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05/12/2025

Ghostting Is Better Than Shelling

We've had Mitchell Hashimoto on a couple episodes, and each time we've discussed his vision for libghostty. In this episode, Kris and Matt talk about what the vision for libghostty actually means for the industry as a whole and the power of platforms. The duo also covers the new models that have dropped and how they see using the various models that have become available. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/XbjmqlSWlKI. This week's episode of break continues the conversation, where they continue this conversation and talk about how we're all becoming writers. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/18. We've got a new format for the bonus content snippets in this episode. All of them are together in the middle of the episode, with a small intro and outro around them. In this week's bonus content the duo discusses how AI might help save Stack Overflow, how it's making us write more specifications for software, and how it might lead to a much more viable funding model for the web. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: New Models & How We Use Them (00:02:28)Chapter 2: AI Will Help StackOverflow [Extended] (00:35:27)Chapter 3: Software Engineering Is About Writing Specifications [Extended] (00:35:59)Chapter 4: A Better Funding Model For The Web [Extended] (00:36:38)Chapter 5: SSH Out, libghostty In (00:37:37)Chapter 6: New Segment Type? (01:01:04)Epilogue (01:04:56) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:28) - Chapter 1: New Models & How We Use Them (35:27) - Chapter 2: AI Will Help StackOverflow [Extended] (35:59) - Chapter 3: Software Engineering Is About Writing Specifications [Extended] (36:38) - Chapter 4: A Better Funding Model For The Web [Extended] (37:37) - Chapter 5: SSH Out, libghostty In (01:01:04) - Chapter 6: New Segment Type? (01:04:56) - Epilogue

05/12/2025

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1 h 10 min
04/11/2025

The Fault In Our Clouds

First it was GCP in June. Then it was AWS in October. Then it was Azure a week later. It seems that our cloud providers are having outages far more often, and for far longer, than any of us would like. In this episode, Kris, Ian, and Matthew discuss the two most recent outages along with some of their thoughts on the current state of the industry and the future of software. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! The panel talks about whether seeking a career with a FAANG company is worth it anymore, why building software for your local community is important, and their frustrations with point of sale systems. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. EXTRA! EXTRA! There's lots of bonus content in this episode! And if you're a supporter you're getting all of it. In this week's extra chapters the panel talks about whether we all need to be on large cloud providers, frustrations with food delivery app PINs, whether timeouts and retries should be our go to, and why it feels like software is constantly getting worse. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes: AWS Outage Summary: https://aws.amazon.com/message/101925/Azure Outage Summary: https://azure.status.microsoft/en-us/status/history/ Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: The AWS Outage (00:03:03)Chapter 2: Overdependence on Timeouts and Retries [Extended] (00:27:15)Chapter 3: Food Delivery app PINs should be Local First [Extended] (00:27:41)Chapter 4: The Azure Outage (00:28:11)Chapter 5: Do We Actually Need All These Cloud Services? [Extended] (00:39:37)Chapter 6: We Are Trapped By Our Own Path Dependence [Extended] (00:40:07)Chapter 7: What Is Popular Is Not Necessarily What Is Good (00:40:54)Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (00:42:42)Epilogue (01:02:34) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (03:03) - Chapter 1: The AWS Outage (27:15) - Chapter 2: Overdependence on Timeouts and Retries [Extended] (27:41) - Chapter 3: Food Delivery app PINs should be Local First [Extended] (28:11) - Chapter 4: The Azure Outage (39:37) - Chapter 5: Do We Actually Need All These Cloud Services? [Extended] (40:07) - Chapter 6: We Are Trapped By Our Own Path Dependence [Extended] (40:54) - Chapter 7: What Is Popular Is Not Necessarily What Is Good (42:42) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (01:02:34) - Epilogue

04/11/2025

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1 h 5 min
12/11/2025

Artisanal Software Engineering

Software engineering has an identity problem. Some software engineers want to be craftspeople and artisans, while others want to be more like the traditional engineers, while others just want to write some code. In this episode, Kris and Matt talk about the state of software engineering today and the areas that they think could use improvement. For this week's episode of break, we're pulling one out of the archives! Sometimes we record an episode and don't ship it for quite a while, and this one was recorded all the way back on July 30th! Kris and Matt talk about their (at the time) yet to be recorded episode with Mitchell, Oxide's Series B announcement, and have another conversation about software artisans. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/15. And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear the duo's feelings about project management, the industry's lack of planning, and Kris' recent change in view around artificial intelligence. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: The Current State of Software Engineering (00:02:28)Chapter 2: MVPs and the Challenge of Shipping Software (00:17:05)Chapter 3: Project Management and Workflows [Extended] (00:26:01)Chapter 4: The Invisible Things (00:26:24)Chapter 5: Path Dependency and Asking Why (00:31:26)Chapter 6: Engineering Is About Design (00:46:11)Chapter 7: We Need Better Planning [Extended] (00:58:42)Chapter 8: Matt wants to write less code (00:59:02)Chapter 9: Kris' view of AI has shifted [Extended] (01:02:38)Epilogue (01:03:06) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:28) - Chapter 1: The Current State of Software Engineering (17:05) - Chapter 2: MVPs and the Challenge of Shipping Software (26:01) - Chapter 3: Project Management and Workflows [Extended] (26:24) - Chapter 4: The Invisible Things (31:26) - Chapter 5: Path Depenency and Asking Why (46:11) - Chapter 6: Engineering Is About Design (58:42) - Chapter 7: We Need Better Planning [Extended] (59:02) - Chapter 8: Matt wants to write less code (01:02:38) - Chapter 9: Kris' view of AI has shifted [Extended] (01:03:06) - Epilogue

12/11/2025

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1 h 9 min
20/11/2025

The AI Marketing Problem

The tech industry is terrible at marketing things. From AI to Blockchain to Git, we constantly miss the actual innovation by looking too closely at the surface level. In this episode, Kris is joined by the full panel of Ian, Matthew, and Dylan to discuss the marketing problem AI seems to have and its wider implications. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/4nGG8Mv4L88 This week's episode of break continues the conversation, with a deeper discussion around the marketing point and a whole bunch more. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/16. And we've got bonus content for our supporters, where you'll hear how the panel is currently using AI and the importance of embracing being human. Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: The AI Marketing Problem (00:06:14)Chapter 2: What Does It Mean To Adopt AI? [Extended] (00:09:53)Chapter 3: SciFi Computer or Reference System? (00:10:16)Chapter 4: Embrace Being Human [Extended] (00:36:17)Chapter 3: SciFi Computer or Reference System? (00:00:-17)Chapter 5: Context Is Important (00:36:54)Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover (00:49:41) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host Dylan Bourque - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (06:14) - Chapter 1: The AI Marketing Problem (09:53) - Chapter 2: What Does It Mean To Adopt AI? [Extended] (10:16) - Chapter 3: SciFi Computer or Reference System? (36:17) - Chapter 4: Embrace Being Human [Extended] (36:54) - Chapter 5: Context Is Important (49:41) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions and Panic & Recover

20/11/2025

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1 h 5 min
05/05/2025

The Language of Data Visualization

Little languages are powerful. From text processing with AWK to calculations with APL, domain specific languages help us do things more concisely and with more precision than with other languages. Anthony Starks knows this well, as he's designed several little languages, including decksh, the focus of this episode, which allows users to create powerful presentations without the hassle of pushing around pixels in Powerpoint. He joins Angelica and Matt to discuss the background of why he created these languages, how they work, and so much more. And we have some fantastic unpopular opinions to round out the episode. This episode's supporter content is truly fantastic. It includes an extended conversation where the group discusses data visualization in depth, including how Anthony was able to recreate graphics from W. E. B. Du Bois that are challenging or impossible to recreate with regular data visualization tools. Get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes: entrhttps://speakerdeck.com/ajstarks/interactive-image-manipulation-with-popihttps://speakerdeck.com/ajstarks/giftsh-a-dsl-and-shell-for-image-editingdecksh object referencedeckshgiftshgiftsh code2025 Du Bois ChallengeDu Bois challenge overviews and recaps:https://speakerdeck.com/ajstarks/du-bois-challenge-2024-recaphttps://speakerdeck.com/ajstarks/challenge2023https://speakerdeck.com/ajstarks/curating-the-number-duboischallenge2022little languagesDu Bois Data PortraitsBlack Lives 1900Fyne Canvas:https://speakerdeck.com/ajstarks/fc-a-high-level-canvas-api-for-the-fyne-toolkithttps://github.com/ajstarks/fcGiocanvas:https://speakerdeck.com/ajstarks/giocanvas-a-high-level-canvas-api-for-giohttps://github.com/ajstarks/giocanvasebiten canvas:https://github.com/ajstarks/ebcanvas"Like" Table of Contents: Prologue (01:29)Chapter 1: Why Make DSLs? (04:49)Chapter 2: decksh (09:57)Chapter 3: Visualizing Data [Supporter Only] (23:34)Chapter 4: Documentation (24:22)Chapter 5: Metaprogramming (37:33)Chpater 6: Good Tools (45:13)Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (54:23)Epilogue (01:08:21) Hosts Anthony Starks - Guest Angelica Hill - Producer Matthew Sanabria - Host Kris Brandow - Producer Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (01:29) - Prologue (04:49) - Chapter 1: Why Make DSLs? (09:57) - Chapter 2: decksh (23:34) - Chapter 3: Visualizing Data [Supporter Only] (24:22) - Chapter 4: Documentation (37:33) - Chapter 5: Metaprogramming (45:13) - Chpater 6: Good Tools (54:23) - Appendix UNPOP: Unpopular Opinions (01:08:21) - Epilogue

05/05/2025

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1 h 11 min
20/10/2025

DevOps: The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything

In this episode, hosts Angelica Hill and Matthew Sanabria are joined by special guest Cory O'Daniel to dive deep into DevOps. They chat through some of the big questions shaping the industry: Is the "cloud promise" still holding up? What role does on-prem infrastructure play now? And perhaps most importantly, what does "DevOps" even mean today? We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. We've got a ton of supporter content in this episode, so our supporters can hear Cory's thoughts on why technology choices should be kept simple, why we aren't thinking things through, and why the C-Suite forgets the pain of being an IC. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: What Is DevOps? (00:05:50)Chapter 2: Structuring DevOps (00:20:27)Chapter 3: Software Engineering is a Craft (00:46:10)Chapter 4: Keep Technology Choices Simple [Extended Only] (00:58:18)Chapter 5: Why Are We Not Thinking Things Through? [Extended Only] (00:58:45)Chapter 6: What Makes The C-Suite Forget The Pain? [Extended Only] (00:59:26)Chapter 7: OpenTofu (01:00:16)Epilogue (01:03:12) Hosts Matthew Sanabria - Host Angelica Hill - Producer Cory O'Daniel - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (05:50) - Chapter 1: What Is DevOps? (20:27) - Chapter 2: Structuring DevOps (46:10) - Chapter 3: Software Engineering is a Craft (58:18) - Chapter 4: Keep Technology Choices Simple [Extended Only] (58:45) - Chapter 5: Why Are We Not Thinking Things Through? [Extended Only] (59:26) - Chapter 6: What Makes The C-Suite Forget The Pain? [Extended Only] (01:00:16) - Chapter 7: OpenTofu (01:03:12) - Epilogue

20/10/2025

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1 h 7 min
31/12/2025

Stack Trace 2025

We decided to do our own wrap up for the year. We've called it Stack Trace, and we pulled a bunch of stats from the first year of Fallthrough. In this episode, Kris, Matt, and Dylan talk through these stats and how they feel about Fallthrough's first year. If you prefer to watch this episode, you can view it on YouTube. This week's episode of break continues the conversation. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show/22. In this week's bonus content, we've got some extra stats! Not a supporter yet? Fix that today by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Table of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: A Year of Fallthrough In Stats (00:03:37)Chapter 2: Better and Smaller Platforms (00:36:28)Chapter 3: Who Had The Longest Monologues? (00:41:33)Chapter 4: It's Different In The Moment (00:49:13)Chapter 5: The Spicy Content That Wasn't (00:54:16)Chapter 6: More Stats! [Extended] (01:00:48)Chapter 7: Thinking About The Future (01:01:05)Epilogue (01:12:35) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Dylan Bourque - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (03:37) - Chapter 1: A Year of Fallthrough In Stats (36:28) - Chapter 2: Better and Smaller Platforms (41:33) - Chapter 3: Who Had The Longest Monologues? (49:13) - Chapter 4: It's Different In The Moment (54:16) - Chapter 5: The Spicy Content That Wasn't (01:00:48) - Chapter 6: More Stats! [Extended] (01:01:05) - Chapter 7: Thinking About The Future (01:12:35) - Epilogue

31/12/2025

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1 h 16 min
07/10/2025

The Failure of Open Source Leadership

Open source project leaders have faced heavy challenges over the last decade and a half. It seems every language community has had conflicts with its leadership: Python with the struggles of the Python 2 to 3 migration; Node.JS and the community's conflict with Joyent; Rust and their handling of trademarks and IP; Wordpress and their conflict with WPEngine; and of course Go and their conflict around dependency management (and error handling). Now we've added another: the recent conflict between Ruby Central and the community. In this episode, Kris, Matt, and Steve discuss these conflicts and what they tell us about the way we've come to see leadership within open source projects, where the blame actually lies, and what changes we can make to avoid these issues in the future. We continue this discussion in this week's episode of Break! We get into some of the topics briefly mentioned during the main episode. Watch it on YouTube or listen with your favorite podcasting app! Learn more by going to https://break.show. For our supporters, we have extra chapters about the sustainability of the current model and where we should place blame for the current problems. Not a supporter yet? You can fix that by heading over to https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe where you'll get not only extra content but also higher quality audio. Sign up today! Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Show Notes: Bryan Cantrill Platform as a Reflection of ValuesLow Level Rust is causing a lot of problemsIf WordPress is to survive, Matt Mullenweg must be removed‘This Is Just How We Do Things Now’: The Quiet Collapse of StandardsTable of Contents: Prologue (00:00:00)Chapter 1: How Did We Get Here? (00:02:07)Chapter 2: Why Does Open Source Like Dictators? (00:41:04)Chapter 3: So what happened with Ruby? (00:45:21)Chapter 4: How Sustainable Is All Of This? [Extended Only] (01:01:49)Chapter 5: Blame Lies Everywhere [Extended Only] (01:02:19)Chapter 6: It's Not The Individual, It's The System (01:03:06)Chapter 7: We Actually Can All Get Along (01:13:41)Chapter 8: Nuance Was Had (01:24:24) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Steve Klabnik - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (00:00) - Prologue (02:07) - Chapter 1: How Did We Get Here? (41:04) - Chapter 2: Why Does Open Source Like Dictators? (45:21) - Chapter 3: So what happened with Ruby? (01:01:49) - Chapter 4: How Sustainable Is All Of This? [Extended Only] (01:02:19) - Chapter 5: Blame Lies Everywhere [Extended Only] (01:03:06) - Chapter 6: It's Not The Individual, It's The System (01:13:41) - Chapter 7: We Actually Can All Get Along (01:24:24) - Chapter 8: Nuance Was Had

07/10/2025

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1 h 30 min
20/01/2025

Do We Think You Should Learn To Code?

For years we've been told that everyone needs to learn to code. As career software people, what are our thoughts on this? Should you learn to code? Is coding the right career for you? In this first episode of a two part series, the panel discusses how they learned to code, whether they think everyone should learn to code, and of course they offer up some unpopular opinions. And if you're thinking, "I already know how to code", don't worry, this episode contains valuable advice for you as well. As always thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes & Links: Ben Eater's YouTube Channel (from 53:00)John Carmack's Fast Inverse Square Root (from 1:01:47)This is actually from Quake, not Doom.Change Interviews #581 It's Not Always DNS (from 1:04:15)Chapters: (00:00) - Intro (01:33) - How're we doing? (04:41) - Why did we learn to code? (06:10) - Why Kris learned to code (07:44) - Why Ian learned to code (08:54) - Why Dylan learned to code (10:36) - Why Matthew learned to code (14:22) - Computer Assembly Not Required (16:51) - Tangent: Why Are USB-C Cables? (17:36) - Should you focus on a specific language? (22:45) - Do you want to solve problems? (24:53) - Coding & Woodworking (27:09) - Curiosity & Itches that need scratching (31:07) - What do we mean when we say "code"? (32:34) - You should learn Excel (39:35) - Coding Is Configuring Computers (43:32) - Discrete Math, Not Binary (47:03) - Learn the low level stuff... eventually (53:42) - The desire to learn (57:41) - Sidequest: Networking (01:05:52) - Learning Design & Being Load Bearing (01:12:10) - Continual Learning (01:14:33) - What of AI and Automation? (01:21:49) - Share What You Learn (01:24:24) - Should You Learn To Code? (01:24:57) - Teaser: Episode 5 - Is Coding The Career For You? (01:26:02) - Unpopular Opinions (01:26:08) - Matthew's Unpop (01:28:51) - Ian's Unpop (01:29:29) - Dylan's Unpop (01:33:52) - Kris' Unpop (01:36:50) - Tangent: Chopper? (01:37:27) - Outro Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Ian Wester-Lopshire - Host Dylan Bourque - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram

20/01/2025

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1 h 39 min
31/03/2025

What Even Is A Senior Software Engineer?

What does it mean to be a senior (or staff) software engineer? How are we preparing the next generation of software engineers to maintain the software we've created? In this episode, Matt and Kris are joined by Bill Kennedy to discuss tech communities, training software engineers, the landscape of learning, how artificial intelligence is affecting it all, and so much more. Supporters get access to an extended conversation with Bill, where we get into more depth on artificial intelligence, the Go team, and more! You can get access by signing up at https://fallthrough.fm/subscribe. Thanks for tuning in and happy listening! Notes: The Market for LemonsTable of Contents: Prologue (01:10)Intros & The Rain (01:10)Mr. Gopher Man (02:35)Introducing Bill Kennedy (03:08)Chapter 1: Tech Communities & Software Engineer Training (04:57)From Ultimate Go to Ultimate Software Design Live (04:57)Software Engineers & Criticism (10:01)Saying The Wrong Things (15:12)The Times Have Changed (16:08)You Learn More From Your Mistakes (24:44)Chapter 2: The Learning Landscape (28:25)The trouble with senior engineering (30:10)The difference between programming and coding (35:04)What is legacy? (39:19)It's All About Packages (44:06)Expanding Into Rust (51:23)Chapter 3: Giving Back (59:43)Sustaining open source projects (59:43)Chapter 4: Passing The Baton (01:13:28)The need for written documentation (01:27:50)What AI can do for you (01:33:50)When do you do something? (01:40:57)Epilogue (01:50:05)Helicopter taxi (01:50:34) Hosts Kris Brandow - Host Matthew Sanabria - Host Bill Kennedy - Guest Socials:WebsiteBlueskyThreadsX/TwitterLinkedInInstagram (01:10) - Prologue (04:57) - Chapter 1: Tech Communities & Software Engineer Training (28:25) - Chapter 2: The Learning Landscape (59:43) - Chapter 3: Giving Back (01:13:28) - Chapter 4: Passing The Baton (01:50:05) - Epilogue

31/03/2025

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1 h 53 min

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The Failure of Open Source Leadership

Do We Think You Should Learn To Code?

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Ghostting Is Better Than Shelling

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