Wander Bairbre Flood

We talk about de-colonialising beauty standards, writing as a lifeline, experiencing the world through the eyes of her daughter, and 'setting a platform where things that we’re uncomfortable with discussing are being discussed'.



⁠Neo Florence Gilson⁠ is a poet, writer and storyteller from South Africa. In 2021, she was awarded the ⁠Play it Forward Fellowship⁠ with Skein Press. Her writing is published in The Stinging Fly, Storm's Journal of Poetry, Prose and Visual Art, The Irish Examiner and Poetry Jukebox Belfast. And she's Artist in Residence with ⁠Sample Studios⁠ and the Graffiti Theatre Company in Cork.



Follow her: @neogilsonartist



Thanks to the Arts Council of Ireland for their continued support.



Produced by Bairbre Flood (@bairbreflood)

Palestinian poet Marwan Makhoul has published several works of poetry, including 'Hunter of Daffodils', 'Land of the Sad Passiflora', 'Verses The Poems Forgot With Me', 'Where is my Mom?' and 'A Letter From The Last Man'. His poems have won several awards and appeared worldwide in Arabic publications and translated into many languages.



'That poem was written ten years ago. It's exactly the same details. The world just keeps quiet, you know. The war keeps repeating itself.' - Marwan Makhoul on 'Portrait of Gaza'



Marwan was invited to Ireland by poet Annemarie Ní Churreáin (Poetry Ireland and Liam Carson of IMRAM) for the 'Listen To The Birds' series of multilingual events which blended Arabic and English - and Irish versions of his poems by Eibhlis Carcione, Liam De Paor and Aine Ni Fhoghlu. Two of these translations by Eibhlis Carcione are featured in this episode.



Marwan recites 'Portrait of Gaza', 'Verses The Poems Forgot About Me' and 'On The Train To Tel Aviv', and Raphael reads the English translations.

We talk about many things, including why it's so important that artists speak out about what's happening right now, and how to prevent poetry from slipping into sloganeering while also engaging with political issues.



'The artist through the creative process, they give a new image of the personal and the national...Politicians, they put makeup on the truth. Whereas the role of the artist is to  wash away that makeup, and actually expose some kind of reality.'



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Wander is an Arts Council of Ireland funded podcast series produced by Bairbre Flood which explores poetry related to migration, human rights and refugee solidarity.

Since October 7th, Israel has killed at least thirteen Palestinian poets and writers in Gaza. One of the most renowned is Saleem Al-Naffar. Throughout his life and career he advocated for peaceful resistance and documented the Palestinian struggle to survive.

Hamas’ actions on October 7th and their refusal to hand over the hostages were despicable actions by a corrupt terrorist organisation. But Hamas’ actions were not carried out by the thousands of men, women and children who’ve been killed since October. Hamas is not these thirteen poets and writers. Hamas is not Saleem Al-Naffar.

Al-Naffar was born in a refugee camp in Gaza, his family having been displaced from Jaffa, and as a child he moved with his family to Jordan and then Syria. He studied Arabic literature at Tishreen University in Syria and in 1994, returned to Gaza, where he published poetry collections, novels, and his autobiography.

His poem Life reads, “Knives might eat / what remains of my ribs, / machines might smash / what remains of stones, / but life is coming, / for that is its way, / creating life even for us.”

On Dec. 7 2023, Al-Naffar and his family were killed in an Israeli airstrike on their home in Gaza City. 



This is an extract of his poem, ‘O Lovers’:

'Many corners of our home

are wound with our history.

Time did not exclude us.

Their crazy evil machine

did not smash our hopes.

The perfume of right sleeps in arteries

buried inside us.

Even if our footpaths lengthened

and our tragedies went further than insane,

right will come, slowly.'

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The poet, Heyba Kamal Abu Nada, who wrote the novel Oxygen is Not for the Dead, was killed by an Israeli airstrike in southern Gaza on October 20th.

The poet, novelist, and community activist Omar Abu Shaweesh was killed on October 7th during the shelling of the Nuseirat refugee camp in Gaza.

On October 16, writer Abdullah Al-Aqad was killed, alongside his wife and children, when an Israeli shell struck his house in Khan Younis. 

Writer and journalist Mustafa Hassan Mahmoud Al-Sawwaf was killed, alongside several members of his family, when an Israeli shell struck his home on November 18th.

And it just goes on and on. Many of these poets and writers killed along with their families.



The poet and writer Nour al-Din Hajjaj was the author of the play The Gray Ones and the novel Wings That Do Not Fly. This was his final message to the outside world:

‘This is why I am writing now; it might be my last message that makes it out to the free world, flying with the doves of peace to tell them that we love life, or at least what life we have managed to live; in Gaza all paths before us are blocked, and instead we’re just one tweet or breaking news story away from death.

Anyway, I’ll begin.

My name is Nour al-Din Hajjaj, I am a Palestinian writer, I am twenty-seven years old and I have many dreams.

I am not a number and I do not consent to my death being passing news. Say, too, that I love life, happiness, freedom, children’s laughter, the sea, coffee, writing, Fairouz, everything that is joyful—though these things will all disappear in the space of a moment.

One of my dreams is for my books and my writings to travel the world, for my pen to have wings so that no unstamped passport or visa rejection can hold it back.

Another dream of mine is to have a small family, to have a little son who looks like me and to tell him a bedtime story as I rock him in my arms.’



Nour al-Din Hajjaj was killed by an Israeli airstrike on his home in Gaza on December 2nd 2023. 

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If you want to support a Palestinian poet who managed to escape with his family - Mosab Abu Toha’s poetry book ‘Things You May Find Hidden In My Ear’.



And writer Mahmoud Jouda needs support for The Right To Narrate Our Stories.

My guests this week: Caleb, Wealth, Angel, Gregory, Daphne, Edwin, Diamond, Nicosha and Promise - some of the inspiring young people⁠ Raphael Olympio⁠ works as a youth mentor with the Cork Migrant Centre (who featured last episode).

I recorded this a couple of months ago so the Anti-Racism Summit we talk about was going to be on at the end of May, and it’s interesting to hear how they were all preparing for this, and why it’s so important to have an event like this.

Many thanks again to the Arts Council who funded this particular workshop - and to Raphael and Fionnuala O’Connell of the Cork Migrant Centre.

Shout out also to the Haven Cafe, on Bachelors Quay in Cork who provided the space for the young people.

Created with the support of the Arts Council of Ireland.

Raphael Olympio, aka Olympio, is an immensely talented rapper and spoken word artist from Cork who was born in Togo, West Africa. He grew up in a Direct Provision Centre and feels inspired to motivate others who come from different parts of Africa and other countries across the world - and is a youth mentor with the Cork Migrant Centre. 

Olympio has performed at UBUNTU: Local is Global (a CIPHER Hip Hop Interpellation) featured on RTE's Change Makers, and he’s been part of numerous collaborations and performances at  Indiependence, Electric Picnic, Other Voices, and more. 

He's released several spoken word/hip hop music videos - and the latest one called EPG (Exploitation, Power Greed) is absolutely brilliant, go and check it out.

He wrote a beautiful piece especially for this episode and we talk about social and racial anxiety, the richness of Africa, his creative process, and how his work as a mentor inspires and motivates him.

The creative work he does with the young people in the Cork Migrant Centre is something we look at more in the next episode - when I meet the young people at his workshop.

Thanks so much to Raphael Olympio for all the great - and valuable - work he’s doing  - and thanks to the Arts Council for their support.

This week I’m talking to Iraqi poet, Majed Mujed, who’s lived in Ireland since 2015. One of the founders of the Iraqi House of Poetry, he worked as a journalist and publisher in the Iraqi cultural press for twenty years. He’s published five collections of poetry in Arabic and his first book to be published in Ireland, ‘The Book of Trivialities’ is out now, published by Skein Press.

In 2021, he was one of the inaugural recipients of Skein Presses ‘Play It Forward’ Fellowships from the Arts Council, and we also talk about that in the programme, and how it helped him.

‘The Book of Trivialities’ is originally written in Arabic, and translated into English by the award-winning translator Kareem James Abu-Zeid.

The poet Jessica Traynor has described it as ‘a gem of a book; intimate, tender, thought-provoking and intricately crafted.’ 

Huge thanks to Majed Mujed for talking to me - and to Zainab Salman for interpreting our conversation for us. Thanks so much for listening, and to the Arts Council of Ireland for their support.