Schurtz and Ties: A podcast about education and culture

Schurtz&Ties

Inspired by the classroom, Kasey Schurtz and Brian T. Miller wrestle with how to become better teachers, leaders, and people. Schurtz and Ties is sponsored by PeerDrivePD.com and is a proud member of the TeachBetter Podcast Network. You can find out more about Brian and Kasey, discover resources, and enjoy more content on their website, SchurtzandTies.com.

  1. 1 Sept

    Episode 143: Get on the Line and Stop Punishing Personalities

    Season five is here. Probably. Kasey and Brian return to discuss what “back to basics” looks like in school leadership. They explore why leaders sometimes need to get on the line with their people, how screens may interfere with learning, why behavior should be treated as something students can be taught, and why educators must stop punishing personalities that do not fit neatly into the classroom. Along the way, they detour through Taco Bell, restorative practices, handwritten notes, principal titles, paddles (not really), and the fine line between helping others and doing everyone else’s job. The big ideas: Leaders build trust by sharing the work, accountability should lead to learning, and every student’s identity needs room to exist in school. Kasey shares what a crowded Taco Bell taught him about leadership: Sometimes leaders have to stop managing from the sidelines and get on the line. Brian explains why his school is going “back to basics,” including more intentional use of technology, direct communication with families, and a renewed focus on relationships. The conversation also examines behavior as instruction. Rather than relying on punishment, rewards, or the latest packaged program, educators must identify the skills students need and intentionally teach, practice, and reinforce them. Brian offers a particularly important challenge: Stop punishing personalities. The qualities that frustrate an adult in one setting may become a student’s greatest strengths when they are understood and refined. Topics include: Getting on the line as a school leaderBuilding credibility and trust by sharing the workKnowing when a leader needs to get off the line and repair the systemReturning to hands-on, paper-and-pencil learningUsing technology to access or communicate information without allowing it to replace learningTreating reading, mathematics, and behavior as equally important areas of instructionAccountability versus punishmentThe limitations of consequences, rewards, and stickersRestorative practices and protecting students from being revictimizedSeparating a student’s behavior from the student’s identityRefusing to punish students simply because their personalities challenge usRebuilding relationships with families through phone calls, face-to-face conversations, and handwritten notesEpisode timestamps: 00:07 – Welcome back and the beginning of season five01:15 – Kasey’s new role and why leaders must “get on the line”05:52 – Sharing the work to build relationships and trust08:53 – Brian’s back-to-basics approach09:23 – Rethinking technology during the learning process12:05 – Screens, distraction, boredom, and student behavior15:20 – Can behavior be taught?17:12 – Accountability, intervention, and behavior as instruction19:39 – Restorative practices: Is the problem the practice or its implementation?24:21 – Returning to the basics of discipline25:00 – Stop punishing personalities28:11 – Leadership, authority, and what staff should call the principal30:20 – Direct communication and reconnecting with families32:20 – Final takeaways33:35 – Getting on the line without staying there foreverKey takeaway: Students should be held accountable for meeting reasonable expectations, but accountability must include instruction. Our job is not to punish away who students are. It is to help them develop the skills to use who they are successfully.

  2. 26 May

    🎙️ Episode 140: Casey Watts on Clarity, Complexity, and the Work That Actually Moves Us Forward

    Why do smart leaders make things more complicated than they need to be? In Episode 140, Kasey and Brian sit down with Casey Watts, author of The Craft of Clarity, for a conversation about leadership, initiative fatigue, and the kind of clarity that goes beyond simply communicating more. Casey reminds us that hard work cannot overcome a lack of clarity. Sometimes the work that creates the most clarity is slower, more reflective, and more uncomfortable than simply adding another program, person, meeting, or initiative. The conversation explores why leaders often solve the wrong problem, why “simple” does not mean “easy,” and why action is sometimes what helps us gain the clarity we keep waiting for. A few big ideas from the episode: ✅ We often complicate problems because we are replicating systems we grew up in.✅ Hard work matters, but it cannot replace clarity.✅ Leaders sometimes “idolize clarity” and wait too long to act.✅ Simple solutions often require deeper thinking, not less thinking.✅ Staff ownership begins by asking better questions and listening without defending.✅ Before launching the next thing, leaders should ask: Do we have to? And yes, there were technical difficulties. A frozen screen. A disappearing guest. Possibly a blown transformer. Maybe someone owes someone coffee. But somehow, the chaos made the clarity even better. This one is for teachers, leaders, instructional coaches, and anyone trying to make meaningful work feel less like “one more thing” and more like the right next thing. #SchurtzAndTies #Episode140 #CaseyWatts #TheCraftOfClarity #EducationalLeadership #InstructionalLeadership #SchoolLeadership #TeacherLeadership #ClarityInEducation #PLC #InstructionalCoaching #LeadershipDevelopment #SchoolImprovement #TeacherClarity #EducationPodcast #EduPodcast #LeadWithClarity #LessButBetter #NotMoreWorkMoreIntentionalWork

  3. 10 May

    Episode 139: Celebrity Principal or Real Principal with Jedd Hefer

    What happens when educational leadership starts looking more like social media performance than authentic service?In this episode of the Schurtz & Ties podcast, Kasey Schurtz and Brian T. Miller are joined once again by educator and consultant Jed Hafer for a candid, funny, and deeply honest conversation about the rise of the “celebrity principal.” Together, they wrestle with an important question:When does sharing great school leadership become more about the leader than the students?The conversation dives into:Greeting students at the doorFilming school interactions for social mediaRemoving students from classroomsDelayed Learning Opportunities (DLOs)Instructional leadership vs. performative leadershipWhy behavior should be taught like academicsThe danger of “easy answers” in school disciplineAuthenticity, vulnerability, and ego in leadershipWhy professional development still mattersThis episode is equal parts reflective, practical, and entertaining, with plenty of moments that educators will immediately recognize from their own schools.Whether you are a principal, teacher, instructional coach, or simply passionate about education, this conversation challenges us to think carefully about what truly helps students and staff grow.🎙️ Schurtz & Ties Podcastwww.schurtzandties.com📚 Learn more about behavior and instructional systems athttps://www.behavioralleadership.com/#education #schoolleadership #principal #teachers #behavior #classroommanagement #instructionalleadership #educationpodcast #edchat #teacherlife #schoolculture #leadership #DLO #studentbehavior #professionaldevelopment #SchurtzAndTies #ErvinEducation

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Inspired by the classroom, Kasey Schurtz and Brian T. Miller wrestle with how to become better teachers, leaders, and people. Schurtz and Ties is sponsored by PeerDrivePD.com and is a proud member of the TeachBetter Podcast Network. You can find out more about Brian and Kasey, discover resources, and enjoy more content on their website, SchurtzandTies.com.