Former RAF pilot turned deep-tech founder, Kyle Thomas is building SAIF Autonomy—the “application firewall” for autonomous systems. We get into embodied AI vs deterministic autonomy, what it takes to certify and deploy robots in the real world, the UK vs US VC mindset, nearly running out of cash (with £22 left in the bank), and why veterans often thrive in startups. What's in the episode: - Embodied AI in the physical world (and why “trust layers” matter) - Defense to startup: decision-making under uncertainty - Real use cases: drones, logistics, shipping, aviation, space - Public perception & regulation: earning societal trust - Raising $1.2M from Silicon Valley as a UK deep-tech startup - Culture design: borrowing the best of military leadership - Practical founder advice: start sooner, ignore the naysayers Chapters: 0:00 Cold open — embodied AI, safety & “wrappers” 1:12 Intro — Kyle’s RAF background & SAIF’s mission 2:23 Military → startup: decision-making & stress tolerance 4:09 UK vs US mindset on speed, growth & work ethic 6:30 Meeting co-founder Matt; origins in RAF programs 7:22 Rapid Capabilities Office & TRL (3→7 fast) 8:42 From scripted autonomy to embodied, goal-based systems 10:03 Real-world examples (drones, Waymo, sidewalk bots) 11:01 Autonomy vs AI — clear definitions 12:53 Deterministic vs embodied AI (and their failure modes) 13:53 Today’s drone deliveries (hospitals, corridors, BVLOS) 14:10 Scaling without city-wide infrastructure 15:52 Proving it on land, sea, air… and space 18:19 Public perception, safety cases & building trust 19:13 Logistics, shipping & aviation use cases 20:06 “Application firewall” for autonomy (trust layer) 22:19 Fundraise story — $1.2M pre-revenue from Silicon Valley 24:03 Why UK/EU VC often feels like PE (risk appetite) 25:59 US lead, diligence, patents & why it clicked 27:12 UK engineering talent vs US scaling capital 29:05 CEO self-awareness: when to level up or step aside 30:39 Targeting specialist US funds next 33:17 Sponsor break — Opus community 33:49 Near-death runway tale: £22 in the bank 36:50 Money lands at 8:22pm on New Year’s Eve 43:17 Split-second RAF story — refuelling saves lives 47:49 Why veterans can excel in startups 49:17 Culture & leadership: high trust, high standards 52:04 Practical rituals (socials, flexibility, outcomes) 55:11 Advice to younger self: start sooner, be bold 58:07 Founder communities: Opus, ICE, Founders Pledge 1:00:12 Be in the room — why London matters 1:01:12 Trust over impressions (in-person beats ads) 1:02:30 Luck vs talent (and timing) 1:03:55 Where to find Kyle (LinkedIn, site, IG) 1:04:45 Blog & updates coming soon 1:05:08 Outro About Kyle / SAIF Autonomy Kyle Thomas, Co-founder & CEO, SAIF Autonomy Mission: a safety & assurance “trust layer” so autonomous systems can operate safely at the edge (air, land, sea, space) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.