Fintech Garden Podcast

Fintech Garden

Welcome to the Fintech Garden Podcast—conversations with founders, investors, and industry experts shaping the future of financial technology. Explore emerging trends, practical insights, and the ideas transforming finance. Discover more fintech insights, events, and resources at https://fintech.garden

  1. 6 days ago

    AI vs AI: the race with no finish line, with Eleftherios Jerry Floros | FG Podcast 164

    Meet Eleftherios "Jerry" Floros — author, keynote speaker, and one of the more independent voices in the current AI debate. Jerry is a contributing author of the bestselling FINTECH Book Series published by Wiley — The WealthTech Book, The PayTech Book, The LegalTech Book, and The AI Book — and is currently writing his third solo book, AI Sucker Punch: It's Going To Hit You Harder and Faster and Sooner Than You Think. He is a lecturer at the FinTech Circle Institute, and a member of the British Blockchain Association, Crypto Valley Association, Global Tech Advocates, Tech London Advocates, and the Institute of Directors. Across more than three decades in finance, engineering, and maritime industries — and now sitting at the intersection of AI, blockchain, and financial technology — Jerry has become one of the most-followed independent commentators on where AI is actually heading, and one of the few willing to push back on both the abundance narrative and the doom narrative in equal measure. In this episode, Jerry walks through the economics of AI (why for every $1 OpenAI and Anthropic take in, they spend roughly $1.50 producing it), the bubble that is now forming and the bust that follows, the concentration of power around a handful of billionaires deciding the future for 8 billion people, the physical constraints (energy, water, cooling) that half of new data centre projects have already run into, Europe's move toward sovereign AI, the MAD-style regulatory framework that Jerry argues we now urgently need, and the human cost that is already visible in tech layoffs and student job prospects. Subscribe to the Fintech Garden Newsletter 👉 https://fintech.garden Timestamps: 01:20 – What is AI, actually? Jerry's working definition 02:30 – The data problem: cameras on foreheads, synthetic data, and 80% of code written by AI 04:30 – IQ scaling: models at 114–150 now, and where this goes 05:30 – The bandwidth bottleneck: humans can't keep up with the tokens per second 06:00 – What AI should be used for: nuclear fusion, AlphaFold, Alzheimer's, cancer 08:25 – Defining "humane tech" and what it means in practice 09:00 – 8 billionaires deciding the fate of 8 billion people 10:00 – DeepMind and AlphaFold: the open-sourced Nobel Prize 12:00 – The AI realist position: neither abundance nor doom 13:30 – Will capitalism cap the data centres? 18:00 – The bubble, the bust, and who survives 20:00 – Why we need MAD-style AI regulation 22:00 – Europe's move toward sovereign AI 24:00 – The Anthropic responsible-scaling moment 25:00 – The generational close: what future are we giving our children? 27:00 – The 142,000 tech layoffs and the mental wellbeing crisis The Fintech Garden is hosted by Igor Tomych, founder and CEO of DashDevs, and Dumitru Condrea, founder of Novafin. All conversations revolve around the world of fintech, movers and shakers, and how decisions are made. Make sure to tune in to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to how the world of finance is evolving before our eyes. Follow us: https://fintech.gardenCheck out DashDevs: https://dashdevs.comCheck out Novafin: https://novafin.co/ Connect with our hostsIgor Tomych https://www.linkedin.com/in/igortomych/Dumitru Condrea https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcondrea/

    AI vs AI: the race with no finish line, with Eleftherios Jerry Floros | FG Podcast 164
  2. 14 Jul

    Why fintech keeps missing first-generation Americans, with Kristy Kim, TomoCredit | FG Podcast 163

    Meet Kristy Kim, CEO and co-founder of TomoCredit — the San Francisco-based fintech she started in 2018 to solve a problem she lived through herself. Kristy immigrated from Seoul, South Korea to the United States at age 11. She studied at UC Berkeley, went into investment banking in San Francisco, and — despite doing everything the American dream playbook prescribed — was repeatedly rejected for an apartment, and then for a car loan. Not because she couldn't afford it, but because she had no credit history in a system that only understands borrowing, not saving. TomoCredit was built to serve the roughly 30 million Americans in the same position. The company has since evolved from a credit card for the credit-invisible into a broader AI-powered financial wellness platform, most recently launching TomoIQ — an AI agent that shifts personal finance from reactive management to proactive guidance. Kristy is a Forbes Finance Council member, a UC Berkeley guest lecturer on entrepreneurship, and one of the more compelling founders in immigrant-focused fintech today. In this episode, Igor Tomych and Kristy dig into what fintech gets wrong about first-generation Americans, why "cash rich, credit poor" is a positioning statement rather than a diagnosis, how save-first cultures collide with a borrow-first system, and where cash-flow underwriting actually goes over the next three years. Kristy also shares her operational take on the regulatory line between AI-driven coaching and AI-driven decisioning, why the US fragmentation that everyone complains about is actually a gift to startups, and the closing line that has become an internal mantra at TomoCredit: "I don't have to outsmart Jamie Dimon at everything — just at this." Subscribe to the Fintech Garden Newsletter 👉 https://fintech.garden TomoCredit: Rejected for Credit, So She Built Her Own, with Kristy Kim | FG x Money20/20: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX-WXEpChS4 Timestamps: 01:00 – Why we're talking about immigrant fintech 03:29 – Why the US credit system is uniquely tough on newcomers 04:04 – The changing customer: cash-rich, credit-poor 06:07 – Cultural context: save-first cultures meet a borrow-first system 06:51 – "Cash rich, credit poor" as product positioning 09:18 – Coming in as an outsider — the mindset that helped 11:56 – AI as coaching, not decisioning: the regulatory line 14:36 – Expat, immigrant, native: three profiles, three different products 16:55 – Why two customers with the same credit score are not the same customer 17:50 – Cash flow underwriting hits the mainstream — no more hard-selling banks 19:53 – The immigrant-focused fintech wave and what changes in the next 2–3 years 22:33 – Fragmented US market vs super-app Korea: which is better for founders? 24:43 – Focus, not scale: the closing takeaway 25:04 – The Jamie Dimon line: specialists beat generalists The Fintech Garden is hosted by Igor Tomych, founder and CEO of DashDevs, and Dumitru Condrea, founder of Novafin. All conversations revolve around the world of fintech, movers and shakers, and how decisions are made. Make sure to tune in to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to how the world of finance is evolving before our eyes. Follow us: https://fintech.garden Check out DashDevs: https://dashdevs.com Connect with our hosts Igor Tomych https://www.linkedin.com/in/igortomych/ Dumitru Condrea https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcondrea/ Subscribe to our newsletter: https://fintech.garden

    Why fintech keeps missing first-generation Americans, with Kristy Kim, TomoCredit | FG Podcast 163
  3. 7 Jul

    Why BlackRock actually cares about stablecoins, with David Birch | FG Podcast 162

    Meet David G.W. Birch — Principal at his advisory firm 15Mb Ltd., Global Ambassador for Consult Hyperion (the secure electronic transactions consultancy he helped co-found nearly 40 years ago), Non-Executive Chairman of Digiseq, Senior Research Fellow at King's College Business School in London, Visiting Professor at the University of Surrey Business School, and Technology Fellow at the Centre for the Study of Financial Innovation. David is one of the most established commentators on digital money and digital identity globally — author of Identity Is The New Money, Before Babylon Beyond Bitcoin, The Currency Cold War, Digital Money: A Practitioner's Guide, and most recently The Everything Token: How NFTs and Web3 Will Transform the Way We Buy, Sell, and Create. He has written 100+ columns for The Guardian and has been named one of the top 10 most influential voices in banking by Financial Brand, one of Europe's "Power 50" in digital financial services, and Europe's most influential commentator on emerging payments by Total Payments magazine. In this episode, David and Igor take a step back from the noise around stablecoins to ask what is actually happening. The conversation opens with a striking historical parallel — England's industrial revolution had stablecoins too, made of copper — and unfolds into the deeper strategic point that most of the industry is missing: BlackRock and the big institutional players are not in stablecoins for the payments. They are in for the 80% cost reduction hiding in the pathfinder to digital assets. David also walks through why AI, not humans, will likely be the dominant user of stablecoins, why the "next generation financial market infrastructure" the BIS is describing still has a missing digital identity layer, and why — over a longer horizon — money as we know it may simply disappear, replaced by continuous exchange of digital assets. Subscribe to the Fintech Garden Newsletter 👉 https://fintech.garden David Birch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dgwbirch/ Bringing Stablecoins to Everyday Users, with Giovanni Sanna, Kleos | FG x Money20/20: https://youtu.be/3INUxVsjVhg OpenPayd: Why Stablecoins Won't Beat Fiat — They'll Marry It, with Barry O'Sullivan |FG x Money20/20: https://youtu.be/5nGdUFxP8ZQ Stablecoins as the New Dollar Hegemony, and Where Europe Fits, with Marieke Flament |FG x Money20/20: https://youtu.be/9xQe_gSEkAM Timestamps: 01:06 – Historical parallel: England's industrial revolution had stablecoins too 04:07 – The pattern: private tokens → state takeover → the institutions stay 05:53 – The trigger for stablecoins: money that works with new technology 07:45 – Cryptocurrency demand was proxy demand for dollars 08:15 – AI as the dominant future users of stablecoins 10:25 – The AI abstraction layer: users won't care about chains 12:35 – Regulatory fragmentation: US vs UK vs EU 15:41 – AI redefines what interoperability means 18:59 – Why banks were slow on blockchain 19:30 – Swift vs stablecoin: the architectural difference 20:33 – Why BlackRock is really interested... 23:03 – The trust layer vs the execution layer 24:17 – Banks are regulated institutions — cautious for a reason 25:54 – The 5-year view: financial services vanish behind bots 29:38 – What David wants listeners to think about 30:30 – NFTs come back with real utility The Fintech Garden is hosted by Igor Tomych, founder and CEO of DashDevs, and Dumitru Condrea, founder of Novafin. All conversations revolve around the world of fintech, movers and shakers, and how decisions are made. Make sure to tune in to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to how the world of finance is evolving before our eyes. Follow us: https://fintech.garden Check out DashDevs: https://dashdevs.com Connect with our hosts Igor Tomych https://www.linkedin.com/in/igortomych/ Dumitru Condrea https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcondrea/

    Why BlackRock actually cares about stablecoins, with David Birch | FG Podcast 162
  4. 30 Jun

    Fintech communities are broken — here's the fix, with Stavros Psyllos | Fintech Garden Podcast 161

    Meet Stavros Psyllos — VP of Enterprise Solutions at OpenPayd, the London-based embedded finance and Banking-as-a-Service infrastructure provider, and Founder and Chairman of the Cyprus Fintech Society. Stavros brings more than 15 years of payments leadership across the European ecosystem, with senior roles at Cryptopay, Ebury, Verv (Novatti Group), and as the founder of Neogate, NeoPay, and NeoGroup. He has built one of the most active fintech communities in the Mediterranean region from the ground up — starting with a post-COVID drinks invitation that grew from 10 to 50 to 800 LinkedIn members before being formalised into the Cyprus Fintech Society. He has more than 30,000 followers on LinkedIn and is one of the more recognised voices on community-building in European fintech. In this episode, Igor and Stavros unpack a topic the podcast has not covered before: how fintech ecosystems and communities are actually built, why the traditional association model is broken, and what a data-driven, member-first community looks like in practice. The conversation covers the genesis story of the Cyprus Fintech Society, how vertical committees produce real outcomes, why face-to-face gatherings still matter, and what kind of business cases actually emerge when the right people share a room. Stavros closes with his five-year view on what will drive fintech next — and the answer is not what most of LinkedIn is talking about. Subscribe to the Fintech Garden Newsletter 👉 https://fintech.garden OpenPayd: Why Stablecoins Won't Beat Fiat — They'll Marry It, with Barry O'Sullivan |FG x Money20/20: https://youtu.be/5nGdUFxP8ZQ Timestamps: 00:30 – Defining community: the playground analogy 03:13 – What's broken with traditional fintech associations 05:00 – The data-driven model: ask members what they want 07:30 – Vertical committees and member-driven initiatives 10:20 – AI in the community: committee-driven, not top-down 14:30 – Why face-to-face bonds still produce business outcomes 18:30 – The five-year driver question 19:09 – Differentiate. Don't chase AI. Focus on compliance, blockchain, stablecoins 22:00 – Why most people focus on the wrong aspects of technology 22:30 – Closing: community as expertise, not marketing The Fintech Garden is hosted by Igor Tomych, founder and CEO of DashDevs, and Dumitru Condrea, founder of Novafin. All conversations revolve around the world of fintech, movers and shakers, and how decisions are made. Make sure to tune in to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to how the world of finance is evolving before our eyes. Follow us: https://fintech.garden Check out DashDevs: https://dashdevs.com Connect with our hosts Igor Tomych https://www.linkedin.com/in/igortomych/ Dumitru Condrea https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcondrea/ Subscribe to our newsletter: https://fintech.garden

    Fintech communities are broken — here's the fix, with Stavros Psyllos | Fintech Garden Podcast 161
  5. 23 Jun

    What MENA gets right about open finance, with Dr. Samer Soliman | FG Podcast 160

    Meet Dr. Samer Soliman, Group CEO of Arab Financial Services (AFS) — Bahrain's largest digital payments and fintech enabler, regulated by the Central Bank of Bahrain, owned by 37 banks and financial institutions, and serving more than 70 clients across over 20 countries in the Middle East and Africa. He joined AFS as CEO in January 2021 after serving as Managing Director for the Middle East at Network International. He brings more than 25 years of international experience across banking and payments, and currently sits on the boards of Diners Club Egypt and Levant, AUB Acquiring, and the advisory board of UnionPay International, representing the Middle East. In this episode, Dr. Samer walks host Igor Tomych through what is actually happening with open banking and open finance across the MENA region — where adoption is driven by the regulator rather than the market, why the UAE Open Finance License is reshaping the competitive landscape, and what the Uber-equivalent moment looks like for financial services. The conversation covers the three near-term commercial use cases (payment initiation, credit scoring, financial planning), the structural problem of "garbage in, garbage out" in open banking data, the layered infrastructure dominance argument (Google, Apple, Musk/Starlink) applied to financial services, and what the marriage of AI and open finance actually unlocks. Dr. Samer Soliman also shares concrete advice on how fintechs should position themselves relative to incumbents — drawn from his own decision to build AFS's open finance platform now, even before it is profitable. Subscribe to the Fintech Garden Newsletter 👉 https://fintech.garden Timestamps: 01:00 – Open finance in MENA — UAE, Bahrain, and the regulator-led model 03:00 – Open finance vs open banking — and why scope matters 05:28 – Three near-term use cases: payment initiation, credit scoring, financial planning 08:20 – Who owns the customer in an open finance world? 10:30 – From custodial bank to financial services vendor 14:30 – Launching the UAE's first digital bank — "my bank" in the early 2000s 17:00 – Resistance from incumbents, and the value of regulator deadlines 20:13 – AI + open finance: when you marry them, "boom" 25:00 – Whoever knows the data first wins: the Bezos / Musk infrastructure layer 27:17 – Closing advice for fintechs: collaborate, don't rebuild from scratch The Fintech Garden is hosted by Igor Tomych, founder and CEO of DashDevs, and Dumitru Condrea, founder of Novafin. All conversations revolve around the world of fintech, movers and shakers, and how decisions are made. Make sure to tune in to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to how the world of finance is evolving before our eyes. Follow us: https://fintech.garden Check out DashDevs: https://dashdevs.com Connect with our hosts Igor Tomych https://www.linkedin.com/in/igortomych/ Dumitru Condrea https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcondrea/

    What MENA gets right about open finance, with Dr. Samer Soliman | FG Podcast 160
  6. 16 Jun

    80% of organised crime hides in corporate structures, with Adam McLaughlin | FG Podcast 159

    Meet Adam McLaughlin, Director of Financial Crime Product at Fenergo and one of the most operationally grounded voices in AML and financial crime today. Adam brings nearly twenty years of experience across law enforcement, banking, and compliance technology. He spent close to a decade as a UK police detective, including managing a financial crime investigation team at City of London Police — the UK's national lead force for economic crime — and was an operational member of the UK's Joint Money Laundering Intelligence Taskforce (JMLIT). He went on to lead corporate and institutional banking financial crime compliance in EMEA at JP Morgan, then served as Global Director of Financial Crime Strategy at NICE Actimize before joining Fenergo in late 2025 to lead its financial crime product line. In this episode, host Dumitru Condrea and Adam unpack what has actually changed in AML and financial crime over the last three to four years — and what hasn't. The regulatory frame is moving from "technical compliance" (do you have the systems, are you generating alerts) to "outcome-based" (are you actually stopping crime).Banks are still working through the legacy of siloed KYC systems. Information-sharing legislation is finally moving in Europe, Canada, and the US. Sanctions still matter, but the battleground has shifted to evasion through neutral countries. AI is genuinely useful — but use-case driven, not a silver bullet. And the honest answer to the question "are the good guys winning?" turns out to be: we're holding the line. Adam's view on what the next decade looks like — shared KYC databases, collaborative monitoring, real-time pattern analysis — closes the conversation. Subscribe to the Fintech Garden Newsletter 👉 https://fintech.garden AI agents are changing payment security, with Dr. Ruth Wandhöfer | FG Podcast x MPE 2026: https://youtu.be/8X2D57pAeR4 AI vs Fraud: Inside Device Fingerprinting with Catherine Woneis | Fintech Garden Episode 135: https://youtu.be/TiPQQItHgQk Timestamps: 01:00 – AML compliance over the last 10–15 years 04:00 – Tick-box compliance to outcome-based regulation (FATF) 06:00 – "Do I understand my customer?" — the foundational question 08:58 – The real gap: data, not technology 12:30 – Do we still need a sanctions list? 17:39 – DNFBPs: the professional services network around organised crime 20:46 – The "Escobar Ltd" anecdote 21:00 – Where is AI overhyped? 23:56 – Crypto: easier and harder to investigate at the same time 24:30 – The travel rule problem with decentralised currency 27:33 – The 10-year vision: collaborative, real-time, expensive (for criminals) The Fintech Garden is hosted by Igor Tomych, founder and CEO of DashDevs, and Dumitru Condrea, founder of Novafin. All conversations revolve around the world of fintech, movers and shakers, and how decisions are made. Make sure to tune in to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to how the world of finance is evolving before our eyes Follow us: https://fintech.garden Check out DashDevs: https://dashdevs.com Connect with our hosts and the guest: Igor Tomych https://www.linkedin.com/in/igortomych/ Dumitru Condrea https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcondrea/ Adam McLaughlin https://www.linkedin.com/in/adam-mclaughlin-4a269031/

    80% of organised crime hides in corporate structures, with Adam McLaughlin | FG Podcast 159
  7. 9 Jun

    Are banks becoming irrelevant in the AI era? With Theodora Lau | FG Podcast 158

    Meet Theodora Lau — founder of Unconventional Ventures, author of Banking on (Artificial) Intelligence (2025), co-author of The Metaverse Economy (2023) and Beyond Good (2021), and host of the One Vision podcast. Theo was named one of American Banker's Most Influential Women in FinTech, ranked No. 1 Women in Finance by Onalytica, and is a regular contributor to Forbes, FinTech Futures, BBC News, MIT Tech Review, and Harvard Business Review. Her work focuses on the intersection of financial services, technology, and humanity — particularly inclusion, longevity, and the populations that get left behind when industries restructure. In this episode, Theo and Igor unpack what the AI-native era actually means for digital banks. The conversation moves from Theo's own "iPhone moment" — buying the first-gen iPhone in 2007 and racking up $300 in roaming charges because she couldn't stop checking the weather app — to the harder, present-tense question: banks built their value around being the institution customers turn to.Today, 53% of US consumers consult AI tools for financial advice, and the entire conversation — user to frontier model — happens without the bank in the loop. What does an AI-native bank actually look like, what should banks do in the next two to three years, and what happens to the people the industry leaves behind? Episode with Brett King https://youtu.be/L_ghYX-whCg Customers now have all the tools, with Theodora Lau | FG x Finovate Europe 2026: https://youtu.be/u6EroRKGd1M Timestamps: 00:42 – Topic framing: digital banks in the AI-native era 04:00 – Intent and context: what banks know vs. what they need to know 06:58 – What banks should do in the next two to three years 09:00 – Data strategy, system updates, and organizational change 13:00 – Trust as guardrails: the highway analogy 13:25 – What does an AI-native bank actually look like? 15:00 – Where AI should not replace humans: wealth, credit, regulator-facing decisions 17:00 – The Wells Fargo phone-call culture and the "do I want to talk to a bot?" debate 19:37 – Why people call credit union call centers and it's not for answers 20:30 – The big shift: banks becoming irrelevant in AI conversations 22:00 – Who owns the new "street"? Apple, Anthropic, OpenAI? 23:32 – 53% of US consumers consult AI for financial advice (JD Power) 25:00 – From SEO to GEO: the wild west of AI-native discovery 27:00 – Who's getting left behind? 28:30 – Layoffs, shareholder value, and the human cost The Fintech Garden is hosted by Igor Tomych, founder and CEO of DashDevs, and Dumitru Condrea, founder of Novafin. All conversations revolve around the world of fintech, movers and shakers, and how decisions are made. Make sure to tune in to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to how the world of finance is evolving before our eyes. Follow us: https://fintech.garden Check out DashDevs: https://dashdevs.com Connect with our hosts and guest: Igor Tomych https://www.linkedin.com/in/igortomych/ Dumitru Condrea https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcondrea/ Theodora Lau https://www.linkedin.com/in/theodoralau/

    Are banks becoming irrelevant in the AI era? With Theodora Lau | FG Podcast 158
  8. 2 Jun

    Why your next banker will be an AI, with Brett King | FG Podcast 157

    Meet Brett King — futurist, four-time bestselling author of the Bank series (2.0 through 4.0, with Bank 5.0 coming in November), founder of Moven, and host of Breaking Banks, the longest-running and most-listened-to fintech podcast in the world. Brett was named #1 on Fintech Magazine's Fintech Influencer list this year; Fintech Garden host Igor Tomych came in at #9 on the same list. Brett also co-founded LumaBrush AI, an AI-powered smart toothbrush with an intraoral camera for at-home oral health monitoring, and recently published Branch Today, Gone Tomorrow, a new edition of his thesis on the disappearing bank branch. In this episode, the conversation looks ten years forward. The challenger bank revolution is largely over — the top 20 retail fintechs now have 4.1 billion customers between them, up 200% in five years, while the top 20 traditional retail banks grew just 3% in the same period. The next shift, Brett argues, is bigger: the banking app itself disappears. The primary interface to financial services becomes a personal AI. Products dissolve into contextual utility. Trust migrates from brand to utility. And by the 2040s, the role of money in its current form starts to decline. Timestamps: 01:27 – The challenger bank revolution: 4.1B customers and 200% growth 03:51 – Why digital banks won: CAC under $1, UX, and onboarding in minutes 06:48 – The next interface: your personal AI replaces the banking app 10:18 – Will OpenAI inherit the customer relationship from Apple and Google? 12:14 – Bank 1.0 through 5.0: Brett's framework for banking evolution 15:53 – Will we hit human-level AI in the next ten years? 20:42 – The payments future: real-time rails, stablecoins, and CBDCs 24:17 – Why trust has moved from brand to utility 27:30 – Data control as the next foundational layer 28:57 – Bank 5.0 (November) and LumaBrush AI The Fintech Garden is hosted by Igor Tomych, founder and CEO of DashDevs, and Dumitru Condrea, founder of Novafin. All conversations revolve around the world of fintech, movers and shakers, and how decisions are made. Make sure to tune in to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to how the world of finance is evolving before our eyes. Follow us: https://fintech.garden Check out DashDevs: https://dashdevs.com Connect with our hosts and guest: Igor Tomych https://www.linkedin.com/in/igortomych/ Dumitru Condrea https://www.linkedin.com/in/dcondrea/ Brett King https://www.linkedin.com/in/brettking/

    Why your next banker will be an AI, with Brett King | FG Podcast 157

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Welcome to the Fintech Garden Podcast—conversations with founders, investors, and industry experts shaping the future of financial technology. Explore emerging trends, practical insights, and the ideas transforming finance. Discover more fintech insights, events, and resources at https://fintech.garden