in the wrong place. For farm families specifically, a wrong structure can cost you the farming tax preferences you would otherwise have. 48:52 — Audience question: Can insurance companies go broke in Canada? Shane answers. Kelly adds the regulatory backstop. 51:28 — Ryan on the intergenerational tax liability. Generations kicking the can down the road. What it looks like when somebody finally has to pick it up. 54:55 — Shane closes. Tax tools have narrowed. Timing matters. Capital structure is as important as the amount of capital you have. 58:59 — Audience Q&A on preferred shares and estate freezes. Ryan and Kelly explain what preferred shares actually are and how insurance can reduce the estate tax bill, not just fund it. Connect with Kohr Wealth: kohrwealth.com Connect with Growing the Future: growingthefuture.ca Register for the Convergence Conference at convergence.ag and stay updated by subscribing to the Growing the Future Podcast at growingthefuturepodcast.ca.

    1h 8m
  3. Engineer Your Revenue Floor Before You Seed

    2 DAYS AGO

    Engineer Your Revenue Floor Before You Seed

    Now I have the full transcript. Let me create the podcast summary and notes optimized for Simplecast and YouTube. Episode Summary (for the Simplecast summary field): When nothing you can grow in 2026 is projected to make money at average yields and average prices … what do you do? In this live workshop, Dan Aberhart sits down with Dave Sullivan from Global Ag Risk Solutions, Dean Klippenstine from MNP, and producer Jake Leguee to break down the farm financials, benchmark the best operators, and engineer a revenue floor before you seed a single acre. Dave walks through real spreadsheets showing break-even costs have more than doubled since 2010, why the largest crop in Canadian history barely generated a profit, and what the top 25% of managers are doing differently. The panel digs into how to stack crop insurance, AgriStability, and GARS products — including the brand new Yield Plus option — so you can farm with confidence even in a year where the math says you shouldn't be able to. If you only listen to one episode before spring, make it this one. Episode Notes (with timestamps, formatted for Simplecast markdown and YouTube description): Engineer Your Revenue Floor Before You Seed Season 8, Episode 6 The margins are tight. The projections are grim. And spring is coming whether you're ready or not. In this live workshop with nearly 300 registered producers, we cut through the noise and get to the numbers that matter. Panel: Dave Sullivan — Global Ag Risk Solutions Dean Klippenstine — MNP Jake Leguee — Leguee Farms Timestamps: [00:00:00] Welcome and why this workshop exists — the financial questions stacking up at the kitchen table [00:02:55] Setting the stage — projections showing $25–$50/acre below break-even at average yields and prices [00:04:37] Dave Sullivan shares what he's seeing across thousands of farm financials — and why having a common vernacular matters [00:10:30] Break-even costs over time — how we went from $250 to $550/acre in 16 years [00:13:19] The 2026 budget reality — $50–$75/acre losses on average, and why we haven't seen a starting point this tough since 2007–2008 [00:17:19] Top producers vs. top managers — why the most profitable farms aren't always the biggest spenders on inputs [00:20:39] Southeast Saskatchewan benchmarks — the massive gap between top and bottom 25% and where it actually shows up (hint: it's LPM, not inputs) [00:25:07] Jake Leguee on scouting, holding back that extra pass, and why spending more doesn't always mean earning more [00:26:27] Dean Klippenstine busts the "fixed cost" myth — why that term needs to go [00:27:33] Yield Plus explained — the brand new GARS product that layers crop insurance into the calculation and can save 40–70% on premiums [00:30:26] Stacking your coverage — how to combine crop insurance, AgriStability, GARS, and GI-3 for the right fit on YOUR farm [00:34:46] Why locking in canola at this rally matters — and the futures strategy conversation [00:39:46] The AgriStability cashflow trap — great on a spreadsheet, but can you wait 12–18 months for the check? [00:44:00] The "trough of despair" — why a 70% crop can actually pay better than a 90% crop when your coverage is stacked right [00:49:23] Quotes move fast — why your GARS quote is only good until something weird happens (and weird things are happening a lot these days) [00:54:52] How GARS treats futures contracts, delivery contracts, and trade accounts [00:59:43] Why relationships with the right experts are the real competitive advantage [01:00:50] Final takeaways — know your numbers, understand your options, and get yourself on the right side of the distribution curve Key Takeaway: The gap between the top 25% and bottom 25% of farms is massive — and it's not about spending more on inputs. It's about knowing your numbers, controlling your LPM, benchmarking against your region, and engineering a financial floor before you ever hit the field. This is the year to get that right. Resources mentioned: Global Ag Risk Solutions: agrisksolutions.ca MNP Benchmarking GARS Yield Plus product (new for 2026) AgriStability & provincial crop insurance programs Register for the Convergence Conference at convergenceconference.ca and stay updated by subscribing to the Growing the Future Podcast at growingthefuturepodcast.ca Register for the Convergence Conference at convergence.ag and stay updated by subscribing to the Growing the Future Podcast at growingthefuturepodcast.ca.

    1h 33m
  4. Liquidity and Legacy

    12 FEB

    Liquidity and Legacy

    Liquidity & Legacy With Ted Cawkwell, The Cawkwell Group Farm balance sheets may look strong on paper. But beneath the surface, lending behavior is changing, capital is more disciplined, and the margin for error is narrowing. In this live conversation, Dan and Ted discuss: Why profitable farms can still experience financial pressure The difference between strategic sales and forced sales How liquidity issues surface before they become obvious What well-prepared farm operations tend to have in common Why “just hold the land” isn’t always a complete strategy Ted works directly with farm families, lenders, and advisors across Western Canada and beyond. As the #1 RE/MAX farmland realtor globally, he has been involved in hundreds of farmland transactions and sees patterns long before they become headlines. This episode is not about predictions. It’s about structure, positioning, and understanding how capital behaves when conditions shift. Chapters / Timestamps  00:00 – Introduction & why this conversation matters  02:30 – Market sentiment vs. reality on farmland values  06:45 – What’s changed recently in buyer and seller behavior  12:30 – Profitability, cash flow, and leverage pressures  18:00 – Liquidity vs. legacy: real tradeoffs  26:00 – Investor behavior, rental land, and capital availability  34:00 – Risk, balance sheets, and selling strategically  42:00 – Productive vs. marginal land dynamics  50:30 – Perspective, cycles, and long-term thinking Register for the Convergence Conference at convergence.ag and stay updated by subscribing to the Growing the Future Podcast at growingthefuturepodcast.ca.

    57 min
  5. What Happens When Capital Tightens? | Live Q&A with Canada’s Largest Farmland Owner

    1 FEB

    What Happens When Capital Tightens? | Live Q&A with Canada’s Largest Farmland Owner

    This is Part 3 of a three-part live conversation with Robert Andjelic, Canada’s largest farmland owner and this is where the discussion got real.  No slides.  No prepared remarks.  Just live questions from producers, lenders, and operators trying to understand what happens when capital tightens.  In this session, Robert responds to questions about:  – Cash flow vs land value  – How banks actually behave when risk rises  – Why liquidity disappears before prices fall  – What breaks first when leverage is stretched  – How operators protect the land when margins compress  – And why “survival” is not failure, it’s strategy  Several moments in this Q&A landed hard, including Robert’s blunt reminder: “Your balance sheet won’t save you if your cash flow breaks.” This conversation isn’t theory. It’s lived experience, shared in real time. 00:00 Part 3 - Audience Q&A & Closing 05:40 Banking Relationships and Financial Advice 12:01 Global Agriculture and Market Dynamics 33:30 Cryptocurrency and AI in Agriculture 41:21 The Inevitability of War and Global Tensions 41:46 China's Ambitions and Global Power Dynamics 42:34 Climate Change and Carbon Credits 44:51 Agricultural Financing and Real Estate 51:42 Interest Rates and Economic Predictions 56:35 Farmland Investment Strategies 01:06:19 Global Trade and Agricultural Competitiveness 01:23:48 Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts   Register for the Convergence Conference at convergence.ag and stay updated by subscribing to the Growing the Future Podcast at growingthefuturepodcast.ca.

    1h 35m
  6. Is There a Capital Squeeze in Ag?

    9 JAN

    Is There a Capital Squeeze in Ag?

    Is There a Capital Squeeze in Agriculture?In this special live episode, Dan Aberhart sits down with Robert Andjelic to explore a question many producers are quietly asking: Is capital tightening around agriculture — and if so, why now? This is not a prediction episode and not financial advice. It’s a first-principles conversation about how credit systems work, what lenders are responding to, and why agriculture is being affected indirectly by pressures elsewhere in the economy. In this episode, we cover:Why banks are under pressure — and why agriculture is not the problem How commercial real estate, shadow banking, and regulation affect farm credit Where we are in the broader economic and capital cycle Why capital availability matters more than interest rates How agriculture differs from other asset classes during downturns Why preparation and clarity matter more than prediction Robert also shares perspective from decades of experience across commercial real estate, capital markets, and farmland investing — including why he believes agriculture remains one of the strongest long-term sectors, even as conditions tighten. This episode is Part One of a two-part seriesPart One: Understanding the capital environment and why this time is different Part Two: What to do next — practical preparation, lender conversations, and positioning If you operate a farm, ag business, or work closely with agricultural finance, this episode is designed to help you think more clearly about the environment ahead — without panic, and without noise. Register for the Convergence Conference at convergence.ag and stay updated by subscribing to the Growing the Future Podcast at growingthefuturepodcast.ca.

    43 min

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 The Growing the Future Podcast features conversations on innovation, entrepreneurship, and personal and professional growth in the agriculture community.

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