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Murderers. Fraudsters. Internet trolls. This is a podcast about people who do terrible things, and the science of humanity’s dark side.

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Murderers. Fraudsters. Internet trolls. This is a podcast about people who do terrible things, and the science of humanity’s dark side.

    72. Gamergate: What is doxxing?

    72. Gamergate: What is doxxing?

    In 2014 the ex-partner of video game maker Zoe Quinn released an online essay with intimate details of their relationship and breakup. The story takes on a life of its own when internet trolls start referencing it in misogynistic conspiracy theories posted on online forums. Soon Quinn is bombarded with serious threats of real world violence. When details of where she lives circulate, she flees her home.

    Quinn was only the beginning as the harassments spread to others who were advocating for an inclusive gaming industry.

    On this episode of Bad People, Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen share their own experience of having an online presence and discuss what online harassment really is and who is behind it. Whose responsibility is it to make the online World safe?

    The episode contains audio from BBC News.

    Warning: This episode contains descriptions of terrorism, threats of sexual violence and online abuse.

    CREDITS

    Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen
    Producer: Louisa Field
    Editor: Anna Lacey and Rami Tzabar
    Music: Matt Chandler
    The Open University: Dr Sarah Laurence and Dr Ailsa Strathie
    Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins
    Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland

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    Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

    • 36 min
    71. The Oversteegen Sisters: Is it ever OK to kill?

    71. The Oversteegen Sisters: Is it ever OK to kill?

    During the German occupation of the Netherlands two shy teenagers, Truus and Freddie Oversteegen, were recruited into the Dutch Resistance. They quickly went from circulating illegal newspapers to seducing Nazis and German collaborators in bars before luring them into the woods…

    In this episode of Bad People, recorded live at the Edinburgh Fringe, Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen tackle ethical questions: When should children be allowed to take part in war and under what circumstances? And is killing ever justified?

    This episode contains audio from BBC Reel.

    Warning: This episode contains descriptions of violence, genocide and murder.

    CREDITS

    Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen
    Producer: Louisa Field and Marnie Chesterton
    Assistant Producer: Kate White
    Editor: Erika Wright and Anna Lacey
    Music: Matt Chandler
    Academic Consultants for The Open University: Dr Sarah Laurence and Dr Ailsa Strathie.
    Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins
    Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland
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    Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

    • 42 min
    70. Pharma Bro 2: Why do we hate?

    70. Pharma Bro 2: Why do we hate?

    In September 2015, Martin Shkreli quickly became ‘the most hated man in America’ after he raised the price of the life-saving drug, Daraprim, by more than 4,000% - almost overnight.

    Instead of apologising or hiding away, Shkreli decided to lean into his villain image, with even more media appearances and antagonising acts. In an interview with The Hustle magazine, Shkreli was quoted as saying: “People want a villain,” “If people derive some psychological benefit from that, then I don’t want to deprive them of it. I’ll be your villain.”

    Shkreli lied with regularity, harassed female journalists and even took on the Wu-Tang Clan. At his securities fraud trial almost 200 jurors were ‘excused’ during jury selection because as one juror said: “The only thing I’d be impartial about is what prison this guy goes to.”

    In part two, Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen discuss the latest research on ‘hate’. Why do we hate? Whom do we hate? And can one love to be hated? They also talk about jury selection and whether it is ever possible to have a completely unbiased jury.



    CREDITS
    Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen
    Producer: Simona Rata
    Music: Matt Chandler
    Editor: Anna Lacey
    #BadPeople_BBC
    Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland
    Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins
    Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

    • 32 min
    69. Pharma Bro 1: Is greed inherently bad?

    69. Pharma Bro 1: Is greed inherently bad?

    In September 2015, Martin Shkreli’s name made headlines. He quickly became ‘the most hated man in America’ after he raised the price of the life-saving drug, Daraprim, by more than 4,000% - almost overnight.

    He was vilified by the press and the public alike and was often referred to as ‘pharma bro’, a representation of everything that was seemingly wrong with Big Pharma. Was Martin Shkreli unfairly singled out? How was any of it legal? And is ruthlessness in business justified?

    This is part one of two. On this episode of Bad People Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen discuss greed and whether it’s inherently bad.
    This episode includes audio from the 2021 documentary ‘Pharma Bro’ by Blumhouse Productions, directed by Brent Hodge.

    CREDITS
    Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen
    Producer: Simona Rata
    Music: Matt Chandler
    Editor: Anna Lacey
    #BadPeople_BBC
    Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland
    Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins
    Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

    • 37 min
    68. The Letterman: When does dark humour go too far?

    68. The Letterman: When does dark humour go too far?

    During an operation in 2013 a nurse sends the surgeon, Dr Simon Bramhall, a sharp look. He shrugs it off and tells her “this is what I do” and continues to burn his initials into the patient's newly transplanted liver. Later, Dr Bramhall argues that dark humour is a way to take the pressure off when working in a high-pressure hospital job.

    On this episode of Bad People, Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen discuss the nature of dark humour and how an unusual crime was eventually prosecuted. Where should we draw the line between “funny” and “harmful”? And was Dr Bramhall’s explanation plausible?


    CREDITS

    Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen
    Producer: Louisa Field
    Editor: Erika Wright
    Music: Matt Chandler
    The Open University: Dr Sarah Laurence and Dr Ailsa Strathie
    Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins
    Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland

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    Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

    • 35 min
    67. Gangster: Career Criminals

    67. Gangster: Career Criminals

    If you‘ve already made millions and you know you’re being watched, why keep offending?

    Curtis Warren was one of Britain’s wealthiest drug barons, who had a remarkable journey from the streets of Liverpool to the summit of the international cocaine trade. He was the first person to trade directly with the notorious Cali Cartel in South America, and the courts eventually asked him to pay back an incredible £198 million.

    Yet Curtis Warren has spent the majority of his adult life behind bars, unable to enjoy his ill-gotten gains. So if you’ve already made a fortune from crime, and you know the authorities are on to you, what keeps you going back for more? Why wouldn’t you just lie low and enjoy spending your money? Is it a career, a habit, an addiction, or something else?

    On this episode of Bad People Dr Julia Shaw is joined by Livvy Haydock from the podcast ‘Gangster’, which tells the story of Curtis Warren from the streets of Toxteth in the 1980s to becoming Interpol’s ‘Target One’.

    This episode contains clips from the BBC Radio Five Live podcast Gangster: The Story of Curtis Warren.

    CREDITS
    Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Livvy Haydock
    Producer: Ben Motley
    Editor: Anna Lacey
    Music: Matt Chandler
    Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins
    Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland
    #BadPeople_BBC

    Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

    • 31 min

Customer Reviews

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755 Ratings

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Such a Great Show with two Awesome People

Big True Crime fan and only just discovered your podcast. So happy I did and I have binged it over the last few weeks. Both of your perspectives are so interesting and the empathy you show for all sides is so inspiring. Never align fully because the biggest thing about the show is how you both have contrasting views, but it never becomes an argument, there’s so much respect between both of you, it’s an absolute joy to listen to. Also not angry about having discovered both of you as people, celebrities, human beings. Keep being your awesome selves ❤️

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nlpls10 ,

Okay but forgettable

The scientist in this program is brilliant and funnier then the comedian. Lots of other podcast take this dynamic of expert and comedian and work much better, maybe it is the subject matter is just a but grim for it to be funny. It is interesting how the scientist very kindly challenges the comedian beliefs with fact, but is done is a really supportive, non-judgemental way; this is a great skill. Although, I do like that the comedian stands their ground.

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