Inside The Outer Loop

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Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!

18 FEB

A new approach to test data management

Welcome to episode 34 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, the Curiosity team explore a new approach to test data management, one that aligns with the test data needs of large organisations. The conversation begins with Huw and James discussing the challenges organisations face in test data management as they approach 2025. The introduction of AI is seen as a potential solution, but James stresses the importance of a structured approach to test data management through their new framework: Discover, Act, Monitor. Discover Gain full visibility into your application landscape. Understand what data exists, how it’s structured, where it’s located and who uses it for more informed decision-making. Act Intelligently execute on actionable insights gained from the discovery and monitoring phases of your test data journey. Monitor Proactively govern your test data and leverage AI-driven insights, to help you anticipate issues, optimise processes, and ensure compliance across your whole enterprise. This approach describes how organisations can effectively discover their data, act on insights, and continuously monitor changes to maintain data integrity and quality. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about test data delivery, quality, and productivity!

41 min
30/12/2024

Why quality is an end-to-end process with Anand Bagmar

Welcome to episode 33 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Anand Bagmar, a software quality evangelist with 25 years of experience in software testing. Together, they discuss Anand's journey into the testing field, his philosophy of being a 'quality bartender,' and insights from his recent speaking tour. The conversation delves into the challenges of test automation, the importance of shifting left in testing, and the role of AI in the testing landscape. Anand emphasizes the need for testability, the complexities of end-to-end automation, and the importance of having a strong voice in organizations to drive quality improvements. The episode concludes with Anand's advice on adopting practices that work for individual contexts rather than blindly following trends. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!

57 min
19/12/2024

From manual to automation with Jim Hazen

Welcome to episode 32 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Jim Hazen, seasoned test automation architect and quality consultant. Together, they discuss the evolution of testing, the challenges faced in the industry, and the importance of education and critical thinking in testing. Jim shares insights on the misconceptions surrounding automation, the shift towards technical skills, and the impact of AI on testing practices. James and Jim emphasize the need for a mindset change in management regarding the role of testers and the tools they use, advocating for a collaborative approach to testing that values both technical and business perspectives. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!

55 min
04/11/2024

Building tools to solve tester's problems with Sanjay Kumar

Welcome to episode 31 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Sanjay Kumar, Founder & Creator of SelectorsHub. Together, they discuss Sanjay's journey in developing tools for the testing community and his mission to solve quality problems. Sanjay and Rich start the conversation by exploring the challenges in the testing industry, such as the disconnect between managers and practitioners, the resistance to adopting new technologies, and the need for a shift in focus from process to solutions. Sanjay highlights the importance of community feedback, continuous improvement, and the balance between risk and quality in software development. Sanjay Kumar shifts the conversation towards the challenges and expectations of test automation. James and Rich highlight the importance of having a realistic approach to automation and not expecting it to solve all problems. The team also touched on the misconception that AI can do everything, and the need to use AI in the right context. AI should be used in the right context and not as a replacement for all algorithms and tools. Sanjay emphasized the importance of identifying and solving real problems faced by testers and developers, even without AI. He shared his approach of quickly developing and launching solutions based on user feedback. Sanjay ended the episode by encouraging the testing community to create solutions for the problems they encounter! Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!

48 min
22/10/2024

AI's Role in The Future of Software Delivery with Sergio Freire

Welcome to episode 30 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Sergio Freire, Director of Solution Architecture, Test Management at Xray and TestRail. Together, they discuss the future of testing, software delivery and the impact of artificial intelligence. The conversation delves into Sergio's journey into the testing field, the evolution of testing practices, and the cultural challenges organisations face in adopting effective testing strategies. Sergio also shares his insights on balancing automation with exploratory testing and the growing role of AI in enhancing testing processes. James and Sergio emphasise the need for a collaborative culture in software development and the significance of quality engineering as a team effort. The episode highlights that while automation is essential, exploratory testing, intuition, and human experience remain invaluable in assessing risks and driving continuous improvement in testing practices. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!

49 min
07/10/2024

The Role of Technology in Banking with Felipe Fabricio

Welcome to episode 29 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and Ben Riley are joined by special guest Felipe Fabricio, Software Engineer & Global Young Leader at Santander. Together, they discuss the challenges of implementing change in large financial service organisations and the need for careful planning and communication. The episode starts with Felipe sharing his journey from wanting to study agronomy to becoming a software engineer, his experiences working in the UAT environment, and the challenges of implementing change in a large financial services organisation. Rich and Felipe also explore the differences between the Brazilian and UK financial services markets, the need for speed and control in software development, and the shift from a project-led to a product-led approach. Felipe discusses the importance of technology in the banking industry and Santander's focus on global initiatives to simplify and improve their products. The team also talks about the centralisation of quality processes and the use of data to measure and improve software quality. Felipe shares examples of simplification efforts, such as reducing the number of connections to the mainframe and automating data generation. He emphasizes the need for effective communication and the ability to convince others in order to drive change. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!

46 min
23/09/2024

Artificial Intelligence & Testing with Daniel Nilsson

Welcome to episode 28 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Daniel Nilsson, Co-Founder & Managing Director of Test Scouts. Together, they discuss AI and testing, focusing on how testers can improve the quality of AI systems and the tools that can enable them to do so. Rich and Daniel start the conversation by discussing the challenges of testing autonomous vehicles and the need for trust in AI. The team discuss the importance of quality in safety-critical systems and the need for evidence and structure in the development and testing process. Daniel highlights the potential for cross-pollination between the embedded systems and application worlds. The conversation also covers the topic of continuous learning and the culture of curiosity within organizations. James and Daniel share their experiences with mentorship, internal conferences, and weekly learning challenges to foster a culture of continuous learning. They emphasize the importance of leaders living the values they want to cultivate and encouraging small steps towards improvement. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!

42 min
09/09/2024

The Evolution of Quality Engineering with Phil Royston

Welcome to episode 27 of Inside The Outer Loop. In this episode, Rich Jordan and James Walker are joined by special guest Phil Royston, CEO & Founder of Tesena. Together, they discuss the evolution of quality engineering as a role and why continuous improvement is essential in the software testing industry. Phil Royston starts the conversation by sharing his journey into the testing and quality industry. He emphasizes the importance of mindset change and the shift from a tester-centric approach to a cross-functional, collaborative approach for quality engineering. The conversation explores the challenges of breaking down silos and the need for continuous improvement in the software testing industry. James and Rich explore the importance of soft skills in DevOps and testing, and the role of experts in teams. They also delve into the challenges faced by leaders and managers in quality engineering and the transition to non-hierarchical teams. Phil also brings up the concept of self-organisation, and the impact of culture on team dynamics. The conversation concludes with advice for newcomers in the industry starting their quality engineering journey. Listen to the full episode to learn more! Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!

48 min

Inside the outer loop – brought to you by the Curiosity Software team! Together with industry leaders and experts, we uncover actionable strategies to navigate the outer loop of software delivery, streamline test data management, and elevate software quality. Tune in to transform the way you think about software delivery, quality, and productivity!

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Curiosity Software
Years Active

2023 - 2025
Episodes

34
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Clean
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