Ben on OKRs

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Ben on OKRs is a practical, real-world (and FUN) podcast hosted by Ben Lamorte, the founder of OKRs.com. Ben wrote The OKRs Field Book in 2022, the first book dedicated to the field of OKRs coaching. In fact, it's been rumored that Ben is the most experienced OKR coach on the planet. Ben shares insights from mentoring 50+ OKR coaches and working with 300+ organizations to help leaders turn OKRs into a powerful execution system to drive focus, alignment, and bottom-line results. This podcast is designed for: Executives and senior leaders Strategy and operations professionals HR and transformation leaders Agile coaches looking to broaden their skill set Managers responsible for execution and alignment Anyone implementing or improving OKRs You’ll learn: Why OKRs fail and what to do about that How to leverage AI to 10x OKR execution How to write meaningful, outcome-driven OKRs How to align teams around strategy How to run effective OKR cycles How to turn OKRs into a sustainable execution system Contact: Ben@OKRs.com

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    How OKRs and KPIs Work Together to Drive Performance (8/10)

    Many organizations already track KPIs and wonder whether OKRs replace them, duplicate them, or conflict with them. In this episode, Ben explains why this is a false choice. OKRs and KPIs work together. The key is understanding how they differ and how they connect. High Level Overview KPIs do not have a universal definition. Some companies call every metric a KPI. Others use KPIs only for performance evaluation or compensation. Some track a few KPIs, others track thousands. Key results, however, do have a clear definition. A key result answers the question: How will we know we have made measurable progress on a specific objective by a certain date OKRs focus attention. KPIs monitor performance. How OKRs and KPIs Work Together A KPI becomes a key result when it is the focus for near term improvement. A KPI becomes a health metric when it is important to monitor but not the focus right now. Metric key results typically move a KPI from X to Y within a timeframe. Milestone key results may not directly move a KPI but are designed to influence one in the future. Example: Objective: Achieve financial targets Key Results: Double revenue from 5M to 10M Increase gross margin from 20 percent to 25 percent Increase recurring revenue from 400K to 600K Each key result moves a KPI. Metric Versus Milestone Key Results Metric key results directly move a KPI. Milestone key results create future impact on a KPI. Example: Objective: Make growth more sustainable Key Results: Launch marketing automation system Reduce marketing cost per lead from 100 to 95 The first is a milestone. The second is tied directly to a KPI. Key Differences Between KPIs and Key Results Defined in context of an objective Key results are always tied to an objective. KPIs often appear as standalone metrics. Linked to compensation KPIs are often tied to bonuses. OKRs should not be used to calculate compensation. Visibility KPIs are sometimes private. OKRs are typically visible across the organization to promote alignment. Maintenance versus improvement KPIs monitor performance. Key results drive improvement. Timeframe KPIs may be ongoing with no deadline. Key results always include a timeframe. Cross functional alignment KPIs often measure a single team. OKRs often align multiple teams toward shared outcomes. Controllability KPIs are often fully controllable by a single team. Key results may involve dependencies and stretch beyond direct control. Origin KPIs often come from leadership. Key results often emerge through collaboration between leadership and teams. Practical Guidance OKRs and KPIs are complementary not competing A KPI is a key result when it becomes the focus for near term improvement A KPI is a health metric when it is monitored but not actively improved Use clear training examples to help teams distinguish KPIs from key results Contact Ben@OKRs for a free 1:1 OKR Consult!

    13 min
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    How do we relate OKRs to performance reviews? (7/10)

    One of the most sensitive and important decisions in any OKR implementation is how OKRs relate to performance reviews and compensation. Get this wrong and you risk undermining trust, discouraging stretch thinking, and weakening your entire OKR program. Ben explains how OKRs and performance management should be distinct but related and why finding the right balance matters. Two Wrong Answers to Avoid Wrong Answer 1: OKRs are the performance management system OKRs are designed to encourage stretch thinking and learning. If OKRs determine compensation or performance ratings, employees will naturally set safer goals and avoid stretch outcomes. This weakens the entire purpose of OKRs. To prevent confusion, avoid starting with individual level OKRs and be cautious when using HR tools that combine OKRs and performance reviews in one system. Wrong Answer 2: OKRs have nothing to do with performance OKRs should not be isolated from performance discussions. They should inform coaching, reflection, and development. The goal is not separation but alignment. OKRs and performance management should be distinct but connected. Principle 1 Include OKRs in performance discussions through structured coaching questions OKRs help individuals focus, learn, and improve. Many organizations incorporate OKRs into performance conversations using structured reflection questions such as: Impact — Which key results did you most influence Focus — How did OKRs help you prioritize your work Communication — How did OKRs improve alignment and collaboration Learning — What did you learn and how will you apply it Some organizations hold separate OKR and performance conversations. This separation often strengthens clarity and increases meaningful manager employee dialogue throughout the year. Principle 2 Do not use key result scores to calculate bonuses Compensation should not be based on whether a key result is scored commit target or stretch. Linking scores to compensation encourages low targets and weakens stretch thinking. However, the value of a metric may still influence compensation. For example: Revenue growth may impact bonuses based on actual results not the score Some key results may not connect to compensation at all but remain critical for learning and improvement The distinction is subtle but essential. Scores guide learning and expectations not compensation. Practical Guidance Do Engage HR leadership and executive sponsors early Understand the current performance management system Incorporate OKRs into performance conversations through structured questions Do Not Use key result scores to calculate bonuses Launch OKRs and a new performance system at the same time Begin with individual level OKRs which can blur the distinction between OKRs and evaluation Done correctly, OKRs strengthen coaching, learning, and alignment without becoming a performance rating system. This balance enables teams to pursue ambitious goals while maintaining trust, clarity, and long term execution strength. Request your free 1:1 Consult via Ben@OKRs.com

    11 min
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    What are the 3 types of KRs? What about milestone KRs? (5/10)

    So many OKR coaches will tell you that Milestones need to be avoided at all costs. KRs must have a number or they are terrible! But hold on, what does Ben think? Learn about the 3 types of Key Results and think through whether or not you should allow Milestones! There are three types of key results: metric, baseline, and milestone. Metric key results are the most common. They look like “move metric A from X to Y.” Baseline key results are used when X is not being measured and your client seeks a metric to reflect progress on a given objective. Your client should only put in the effort to establish a baseline if they expect to use that baseline as the starting point for a metric key result in a future OKRs cycle. Most leadership teams define a solid set of metric key results for top-level objectives. However, many teams struggle to define metric key results. Dozens of teams send us their OKRs for feedback each year. Their key results often look more like a list of tasks that reflect work output rather than measurable outcomes. Unlike metric key results, milestone key results tend not to include numbers. Milestones are binary—they are either achieved or not. Given that milestones are notorious for reflecting work output rather than outcomes, should milestone key results even be allowed? Some OKRs coaches advise avoiding milestone key results entirely. On page seven of his OKRs book, John Doerr credits Marissa Mayer with her observation, “it’s not a key result unless it has a number.” However, in this same book, Doerr provides examples of milestone key results such as “develop a demo.” (SEE NOTE AT END) Marissa might not be happy with this key result! As an OKRs coach, you work with your client to transform draft key results that often look like a to-do list into refined key results that reflect measurable outcomes. Here is a hypothetical OKRs coaching conversation to make this concrete: Client: My key result is to develop a demo. Coach: What is the intended outcome of developing this demo? How will we know the demo is a success? Client: Well, the demo is a success if we can get positive customer feedback, but all I can commit to is developing the demo this quarter. It will be quite a stretch to get feedback. Coach: OK, what will be demo’d and how will we know it is developed? Client: We’re developing a demo for product X and our sales team decides if it’s developed and ready to be used. Ultimately, it is our customers that will decide if it’s a valuable product. Coach: Are you committing to presenting the demo to the sales team or to customers? Client: I can’t commit to showing it to customers. That is the decision of the sales team. I can commit to presenting the demo to our sales team. A bit more OKRs coaching might lead to the following refined key result that (1) focuses on outcome, (2) distinguishes between a commitment and a stretch outcome, and (3) specifies what is being “demo’d” and who decides it is “developed.” type="example" Key Result: 3 customers sign an agreement to purchase product X after viewing the new product X demo Commit = present product X demo to our sales team for feedback in our test environment Target = present product X demo to five prospects with feedback on likelihood to purchase In this hypothetical coaching conversation, the draft key result, “develop a demo,” becomes the commit level of progress. However, the stretch key result now reflects customer interest in the product. It is the number of customers interested in the product that reflects the needle the client is ultimately trying to move. Marissa would likely approve now that the key result has a number. As an OKRs coach, you help your client translate milestone key results like “produce a demo of product X” into aspirational outcomes like “three customers sign an agreement for product X” that move a metric rather than simply represent completion of a task. Therefore, we might conclude that all key results should be metrics. However, while we recommend defining mostly metric key results, our clients often choose to define milestone key results as well. Rather than declaring all milestone key results are bad, we invite you to consider the possibility that milestone key results can be used to reflect outcomes not output. Consider the following two milestone key results one of our clients drafted: (1) Present requirements to obtain a permit to build houses in Portland to leadership team and (2) Obtain a permit to begin new construction in Portland. The first milestone is a task that reflects work output. One person should be able to research required documentation for a permit and schedule a meeting with leadership. However, the second milestone is not a task; it is a potential key result that reflects a binary outcome. Ask questions to guide your client to move from task-like milestones that reflect work output to key results that reflect outcomes. Coaching Takeaways Help your client define mostly metric key results (i.e., move metric A from X to Y). If your client is not already measuring the right metric to capture progress on an objective, consider defining a baseline key result. In other words, “find X” so your client can define a metric key result to improve from X to Y in the future. Not all milestone key results are bad! Ask questions to help move your client further down the value chain to translate tasks and work output into outcomes. Use scoring to convert output milestones to outcome milestones or metrics. As inspiration, use the hypothetical coaching conversation that translated the output milestone, “develop a demo,” into the metric key result, “3 customers sign an agreement to purchase product X after viewing the new product X demo.”   Note: In reviewing John Doerr’s book, Felipe Castro, an OKRs expert and good friend of mine, notes: “Out of the 60 Key Results listed, 32 (53%) lack numbers. They include things such as “Create a retirement plan for all legacy technology,” and “Focus on hiring player managers/leaders.” Even John Doerr’s own OKRs from his days at Intel lack numbers (e.g., “Develop a Demo”).

    14 min
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    How GoNoodle Launched OKRs in 18 Days (Real OKR Implementations #1)

    This is the first in a series of episodes featuring "Real OKR Implementation" stories. Many organizations adopt OKRs because they want focus, alignment, and execution discipline. But small and fast-growing companies face a unique challenge: They must move quickly They cannot afford bureaucracy They cannot rely on heavy process Yet they still need clarity and coordination GoNoodle, a company focused on helping kids stay active and engaged, successfully launched OKRs in a growth-stage company in just 18 days! The Situation: Growth Created Urgency After raising new capital, GoNoodle entered a period of aggressive growth. Leadership knew that without a clear system, the organization could quickly lose focus. As their co-founder described: “The growth plan was aggressive. We knew it would introduce a new level of complexity and potential chaos. How would we stay focused on the right things? How would we define and measure our most important work?” They discovered OKRs and immediately saw the potential — but also understood the risk: “Failure to launch OKRs well could jade the staff and undermine the whole effort. We had to get it right.” So they moved quickly — but intentionally. A Fast Start, With Structure GoNoodle launched OKRs in just 18 days. But speed alone wasn’t the secret. Structure and cadence were. They began by defining company-level OKRs, then worked closely with each department to translate strategy into measurable team-level outcomes. Along the way, they discovered: “Writing good key results is an art. In theory it’s simple, but it was much more difficult than expected.” They also recognized the value of defining success upfront: “We set the scoring criteria for every key result at the time of creation. This was difficult — and extremely valuable.” Within weeks, OKRs were visible across the company and supported by a regular execution rhythm. The 2-Cycle OKR Launch Model The GoNoodle experience closely mirrors what we now formalize at OKRs.com as a two-cycle launch model, designed to build both clarity and capability. At GoNoodle, this included defining company OKRs first and ensuring each team’s objectives directly supported the company’s direction. They reinforced this through leadership reviews and shared visibility. As their co-founder explained: “We review every OKR weekly at the executive level to make sure we are focused on what matters most.” “The connecting nature of OKRs, linking company goals to the work of each team, was one of the most compelling parts of the framework.” “We now have a level of operating rigor that we never had before.” “Clarity of our most important work, more focused execution, transparency around what we are doing, and improved culture.” GoNoodle reinforced OKRs through: Weekly executive OKR reviews Mid-quarter team check-ins Quarterly company OKR reviews Shared visibility of all OKRs OKR onboarding for new employees “OKRs became part of our operating DNA.” What GoNoodle Achieved Following the OKRs.com structured approach, GoNoodle experienced: Clearer definition of their most important work Stronger alignment across teams Improved focus and execution Greater transparency and accountability A disciplined operating rhythm Cultural adoption of OKRs Implications for Small/Growing Organizations If you are launching OKRs in a smaller or growth-stage company: Move fast, but take a structured approach leveraging the 3 phases over 2 cycles. Define commit/target/stretch levels of each KR upfront to ensure alignment. Make OKRs visible to all! Build cadence early. Expect improvement with each cycle.; commit to 2 cycles from the start. Launch Your OKR Program the Right Way! How to Launch Your OKR Program If you’d like to learn how to launch OKRs using our 3-Phase approach over 2 cycles, contact: Ben@OKRs.com Thanks for listening!

    11 min
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    How stretch to make KRs? How will we score and update KR progress? (3/10)

    Are your KRs stretch? Are they commitments? Are you using Radical Focus? Measure What Matters? Ben's Stretch-Target-Commit model? Are you not even sure what approach you are taking? You need to know how key results are scored and how progress is tracked during the OKR cycle. Without a STANDARD, clear approach, teams can misjudge success, create confusion, or miss early warning signs that execution is off track. This episode explores how the way you define and measure the level of “stretch” and "commitment" in your key results can shape behavior, expectations, and ultimately outcomes. You’ll learn why objectives should not be scored, and why the real focus belongs on key results. Ben walks through the three most common scoring systems used in practice: 1) Radical Focus, 2) Measure What Matters, and 3) Stretch-Target-Commit. He explains how each approach influences how teams set goals, interpret progress, and learn from results. He also shares why aligning on scoring criteria upfront can spark critical conversations that prevent misalignment and unrealistic expectations later in the cycle. Beyond end-of-cycle scoring, this episode dives into how to track progress during execution. You’ll discover the difference between historical progress (“what has happened”) and predictive progress (“what is likely to happen”), and why predictive scoring can serve as an early warning system for leaders. Ben also explores how numerical scores alone don’t tell the full story — and how adding a qualitative “health” signal can surface hidden risks, unintended behaviors, and opportunities for course correction. This episode reframes scoring as a tool for communication, expectation management, and learning (not performance evaluation of individual staff) and will help you design a scoring and progress approach that drives clarity, better conversations, and stronger execution throughout the OKR cycle. Request your free 1:1 OKR consult with Ben via Ben@OKRs.com

    21 min

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Ben on OKRs is a practical, real-world (and FUN) podcast hosted by Ben Lamorte, the founder of OKRs.com. Ben wrote The OKRs Field Book in 2022, the first book dedicated to the field of OKRs coaching. In fact, it's been rumored that Ben is the most experienced OKR coach on the planet. Ben shares insights from mentoring 50+ OKR coaches and working with 300+ organizations to help leaders turn OKRs into a powerful execution system to drive focus, alignment, and bottom-line results. This podcast is designed for: Executives and senior leaders Strategy and operations professionals HR and transformation leaders Agile coaches looking to broaden their skill set Managers responsible for execution and alignment Anyone implementing or improving OKRs You’ll learn: Why OKRs fail and what to do about that How to leverage AI to 10x OKR execution How to write meaningful, outcome-driven OKRs How to align teams around strategy How to run effective OKR cycles How to turn OKRs into a sustainable execution system Contact: Ben@OKRs.com